Regarding Nightblade and Stealth

Vizjerie · April 2014

Does anyone know if Shadowy Disguise breaks if another ability is used? As I am wondering if within 2.5 seconds a nightblade can Teleport strike to a target AND veiled strike, gaining the 4 second stun bonus. any ideas?

Galeon · April 2014

It breaks if you use teleport strike, I am not sure if it breaks on stuff like haste.
I usually prefer to use conceiled weapon (veiled strike move) over teleport strike as it hits for 200+ more damage (VR2).

merfpmerfinton · April 2014

Any action will break invis., even swapping weapons.

Xaei · April 2014

Is there actually really a point to using shadow cloak in PvE?

It doesnt work very well as a disengage and it doesn't seem to reset aggro either so I don't really find it useful for healing (at least so far).

The crit chance is nice but I'm not sure it's worth using so mich mana just to force crit a single attack.

The only thing I've found it useful for so far is to set up a veiled strike and to get extra armor through that armor out of stealth passive. Not worth a place on my bar just for that.

zamiel · April 2014

Xaei wrote: »

Is there actually really a point to using shadow cloak in PvE?

It's a great breakoff. It's not a one button instawin mind you, to be honest if you think that by pressing a button you should shed all aggro and be free to do whatever you want you are mistaken, that would break the game.
Just put it on and recast it before it runs out, it will shed aggro eventually that way.

Driften · April 2014

Xaei wrote: »
Is there actually really a point to using shadow cloak in PvE?

Also if you have the one perk (think it is shadow barrier or something) when you come back out of the stealth you gain armor and spell resistance for 4 seconds. Combined this with the low level armor 3 piece set that gives you 40% health regen while in stealth and a pre siphon attack you can use it to get yourself out of a jam. Least enough recovery to turn the tides. Saved me a couple of times in 3+ group mobs.

Rilyharytoze · April 2014

Shadow Cloak is great for pve..using that makes the enemy just sit there like a moron and tie that with siphoning strikes (leeching strikes) i can take on just about anything and not have to worry about my resources or health..mind you most of my damage will be basic weapon attacks but that can vary depending on the rest of the build

drakuel1ub17_ESO · April 2014

Shadow cloak probably one of the few skills actually working for the NB at the moment. God forbid this skill stops firing or not working as intended like so many of our skills.

I use it in PVE , since it is a reliable skill I can trust at the moment. If used properly it can be a very effective skill.

Galeon · April 2014

Also Shadow Cloak works very well with Veiled Strikes to set the enemy off balance.

Drathmar · April 2014

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shadow cloak probably one of the few skills actually working for the NB at the moment. God forbid this skill stops firing or not working as intended like so many of our skills.

I use it in PVE , since it is a reliable skill I can trust at the moment. If used properly it can be a very effective skill.

Really, one of the few?

Killers Blade/Impale: Works
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Works (in my experience, never had it not teleport)
Blur: Works (haven't tried the morphs yet)
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: Works
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Works
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: Works
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: Works
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: Works
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Works
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: Works
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: Works
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: Works
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: Works

So, again, most aren't working? Even not counting Lotus Fan/Ambus since people have said it does not work, most of our skills do work. It just seems to be the assassin line that is messed up. Which is a problem. But don't go saying "one of the few skills actually working" when a majority of our skills work we just have more that don't than most classes. Which is again a problem but not to the point you make it out to be

Shazarak · April 2014

Shadow Cloak is perfect in PVE and DEADLY in PVP.

PVE
- Use it to take time (2,5s stealth means 2,5s Health Regene without being hit)
- Morph it so you can remove 1-2-3-4 DoT (this is the basic because if you have 1 DoT on you the stealth will desappear immediatly)
- Use the passive that grants you 6s of Stamina Regene after using a Shadow ability
- Combined with Viled Strike you can stun a target, do great damage (if Veiled Strike is morphed correctly you can use it to move away and take advantage of distance from your target)

I really don't understand what do you need more and why are you saying that is useless in PVE

Drathmar · April 2014

Shazarak wrote: »

Shadow Cloak is perfect in PVE and DEADLY in PVP.

