Terrible, Terrible RvR

Getorix

Most if not all of the OP's complaints are uncoordinated zerg problems. When some established guilds start shaping up those problems will lessen even for the uncoordinated zerglings.

jackalpup83b14_ESO

zergs suck.

you say be a leader, how can you lead when nobody follows? why?

you are rewarded for zerging.

i have spent days playing different campaigns on different toons so i could see if anyone was actually doing anything tactical. nope. i see a couple groups try every now and then to form a resource ganking squad, but they soon break up. i even see guilds zerging.

you get more AP per second in a large group zerg than you do in a small gank squad.

the time you spend going to a resource and taking it is AP zerg farm time wasted. you can join a large group and do a very minimal amount of work and get 17-48 AP per second because your team mates are PKing. you get one shot in there and the clashing zergs just feed off one another and the AP points roll while you stand back.

so people zerg.

why waste time hoofing it to a resource node, around the long way so you don't get rolled by their zerg stream to the fort, fight it out with NPCs, possibly die when they reinforce with 50 people, when you can stand in a sea of players where it is safe while they just smash into one another and leak AP all over the place???

this needs to be fixed. it encourages the zergfest. the majority of players are either dumb to tactical warefare or just plain don't care enough to try because it is a waste of time and effort.

i am constantly on the look out for gank squads to join. i have only seen three since launch and even in the betas and they quickly dissolve when they get discouraged because they are getting ran over by zerggy retaliation.

you say to wait. what are we waiting for? GW2 has been out for quite a while and they still zerg around the seige map like dumb monkies. do you honestly think waiting for a few more months will change this?

some people just like it that way.

give the rest of us structured PvP. what is the harm in it? agree, it was said before....if it takes players from Cyrodiil, those people are unhappy there to begin with.

Shaun98ca2

IF you think this game favors zerg fests just "Remember the Chalamo"

Shaun98ca2

A leader KNOWS how to get people to follow....its all about knowing and listening.

jackalpup83b14_ESO

great Shaun, can we have some leaders please?

in days of playing all these different campaigns i haven't found any.

what campaign you on? what hours do you play?

jackalpup83b14_ESO

i did see an awesome sight on Auriel's Bow yesterday afternoon where Aldmari were taking resources and beating the heck out of Daggarfall! unfortunately i was on daggarfall side. i started playing in the afternoon/evening when the people on AD apparently stopped playing tho because we quickly got everything back....zerg style.

Hodorius

I am mostly a PvP player and have entered Cyrodil only once.

Right now I am lvl 41 and I will lvl to 50 before joining for real.
I was thinking about joining a PvP guild but I think it´s way to early as I donot want to be stuck in some noobish zerg-guild.
I want an organized guild that actually tries to win instead of pwning the enemy for hours.
I bet many of "serious" players do that.
Someties it´s really hard. I look at the statistics every day and it makes me sad to not be there

BUT:

In Beta I hated running back to the fighting zone after beeing killed.
It took way to long.
I am about to buy my second horse which will we a fast war horse so these long travel times will be gone.

I disliked beeing killed by enemies I had absolutly no chance against.
This will be solved when I hit the 50.

Having no soulgems was a big issue too... they were way to expensive.
The very first "solo" dungeon with lvl 50 gems will solve this problem.

The only problem I see is the unequal arrangement of player of the factions.
The solution to this was pointed out several times in this thread.
Every ego shooter has it.

Shaun98ca2

jackalpup83b14_ESO wrote: »

great Shaun, can we have some leaders please?

in days of playing all these different campaigns i haven't found any.

what campaign you on? what hours do you play?

I don't do PVP. But I have been a leader its something you have to learn at some time in life.

Lizard_man

LilMcGinley wrote: »

So you want everything just handed to you? You know this is an MMO right..? If you want this, you should look into SPvP in GW2.

Who said that? You're saying PvP opens up and becomes fun once you reach level 50! I'm just saying that's going to take a long time for some people to reach, including myself...

