Deadly Bash (One handed+Shield) Complety broken!!!!!!!!

Xsorus

bantad87 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

bantad87 wrote: »

You're telling me that bash is better than a skill like..puncture? Which does the same damage, but also lowers the enemies armor (and spell resist) by 40%? Gimme some of what you're smoking.

Puncture in no way does the same damage as Bash

If you like, I'll make a nice video comparing the two, Where you'll see a Crit from Puncture is the equiv of Bash normal hit.

Regardless, my point was that active skills have effects that outstrip pure damage. Low slash = damage reduction, snare, and root
Puncture = enemies armor and spell resist lowered. Also, if you're using bash as opposed to your standard attacks, you will run out of stamina and have nothing to block with or use active abilities with. See how far that gets you in PvP.

See how far its get me in PvP? Quite far....since you'll be long dead before i run out of stamina on a single person.... in fact I don't start running out of stamina till i'm bashing the crap out of the 2nd and 3rd person.

There is also no reason to spam Puncture or Low Slash ever...

Xsorus

Gunsang wrote: »

Use immobilizes, back up, stay mobile, problem solved. They move slower while blocking, even with the added traits.

You're aware you don't have to be blocking to spam bash right?

Inf24

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

You guys should be blind if don't see the skill is extremely OP. Or maybe you are lammers and don't want that Zenimax nerf your "Super Spammable Skill".

Thanks xsorusb14_ESO for the video and support.

Still its nothing really, Templars spear spam anyone ??
God forbid Dragon Knights, Draconic power line has a powerful passive, most of that line is average.

Pfft, lets all be thankful you don't balance games cause you have no clue. If you can't see that a properly built bash build is super op then there is no help for you.

Everyone seems to know it's op but you!

Inf24

crimsonBZD wrote: »

while i was playing after reading this, i thought i'd test it out for myself.

just running around trying to bash everything feels stupid, drains stam, and pretty much leaves me having to play normally after a few seconds.

then again, my points are spent to use stam and mag evenly on my DK, so... maybe if i had everything in stamina I could reasonably use bash as an attack like people are saying, but that would be even worse build.

You gotta you know, build for it. If you run outside and start bashing stuff you will be disappointed. If you have all the glyphs, passives and high weapon damage and crit you will destroy players. DESTROY.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

Inf24 wrote: »

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

You guys should be blind if don't see the skill is extremely OP. Or maybe you are lammers and don't want that Zenimax nerf your "Super Spammable Skill".

Thanks xsorusb14_ESO for the video and support.

Still its nothing really, Templars spear spam anyone ??
God forbid Dragon Knights, Draconic power line has a powerful passive, most of that line is average.

Pfft, lets all be thankful you don't balance games cause you have no clue. If you can't see that a properly built bash build is super op then there is no help for you.

Everyone seems to know it's op but you!

It's one passive ...... lets start looking at sorc before we nerf one passive out of DK
Aedric spear does do far more damage > resource so my point is valid, not sure what your point was supposed to be.

Nothing in the DK trees do anything close to any of their damage, don't give me the "well their a tank class" line. Yes its strong but others have skills that work as good if not better, it maybe be a passive but it uses as much stamina as an attack if not more.

Yes its not slottable but im sure others has damage boosting passives

I'm waiting ...

Oragog

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

Gunsang wrote: »

Use immobilizes, back up, stay mobile, problem solved. They move slower while blocking, even with the added traits.

You're aware you don't have to be blocking to spam bash right?

Then doesn't that negate one of your 'issues' that they are blocking for the damage reduction while being able to spam the bash? It's almost like there are situations that it's usable in certain ways and has disadvantages.

But your the whiner type. So in spite of reasoned people constantly pointing out your logical fallacies, you will never be dissuaded from your opinion because you don't want to listen to any dissenting opinions.

Victt

The only thing OP about DK is Bash.. though I'd be more worried about sorcs atm. They have that awful teleport / stun which they can spam, and if they just so happen to be a vampire with summoner buffs, well.. good luck winning in a 1v1. They're the only things I'm unable to beat on my nightblade. DK's insta die to me if I get to them before they get to me.

Sothon

Sure Bash has strong dmg, cause its the only stamina dmg a tank Dk has. The Full Shield/1H line is Debuff/CC.
Still, all you do is killing noobs than dont even move. 1 role/cc and they are away. Dont make Videos from You Vs *** and call anything OP.