PVE
- Use it to take time (2,5s stealth means 2,5s Health Regene without being hit)
- Morph it so you can remove 1-2-3-4 DoT (this is the basic because if you have 1 DoT on you the stealth will desappear immediatly)
- Use the passive that grants you 6s of Stamina Regene after using a Shadow ability
- Combined with Viled Strike you can stun a target, do great damage (if Veiled Strike is morphed correctly you can use it to move away and take advantage of distance from your target)

I really don't understand what do you need more and why are you saying that is useless in PVE

Because of the fact that it has a huge cost and that you get a lot more damage from a normal stealth attack rather than an attack from invisibility.

GreasedLizard · April 2014

Yep, there seems to be some discrepancy between bonuses to invis and stealth. Hell invis should get all+ ... its all our class has as a defining feature, and so much else lacking in return

Staal · April 2014

There's a lot of good reasons as to why I use it.
Pop it and go behind to veiled strike for a new stun, this is awesome for stun locking creatures.
Use it to break a spell being cast on me, if a mob or a player is casting a spell and you use it even while the spell is in flight, it won't hit you.
I morphed mine for crit, but I am still contemplating changing it to removing debuffs, but I use it constantly

Drathmar · April 2014

GreasedLizard wrote: »

Yep, there seems to be some discrepancy between bonuses to invis and stealth. Hell invis should get all+ ... its all our class has as a defining feature, and so much else lacking in return

I kinda agree but also see why it doesn't. Because of the fact that you can go invis and combat (but can't stealth in combat) if invis got the same damage bonus as normal stealth it would be insane and you would literally needs only 2 buttons on your bar. Shadow Disguise and attack of choice.

Phaeze · April 2014

In PvE, I like to make use of this in order to set up a concealed strike. Not only does it bolster my defenses in the process, but it allows me to stun and deal massive damage to the target. I exploit and drop them, rendering them relatively useless. It's especially useful when I'm dealing with groups of mobs by myself, as I get a short respite to not get hit and also provides me with the ability to drop several as necessary. I tend to swap to my other dual blade skill bar with siphoning strikes if I need to fight out a particularly long battle.

xryanvb16_ESO · April 2014

merfpmerfinton wrote: »

Any action will break invis., even swapping weapons.

I use it all the time, mostly in combination with concealed weapon for stun. But also for the mitigation that passives provide and the dmg bonus you get from stealth passives..... it's also an effective way to pass all mobs in a dungeon and go straight to the boss.

Yelgis · April 2014

Cloak giving the sneak attack bonus would make NB instantly OP. My Concealed Weapon crits for over 1.8k from stealth. Being able to do that mid combat on demand would be insane.

That said Cloak is amazing. The morph to remove dots is your best choice. This skill with full passives gives you a way to in combat remove 4 dots, gain 1750 spell resist and armor for 4 seconds, and gain a 6 second 30% stamina regen bonus. That is pretty good for what it is even if it doesn't allow you to drop all aggro.

In pvp this ability allows you to escape pretty effectively. NB and Sorc are some of the best classes at guerrilla warfare in PVP because of their escape mechanics.

Anoteros · April 2014

Drathmar wrote: »

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shadow cloak probably one of the few skills actually working for the NB at the moment. God forbid this skill stops firing or not working as intended like so many of our skills.

I use it in PVE , since it is a reliable skill I can trust at the moment. If used properly it can be a very effective skill.

Really, one of the few?

