Stealth

Samadhi

I play a heavy stealth Nightblade with full medium armour as a double bow build Bosmer with Stealthy passive.

I don't have any issue with other classes being able to stealth because I can still do it better than they can.

Also, Mark Target morphed so that I can see people who stealth or go invisible within 60 seconds of being tagged works wonders. I've used it to stealth-hunt other players until the time was best to sneak attack them.

Honfold

While I do not agree with the OP I do have a complaint about stealth that is not NB specific. Is it a bug when you are unable to go back into stealth after combat for a ridiculous amount of time? I'm talking about 1+ minute, it seems to be completely random.

Izzban

From the original post:

Sorien wrote: »

I can't be the only person who thinks that letting classes other than Nightblade being able to stealth in PvP is absolutely moronic. Seriously?

Now:

Sorien wrote: »

I'm not asking for it to be Nightblade only, I'm asking for it to be specced into.

Everyone in this thread seems to want the PVP combat to be a boring invisible sneakfest of ganking by every person that shouldn't be sneaking in your face.

My personal favorite:

Sorien wrote: »

Light armor should give you a slight penalty such as a 15% detection area increase without any passives to counteract it. As for anyone trying to say this idea is stupid, do you really think you wouldn't hear someone shuffling around in a robe?

Have you actually ever worn leather pants or jacket? They are LOUD. Reality is not the place to search for support for nerfs to light armor stealth.

I do not support creating a stealth line that characters must "spec" into to be able to stealth. I think the current system where passives can be purchased to increase the effectiveness of stealth is sufficient.

If you think that the passives are not working properly, or that detection range is not functioning as intended, then a bug report or discussion topic might be in order.

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

If NB is the only class allowed to stealth, then it shdnt be given the flexibility to use staves, 2h, shield, heavy armor, swords or any magic based skills. Sounds like you got the wrong game installed bro

Izzban

Honfold wrote: »

While I do not agree with the OP I do have a complaint about stealth that is not NB specific. Is it a bug when you are unable to go back into stealth after combat for a ridiculous amount of time? I'm talking about 1+ minute, it seems to be completely random.

There is a bug. If you kill a character and that character does not respawn, they lock you out of stealth. Basically, the guy you just killed is keeping you visible for his buddies.

aeroch

Sneak in general is kinda dumb in its current form. 10 people squatting in the road shouldn't be invisible 30, 40, 50 meters away. It's cool that everyone can do it but it shouldn't be so advantageous that everyone does it all the time. LoS needs to play a larger role

Sarius

i d like to see a whole world skill line dedicated to actual sneaking

one point to make u even able to sneak but u should still be seen from far away
the more points u invest the harder it should be to detect you
maybe add even some active abilities like a ambush style attack

the current system with everyone sneaking around is just dumb we have so many skillpoints anyway add more stuff to put them in to make one playstyle more unique to others if u want so

LoPony

I love PvP but that hide mechanic is so bad ( I can’t battle, what I can’t see ) that I almost refused to play PvP in eso.
I have to point on a guy hiding to see him even if he is 5 meters away … ridiculous!

But all that suggested skill-line stuff is useless the mechanic is broken, this wont help.

I suggest:
- Disable use of potions if in hide.
- Hiding should just consume stamina at any time, even if you stand still!
- Then add a passive to NB and/or medium armor that reduces that for them.

Everybody can still hide, but only some can do it on bigger distances and for longer durations.

Grim13

I'd be happy if they just bothered to fix Shadow Cloak in PvP. Half the time I go invisible I'm still visible... to everyone, including NPCs... and it often lasts 0.1 seconds rather than the 2.5 it's supposed to.

Cydone

Grim13 wrote: »

I'd be happy if they just bothered to fix Shadow Cloak in PvP. Half the time I go invisible I'm still visible... to everyone, including NPCs... and it often lasts 0.1 seconds rather than the 2.5 it's supposed to.

This!

The Shadow Cloak ability should be an agro breaker, with a slightly increased magicka cost. The cost of it, right now, is like 338 magicka. If the agro breaker was introduced WITHOUT an increase of magicka cost, you could spam it 4 times as a vet player. People would then be crying about it being as OP as the sorc Bolt ability(not that I think that ability is or isn't OP). With no magicka enchanments and NO attribute points in magicka, I sit at around 1400 magicka as a VR4 NB.

So, I could use it 4 times, in succession, if all I wanted to do was GTFO of a bad situation. Increase the magicka cost of it, make it an instant stealth ability AND agro breaker, that puts you directly into sneak. Now, the cost of the ability is subjective to the level you are. Me, VR4 NB, it's like 338. So, at VR4 NB, with everything I've asked for to be included, the cost should be like 600 magicka. Not quite double, but I also can't spam it either. Just my 2 cents.

CapuchinSeven

Kluzu wrote: »

P.S. Remember, RvR isn't meant to be fair. It's about being creative, that's how you win. If I want fair, I still have GW2's pvp.

Hm, no. RVR is meant to be fair, it's a game there is meant to be balance.

That said as a Nightblade I think all classes should be able to hide, but heavy armour should really have a large impact on it. Speed and detection range should be factors in wearing heavy armour.

That is an issue, that's not right.

Cydone

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kluzu wrote: »

P.S. Remember, RvR isn't meant to be fair. It's about being creative, that's how you win. If I want fair, I still have GW2's pvp.

Hm, no. RVR is meant to be fair, it's a game there is meant to be balance.

That said as a Nightblade I think all classes should be able to hide, but heavy armour should really have a large impact on it. Speed and detection range should be factors in wearing heavy armour.

That is an issue, that's not right.

Even when I go with my stamina build, meaning stamina enchantments on EVERY piece of armor, using heavy armor I run out of stamina FAST while sneaking. It's laughable in comparison to what I get using medium armor. So, no more penalties for wearing a certain armor type, especially considering there are ones in place as it is. If you wear heavy, your stamina and magicka take a hit. If you wear medium, your magicka and health take a hit. If you wear light, your stamina and health take a hit. Regen rates that is. Even with mixing and matching, you become sort of a jack of all trades, but a master at none.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Sorien wrote: »

bantad87 wrote: »

I want to point out that stealth brings a whole new dynamic to the game, allowing for actual ambushes or sneaking behind enemy lines.

If I can use concealment in Afghanistan to set an ambush, and I'm not a ninja, I don't see why stealth should be exclusive to Nightblades. Seriously, stealth, and ambush tactics are a huge part of warfare - and ESO comes closer than any game yet in allowing somewhat modern tactics to exist. Bravo for Zenimax.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to stealth.... I'm just saying that someone in HEAVY ARMOR, and someone in MEDIUM ARMOR with full passives shouldn't be near equal. The person in heavy armor should have heavy penalties.

There should also be other modifiers.

Good lord... Yes stealth is nice, but not the way it's implemented right now.

If you wear medium armor you stealth better then others so idk what you are complaining about.

Aria

Other classes may be able to stealth but they will never be as good as a Nightblade, believe ultimately we have the upper hand here.