Relicz

bash is good I don't know if they need to nerf it though because it does use stamina, melee attack is free so it isn't gonna do as much as something that cost stamina

reagen_lionel

I dont see a problem. You spend all your time doing Deadly Bash (you have to block to use it, and you move slower) you're just gonna drain all your stamina. It does about the same damage as other skills. You cant compare it to your light or heavy attacks, as those do not even cost a resource.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

For those people that continue thinking Shield Bash is ok xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzKJi_aCBg#t=114&hd=1

Yeah shield bash seems pretty impressive, but i cant say its op he looked like he was fighting a bunch of clowns. Really they cant kill him 2v1? IM way more concerned that this guy is using wallhacks to see people through walls!!! In any other game this would be looked at as cheating, because to be honest it gives you a huge advantage on people if you know they are coming and they dont know you are there. Look at 3:05 he literally seen someone inside a building? Wtf please ban these mods and the players who exploit them.

notnicecream

moXrox wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Its insanely overpowered, People say compare it to other Stamina using abilities, and I have...Why do you think i'm spamming bash...Because it out damages EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Also all those Stamina using abilities out there, Use up Bar space.. which is another major perk of Bash. So even if they did the same damage as Bash, that alone would be reason enough to use Bash over them.

Its the same line of reasoning as to why i'm a Nord in this game (The armor racial) Because it saves me a Bar Slot in this game, And its the same line of reasoning as to why I use things like Traveler and Superior Runes of Speed in GW2, because again, In a game with limited Bar Space... Anything that free's up that space is incredibly valuable.

So you did master all weapon types already to compare the dmg , thats great...waht about posting some comparison screenshots.

Here is an overview about highest damage abilities - ranked by damage. Scroll down for weapon abilities. The highest dps are allegedly comming from Twin Slashes (dual wield).
-
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/guide-all-damaging-abilities/

Hi there,
So having played pvp for almost a week now and being in the top 100 leaderboard I can easily say sword and board is not only the highest dps(spamming bash) but also the best defensive weapon as well. Why do you think 90% out of the top 100 in pvp leaderboards is using sword and board? I don't use it because I know if Zenimax has any competence in balancing they will nerf bash in some way or form. But having several friends using it in the top 100 they can do enough damage to kill anyone in 2 seconds while taking reduced damage from attacks.

Btw that link you put doesn't display bash's dps in the list, me being a duel wield NB I can easily say it almost doubles my dps AND bash can also have its damage increased and cost reduced even more from gear... It's rediculous, I have 3k hp and I lose that in 2 seconds to any competent sword and board user.

Xsorus

Oragog wrote: »

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

Gunsang wrote: »

Use immobilizes, back up, stay mobile, problem solved. They move slower while blocking, even with the added traits.

You're aware you don't have to be blocking to spam bash right?

Then doesn't that negate one of your 'issues' that they are blocking for the damage reduction while being able to spam the bash? It's almost like there are situations that it's usable in certain ways and has disadvantages.

But your the whiner type. So in spite of reasoned people constantly pointing out your logical fallacies, you will never be dissuaded from your opinion because you don't want to listen to any dissenting opinions.

umm, i pointed out that it was moronic to think you're going to root a 1 handed sword/shield user and back up because they're slow. They don't have to block to bash the crap out of you...Most of the time they'll simply shield charge you and knock you down and bash your face in. As for a whiner type? Ummm, Lets see..I brought up the fact that bash was overpowered over a week ago, after finding out how powerful it was by playing a DK using it, Then i proceeded to post my setup and build on the Tamriel Foundry boards along with Multiple Videos of me wrecking people with it...and you think i'm whining? I'm pointing out something is blatantly overpowered that I play as and use. That's not whining, that's just wanting the game to be balanced. By the way, i don't listen to dissenting opinions because most of them are from idiots who think the other stamina abilities remotely compare in damage to Bash...

Xsorus

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

For those people that continue thinking Shield Bash is ok xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzKJi_aCBg#t=114&hd=1

Yeah shield bash seems pretty impressive, but i cant say its op he looked like he was fighting a bunch of clowns. Really they cant kill him 2v1? IM way more concerned that this guy is using wallhacks to see people through walls!!! In any other game this would be looked at as cheating, because to be honest it gives you a huge advantage on people if you know they are coming and they dont know you are there. Look at 3:05 he literally seen someone inside a building? Wtf please ban these mods and the players who exploit them.

That wasn't wall hack dummy, That was me targeting the guy before he went into the building, and waiting for him to come out.