Killers Blade/Impale: Works
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Works (in my experience, never had it not teleport)
Blur: Works (haven't tried the morphs yet)
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: Works
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Works
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: Works
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: Works
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: Works
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Works
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: Works
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: Works
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: Works
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: Works

So, again, most aren't working? Even not counting Lotus Fan/Ambus since people have said it does not work, most of our skills do work. It just seems to be the assassin line that is messed up. Which is a problem. But don't go saying "one of the few skills actually working" when a majority of our skills work we just have more that don't than most classes. Which is again a problem but not to the point you make it out to be

Correction:

Killers Blade/Impale: Needs to be spammed most of the time to connect.
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Teleport fires off but nothing happens, often the mobs still aggro. When it does work the stun does not work.
Blur: no idea, don't use.
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works when it feels like. Still get followed around by some mobs.
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: If this is Veiled strike then it too is broken most of the time by not either connecting or by applying no stun at all.
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Horrible skill with terrible duration.
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: don't use.
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: don't use.
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: don't use.
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Healing doesn't tick correctly.
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: don't use.
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: don't use.
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: don't use.
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: don't use.

ConterK · April 2014

Anoteros wrote: »

Drathmar wrote: »

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shadow cloak probably one of the few skills actually working for the NB at the moment. God forbid this skill stops firing or not working as intended like so many of our skills.

I use it in PVE , since it is a reliable skill I can trust at the moment. If used properly it can be a very effective skill.

Really, one of the few?

Killers Blade/Impale: Works
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Works (in my experience, never had it not teleport)
Blur: Works (haven't tried the morphs yet)
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: Works
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Works
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: Works
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: Works
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: Works
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Works
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: Works
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: Works
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: Works
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: Works

So, again, most aren't working? Even not counting Lotus Fan/Ambus since people have said it does not work, most of our skills do work. It just seems to be the assassin line that is messed up. Which is a problem. But don't go saying "one of the few skills actually working" when a majority of our skills work we just have more that don't than most classes. Which is again a problem but not to the point you make it out to be

Correction:

Killers Blade/Impale: Needs to be spammed most of the time to connect.
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Teleport fires off but nothing happens, often the mobs still aggro. When it does work the stun does not work.
Blur: no idea, don't use.
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works when it feels like. Still get followed around by some mobs.
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: If this is Veiled strike then it too is broken most of the time by not either connecting or by applying no stun at all.
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Horrible skill with terrible duration.
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: don't use.
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: don't use.
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: don't use.
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Healing doesn't tick correctly.
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: don't use.
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: don't use.
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: don't use.
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: don't use.

Idk about you, but i never had any problems with the abilities..
lol

Drathmar · April 2014

ConterK wrote: »

Anoteros wrote: »

Drathmar wrote: »

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shadow cloak probably one of the few skills actually working for the NB at the moment. God forbid this skill stops firing or not working as intended like so many of our skills.

I use it in PVE , since it is a reliable skill I can trust at the moment. If used properly it can be a very effective skill.

Really, one of the few?

Killers Blade/Impale: Works
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Works (in my experience, never had it not teleport)
Blur: Works (haven't tried the morphs yet)
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: Works
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Works
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: Works
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: Works
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: Works
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Works
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: Works
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: Works
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: Works
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: Works

So, again, most aren't working? Even not counting Lotus Fan/Ambus since people have said it does not work, most of our skills do work. It just seems to be the assassin line that is messed up. Which is a problem. But don't go saying "one of the few skills actually working" when a majority of our skills work we just have more that don't than most classes. Which is again a problem but not to the point you make it out to be

Correction:

Killers Blade/Impale: Needs to be spammed most of the time to connect.
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Teleport fires off but nothing happens, often the mobs still aggro. When it does work the stun does not work.
Blur: no idea, don't use.
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works when it feels like. Still get followed around by some mobs.
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: If this is Veiled strike then it too is broken most of the time by not either connecting or by applying no stun at all.
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Horrible skill with terrible duration.
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: don't use.
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: don't use.
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: don't use.
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Healing doesn't tick correctly.
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: don't use.
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: don't use.
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: don't use.
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: don't use.