Xsorus

notnicecream wrote: »

moXrox wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Its insanely overpowered, People say compare it to other Stamina using abilities, and I have...Why do you think i'm spamming bash...Because it out damages EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Also all those Stamina using abilities out there, Use up Bar space.. which is another major perk of Bash. So even if they did the same damage as Bash, that alone would be reason enough to use Bash over them.

Its the same line of reasoning as to why i'm a Nord in this game (The armor racial) Because it saves me a Bar Slot in this game, And its the same line of reasoning as to why I use things like Traveler and Superior Runes of Speed in GW2, because again, In a game with limited Bar Space... Anything that free's up that space is incredibly valuable.

So you did master all weapon types already to compare the dmg , thats great...waht about posting some comparison screenshots.

Here is an overview about highest damage abilities - ranked by damage. Scroll down for weapon abilities. The highest dps are allegedly comming from Twin Slashes (dual wield).
-
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/guide-all-damaging-abilities/

Hi there,
So having played pvp for almost a week now and being in the top 100 leaderboard I can easily say sword and board is not only the highest dps(spamming bash) but also the best defensive weapon as well. Why do you think 90% out of the top 100 in pvp leaderboards is using sword and board? I don't use it because I know if Zenimax has any competence in balancing they will nerf bash in some way or form. But having several friends using it in the top 100 they can do enough damage to kill anyone in 2 seconds while taking reduced damage from attacks.

Btw that link you put doesn't display bash's dps in the list, me being a duel wield NB I can easily say it almost doubles my dps AND bash can also have its damage increased and cost reduced even more from gear... It's rediculous, I have 3k hp and I lose that in 2 seconds to any competent sword and board user.

Yeap, at this point you pretty much have to have a healer if I fight your group with my ultimate up...Because if you don't..I'll mow through it in seconds, Esp if you're running around with anything less then capped armor.

Kolache

Personally I think it'd be more interesting if the rate of fire/animation on bash was delayed such that it made more sense to use a regular attack in between each one.

Then the over-all DPS of it could be tweaked, and little gameplay could be added by timing intermittent swings/skills.

Zintair

I ATE MY WORDS HERE HARD.

THIS IS UTTERLY BROKEN

ALL stamina abilities are scaling SUPER high. This is completely broken for PvP.

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO

Zintair wrote: »

I ATE MY WORDS HERE HARD.

THIS IS UTTERLY BROKEN

ALL stamina abilities are scaling SUPER high. This is completely broken for PvP.

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!, next time test for yourself before laughing about people asking for balance.

Skylandra

Bad DK PvP Build but he is right on 1 thing - bash is quite OP.
Op you have nothing to stop a Sorc or Bow Kite you...

Ghenra

Gunsang wrote: »

Use immobilizes, back up, stay mobile, problem solved. They move slower while blocking, even with the added traits.

OMG!!! The new world secrets discover is here!!!

Pfff... Guys, really, stop spam about defending one of the most OP "skills" in game at this moment, Zenimax should nerf it soon because is broken.

I can undertand all noobs, is more easy killing using OP shield strikes, but is broken, for the good of TESO and mainly for Cirodiil, this mechanism need to be nerfed in the next patch, same for infinite scape for soccerers.

Wolfaen

bantad87 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

bantad87 wrote: »

You're telling me that bash is better than a skill like..puncture? Which does the same damage, but also lowers the enemies armor (and spell resist) by 40%? Gimme some of what you're smoking.

Puncture in no way does the same damage as Bash

If you like, I'll make a nice video comparing the two, Where you'll see a Crit from Puncture is the equiv of Bash normal hit.

Regardless, my point was that active skills have effects that outstrip pure damage. Low slash = damage reduction, snare, and root
Puncture = enemies armor and spell resist lowered. Also, if you're using bash as opposed to your standard attacks, you will run out of stamina and have nothing to block with or use active abilities with. See how far that gets you in PvP.

Lol.. "See how far that gets you in PvP"... Did you not watch xsorus's video posted on this thread? It clearly works for PvP and is clearly overpowered. Yes Puncture and Low Slash come with other effects, but those do nothing for a target that is dead in less than 4 seconds. There is no point to lower your DPS with those abilities if you can just kill them quicker. Find a shield basher and try using your Puncture and Low Slash skills against him while he shield bashes you into the ground. You will most likely die quickly after using your second skill.

Reavan

Just experienced this first hand!
Made me think about whether staying here for any length of time.

If they want to use the excuse that the 'group play' *cough zerging* is the basis of pvp balance then I am out.

This thing.
Bolt escape, impulse and vamp ultimate are *** as well as other things.

endervoid

Gunsang wrote: »

Use immobilizes, back up, stay mobile, problem solved. They move slower while blocking, even with the added traits.