Idk about you, but i never had any problems with the abilities..
lol

I agree, lets see here:

Killing Blade/Impale: ***, I never have to hit more than once if you have to spam that sounds more like a problem with your computer/internet lagging rather than the skill.

Lotus Fan/Ambush: Never had a problem but I have seen a lot of people say this one so I will take the word on that.

Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Again, calling *** on you, never seen anyone else say they don't work and never had them not work for me.

Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: So you give an opinion to make the list longer and try and make it seem worse than it is.

Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Have your allies told you this? Because it is not suppose to tick on yourself at all

The rest you put don't use.

Ya, as I said, NB has the most issues and it seems to be solely with the assassination tree. They needs fixed but it's not as bad as people are saying. People blowing it out of proportion and *** like that is why devs tend to hate responding and reading this kind of stuff because people blow stuff out of proportion, make stuff up to make it seem worse thinking it will get fixed quicker, etc.

drakuel1ub17_ESO · April 2014

Drathmar wrote: »

ConterK wrote: »

Anoteros wrote: »

Drathmar wrote: »

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shadow cloak probably one of the few skills actually working for the NB at the moment. God forbid this skill stops firing or not working as intended like so many of our skills.

I use it in PVE , since it is a reliable skill I can trust at the moment. If used properly it can be a very effective skill.

Really, one of the few?

Killers Blade/Impale: Works
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Works (in my experience, never had it not teleport)
Blur: Works (haven't tried the morphs yet)
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: Works
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Works
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: Works
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: Works
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: Works
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Works
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: Works
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: Works
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: Works
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: Works

So, again, most aren't working? Even not counting Lotus Fan/Ambus since people have said it does not work, most of our skills do work. It just seems to be the assassin line that is messed up. Which is a problem. But don't go saying "one of the few skills actually working" when a majority of our skills work we just have more that don't than most classes. Which is again a problem but not to the point you make it out to be

Correction:

Killers Blade/Impale: Needs to be spammed most of the time to connect.
Lotus Fan/Ambush: Teleport fires off but nothing happens, often the mobs still aggro. When it does work the stun does not work.
Blur: no idea, don't use.
Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Works when it feels like. Still get followed around by some mobs.
Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon: If this is Veiled strike then it too is broken most of the time by not either connecting or by applying no stun at all.
Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: Horrible skill with terrible duration.
Mass Hysteria/Manifestation of Terror: don't use.
Dark Shades/Shadow Image: don't use.
Bolstering Darkness/Veil of Blades: don't use.
Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Healing doesn't tick correctly.
Funnel Health/Swallow Soul: don't use.
Prolonged Suffering/Malefic Wrath: don't use.
Debilitate/Crippling Grasp: don't use.
Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks: Works
Power Extraction/Sap Essence: don't use.

Idk about you, but i never had any problems with the abilities..
lol

I agree, lets see here:

Killing Blade/Impale: ***, I never have to hit more than once if you have to spam that sounds more like a problem with your computer/internet lagging rather than the skill.

Lotus Fan/Ambush: Never had a problem but I have seen a lot of people say this one so I will take the word on that.

Shadow Disguise/Dark Cloak: Again, calling *** on you, never seen anyone else say they don't work and never had them not work for me.

Twisting Path/Refreshing Path: So you give an opinion to make the list longer and try and make it seem worse than it is.

Soul Siphon/Soul Tether: Have your allies told you this? Because it is not suppose to tick on yourself at all

The rest you put don't use.

Ya, as I said, NB has the most issues and it seems to be solely with the assassination tree. They needs fixed but it's not as bad as people are saying. People blowing it out of proportion and *** like that is why devs tend to hate responding and reading this kind of stuff because people blow stuff out of proportion, make stuff up to make it seem worse thinking it will get fixed quicker, etc.

I see your list of working skills shrinking as we speak.. Here are some more, but there are even more evidence posts that show other skills/passives not doing what they are "described" to do.

1)Mark Target - The armor penetration does not work. I have tested it in PvP as well as PvE.

2)Haste - The speed increase does not work with bow.

3)Pressure Points - This passive does not seem to be doing anything.

4)Shadow Cloak - You are very often instantly removed from invisibility. This happens both in PvP and PvE.

5)Veiled Strike: Concealed Weapon - The 25% stealth movement speed passive is not working.

6)Cripple - The siphoning of movement speed is not working. The target does not loose run speed, and you do not gain any run speed.

7)Siphoning Strikes - This skill is healing less than 4% per attack.

I could go on but why? the point is there is enough broken with this class to warrant the thread and many other threads and my post.. I care less if you agree or not that is your right..

Najarati · April 2014

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

6)Cripple - The siphoning of movement speed is not working. The target does not loose run speed, and you do not gain any run speed.

The sad part is the speed siphoning portion used to work in beta at one point. From what I can tell, it stopped working when ZOS reduced the effect.

MoMoOG · April 2014

Right now Shadow Cloak is the single best ability the Nightblade. So many different uses.

Yelgis · April 2014

drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »

I see your list of working skills shrinking as we speak.. Here are some more, but there are even more evidence posts that show other skills/passives not doing what they are "described" to do.

1)Mark Target - The armor penetration does not work. I have tested it in PvP as well as PvE.

2)Haste - The speed increase does not work with bow.

3)Pressure Points - This passive does not seem to be doing anything.

4)Shadow Cloak - You are very often instantly removed from invisibility. This happens both in PvP and PvE.

5)Veiled Strike: Concealed Weapon - The 25% stealth movement speed passive is not working.

6)Cripple - The siphoning of movement speed is not working. The target does not loose run speed, and you do not gain any run speed.

7)Siphoning Strikes - This skill is healing less than 4% per attack.

I could go on but why? the point is there is enough broken with this class to warrant the thread and many other threads and my post.. I care less if you agree or not that is your right..

1) I have mark an will test this myself. May I ask how you tested it? Ie what skills did you use to test and what mod are you using to show dmg numbers?

2)Haste seems to work with other weapons, but I admit I haven't tested it with a bow. I will get around to it and see for myself.

4)Calling BS on this. Cloak never fails for me unless I take damage after cloaking. This happens when people AOE or you have dots on you (and didn't take Dark Cloak and opted for the crit chance morph instead). If you want dots to stop breaking your invisibility take the Dark Cloak morph.

5)Calling BS on this as well as I have used it since I morphed to it at like level 8 or 9. I have it on one bar and can swap to my other bar and see the change in speed. I also have the shadow dancer set that removes the speed penalty to stealth and I move very very fast in stealth because of this skill and that set.

6)Also works and I have seen the speed buff every time I use it. At least the speed buff portion on myself. I am not 100% certain on the snare on enemies. I will have to use it more and pay more attention. The self speed portion is working for sure though.

7)I don't have the Leeching Strikes morph anymore, but I may go back to it in the future. Will test it again myself, but it seemed to be 4% or roughly so the last time I had it.

I have also had few issues with skills going off improperly. The one that did it the most to me was Death Stroke (it would go off and use ultimate but deal no damage). I use Killer's Blade and Concealed Weapon every single mob I kill and have no issues with them. I also use Ambush (teleport strike morph) in PvP and it rarely fails. The only time I have seen it cast and not port me to a player is when it got hung up on terrain. So sometimes you will do the animation (and even deal the dmg to the enemy you used it on) but not actually move to the target. Doesn't happen often but it seems mostly caused by terrain to me.

I am VR4 btw, so I have been doing this NB thing for a little while and have used every single class skill (all my class lines are maxed at 50). I haven't used every single morph option though, but I am fairly close on that. The class just isn't as broken as you are trying to make it out to be.