This does apply to every other melee attack. Still bash does more damage per stamina then any other dual wield ability. For example on my dk, flurry does 1,9 dmg per stamina, shield bash does 2,6 (and bash has much higher dps too).
The only dual wield skill equal is twin slash, but thats an dot so you cant spam it.

Shield bash is atm just the best single target stamina-spam ability (without taking a slot on the bar), and that doesnt seem right.

And you don't have to block to use shield bash, so slower movement doesnt happen.

Reavan wrote: »

Bolt escape, impulse and vamp ultimate are *** as well as other things.

Totaly aggree!

The pulsar spamming 16er premade groups are really the most annoying thing in pvp. If thats the best coordinated pvp you can do in eso then it means i will just be waiting another long time for camelot unchained.

Xsorus

I've included in my Sig a link to my build setup on tamriel foundry if anyone is currently curious what i run

Igolbug

you puncture them then spam bash, it is stupid how much damage it does with how little stam it costs, plus the added effect that you are blocking while spamming it.

Zintair

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

I ATE MY WORDS HERE HARD.

THIS IS UTTERLY BROKEN

ALL stamina abilities are scaling SUPER high. This is completely broken for PvP.

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!, next time test for yourself before laughing about people asking for balance.

Hey I admitted I was wrong which on an internet game forum is like a .000001% chance of happening so appreciate my support lol!

VR10 and people can lock me down and kill me in a couple of bashes.

We really need to hear something about this.

Bash (and interrupt) is critting for 500dmg. Thats more than my Ultimate NOVA does throughout the timer.

Really wish they would say something regarding this.

Also wish they would nerf DK standard. This ultimate cost WAY to little for how good it is. Either buff other Ultimates in line with it or raise it's cost to 300+ like the rest of us.

cjtignub17_ESO

moXrox wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Its insanely overpowered, People say compare it to other Stamina using abilities, and I have...Why do you think i'm spamming bash...Because it out damages EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Also all those Stamina using abilities out there, Use up Bar space.. which is another major perk of Bash. So even if they did the same damage as Bash, that alone would be reason enough to use Bash over them.

Its the same line of reasoning as to why i'm a Nord in this game (The armor racial) Because it saves me a Bar Slot in this game, And its the same line of reasoning as to why I use things like Traveler and Superior Runes of Speed in GW2, because again, In a game with limited Bar Space... Anything that free's up that space is incredibly valuable.

So you did master all weapon types already to compare the dmg , thats great...waht about posting some comparison screenshots.

Here is an overview about highest damage abilities - ranked by damage. Scroll down for weapon abilities. The highest dps are allegedly comming from Twin Slashes (dual wield).
-
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/guide-all-damaging-abilities/

That tf post is extremely inaccurate.

Tbh when I saw those bash abilities I thought the dps was weak compared w dps sorc. Ive never used bash but just my opinion.

Soban

The only thing that annoys me about shield bash is the bads spamming it while rooted 15m away from you or while walking towards you. I don't know what it is, but that bugs me.

Gunsang

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gunsang wrote: »

Use immobilizes, back up, stay mobile, problem solved. They move slower while blocking, even with the added traits.

You're aware you don't have to be blocking to spam bash right?

Yes Bill Nye, but this is about the spam of it--meaning the held right key of blocking and the pressy button of left key, even if the held right key is a split second.

Anyway lets try something blunt (hah!)...

I've seen this beat/survive shield bash spam many times, especially by templars, and I want everyone to try--

Blocking.

I'm not kidding. It -might- work for you, it might not. If it doesn't, I recommend roll and stun when the opportunity arises, or to think of something that will force a change of tactics. At the same time, I'm NOT saying it WILL work. It's a recommendation based on hands on pvp experience.

I've had people try to bash me to death, and I simply blocked for about 10-15 bashes and stunned them--wham, down and out, no CC Break, and he wasn't getting up because he was out of stamina. It worked because they were careless and reliant on a single ability, like some you will end up finding. Others might be a bit more intelligent--but who says you're not going to get hit at least a few times by it?

Know how much they are relying on it and you should be able to discern an approach. I'm not trying to be a jerk about this either. On the contrary, after knowing this would come up, I'd be more then willing to help put a solution attached.

(Fun fact, bash can interrupt vampire mist cast )

Elminster

sometimes I wonder do the developers even do any quality control BEFORE releasing a patch and if they are looking into this please look at the sorc teleport and vamp mist form and FFS fixed them or nerf them