Mobius0 · April 2014

He just copied my post at: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79422/comprehensive-list-of-bugged-nb-skills#latest

And I tested all those bugs. The only one in question right now is Mark Target, which people are saying is working now. I'd like to test it tonight, but am having issues with my client since the update.

drakuel1ub17_ESO · April 2014

Mobius0 wrote: »

He just copied my post at: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79422/comprehensive-list-of-bugged-nb-skills#latest

And I tested all those bugs. The only one in question right now is Mark Target, which people are saying is working now. I'd like to test it tonight, but am having issues with my client since the update.

Yes I used your list for I too experienced the same on my avatar, so why retype what is already been listed and tested. There are more I can give on other posts that have been tested by others as well.

The mod is foundry tactical combat and CLS, combat log statistics both of these will get you the numbers for testing..

I am going to run some new tests this weekend, since others are saying they work fine now for them.. I will post my results on your thread since you are keeping a running list that is if your still going to be updating it.

Yelgis · April 2014

Well most of the things you said were broken work for me. The only ones I really have to test are Haste with bows and Mark Target (since I never really paid attention to it).

The other stuff all works for me so not sure why people are saying concealed weapon and such are bugged. They have worked for me since early access started.

Mobius0 · April 2014

Yelgis wrote: »

Well most of the things you said were broken work for me. The only ones I really have to test are Haste with bows and Mark Target (since I never really paid attention to it).

The other stuff all works for me so not sure why people are saying concealed weapon and such are bugged. They have worked for me since early access started.

You have tested them? I stated my method in the other thread. Have you done something similar?

Psychic_Kitty · April 2014

well hmm....it uses most of your mana....does not work with any of the syphon powers(no crit bonus for those sorry) doesn't work with any bow or staff.

You can use it in combat...but you will not stop things from attacking you.....the person who said they use it with syphon strikes has not used syphon strikes along with the shadow stealth power.

You will notice invisibility from potions actually works a little better...and lasts 3 seconds(also doesn't cancel with bows or staff use and you can get the nightblade bonus with those things this way)...the shadow power stealth will last up to 2.8 seconds with the other skills you can get...but breaks to everything.

As I said on another post(maybe not on this games forums)...I think the developers don't really like stealth or invisibility...the fact that it doesn't work for most things...the fact its a super low duration...that fact things detect you through it easily....the fact its mostly a poor buff that all other classes have a much stronger and longer lasting and more powerful buff shows this.
I mean I have a lot more things I can list....but the simple fact they have not and will not do anything to fix these issues....not even when it was brought up in closed beta....shows that they just don't like stealth of any shape or form.

I think they would rather have static things just beat on each other...with no skill or actual entertainment value.

Probably work better on a mobile phone that way as well....which the more I think about it is the plan for this game....the limitations and imposed things are super old school...which is about the only thing a mobile phone can play easily.

Yelgis · April 2014

Cloak never breaks for me unless I get hit by an aoe or am standing in someones Mage Light. I took the morph the removes dots though and it removes 4 of them on activation.

With passives Cloak not only gives me invis and removes 4 dots it also gives me a 6 second stam regen buff and 1750 armor/spell resist when I come out of it. That is a pretty strong skill.

If you took the crit morph, it is probably breaking because you have dots on you. Also if the crit is not working on siphoning abilities, it may be bugged there but remember the only siphoning abilities that can crit are Drain Power and Strife. Cripple can not crit. The crit morph worked for me when I tested it in the pts on Vieled Strike, Killer's Blade, and Teleport Strike and physical weapon skills.

No I have no used a stopwatch to time the speed buff on concealed weapon Mobius. I do have it slotted on one bar and not on another and can be moving in stealth toggling back and forth between the bars and see the difference plainly in speed. I also have Vampire and the Shadow dancer set's so it is more noticeable. Remember base speed is reduced when in stealth and that reduced number is then increased by 25% so the noticeable gain is going to be less than 25%. If you have the shadow dancer set or the vamp passive it removes the base speed penalty of stealth making you move at 100% speed in stealth. Then you get to see the full 25% bonus of concealed weapon.

Once I have enough skill points again I intend to get mark target and haste to test them further.