Toy

Lizard_man wrote: »

LilMcGinley wrote: »

So you want everything just handed to you? You know this is an MMO right..? If you want this, you should look into SPvP in GW2.

Who said that? You're saying PvP opens up and becomes fun once you reach level 50! I'm just saying that's going to take a long time for some people to reach, including myself...

I reached 50 on my dk over a week ago and guess what, in my opinion the rvr still sucks. But it probably is bc I prefer running solo, I don't have a guild or lots of ingame friends, which to me isn't necessarily a bad thing because that way I'm not obliged to play at predetermined times, or should I say it wouldn't be a bad thing if I could do anything meaningful and fun on my own in Cyrodiil. My only option is following the damn zerg, feeling useless most of the time because I didn't pick a class (not spec) that's better suited for the constant ranged vs. ranged standoffs.

Zintair

Bluejay wrote: »

For the most part Elder Scrolls is a impressive game. Particularly the graphics. Some of the areas are amazing to the point that I often stop just to look at scenery.

But IMHO the RvR is the second worst I've ever encountered in 20 years of playing MMO's.

1. The RvR consists mostly of 10-15 minutes of running through empty terrain to get to a battle, then either kill all the opposing forces or be killed within 30 seconds. Rather you win or not the next step is 10-15 more minutes of running through empty terrain to get to the next objective.

You obviously never played DAOC.. we'll ignore this as ignorant because DAOC was only 10-15 years ago.

2. Population distribution between the factions is a complete disaster. One faction or another is dominating almost all of the campaigns. My home campaign is so badly lop-sided one faction has 6 times the score of both of the other factions.

The ONLY valid point in this entire post. Dynamic Population cap should have been in at release.

3. Resurrections in RvR are so costly that no one will rez anyone, leaving porting back to the spawn point the only option. At this point no one seems willing to buy spawn point tents either. Frankly there is little incentive to do either of these. When your players are completely ignoring two significant mechanics you have a design problem.

I rez all the time and if you spend an hour and do PvP Dailies you have 6-10k gold. Therefore you are 100% wrong and should make friends instead of expecting joe blow to rez you.

4. The combat mechanics and map design do nothing to dissuade zerg tactics, so zergging is the only thing that ever occurs.

No that is all you have seen. That is not all that is happening. Unless you are somehow at every battle in every campaign ALL the time this is another ignorant comment of a whiner who got rolled.

7. Because of all the tedious running, rewards in either xp or gear are so much slower than PVE it's not worth it. If the RvR was fun it wouldn't matter, but there is no incentive to participate in RvR as it is right now.

The don't RvR and quit the game instead of peeing in everyone elses cheerios because you are upset. Oh yea misery loves company.

Again, my opinions... feel free to disagree. But after two solid days of RvR I am completely done with this part of the game.

Two days has brought you to these esteemed conclusions?!?!

Well let me tell you, you must know A LOT about RvR from those two days....


sigh.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I actually like the running. Coming from gw2 where it took a zerg to kill people because of the downed mechanic, and then if for some reason you did manage to die, just rez up and 2 seconds later you are back attacking the fort you were just at. Nothing like defending a fort from the suicide masses!

Here the run is the penalty and the balance. It slaps you in the face over and over again screaming don't over extend if you cant defend yourself.

darthbelanb14_ESO

It's AvA in ESO, not RvR, but I digress. Honestly OP, you're doing something wrong. I'm level 15 and hold my own, sometimes surviving a whole keep seige. I've found AvA to be the best part of ESO, so much so that it's hindering my leveling (they need to change the kill player quest back to repeatable.) Come to think of it, that's my only gripe.

tawok

I'm really coming to hate these forums. Gone are the notions that the MMO community would be born anew on ESO, my unrealistic hope where we would leave the "lets be *** for the sake of being ***!" mentality with the MMO we do not speak of.

Why does every poster here in this particular sub forum, always blame the OP for their short comings? Why does it seem that the vocal minority around here are having a completely opposite experience than the rest of us?

Every post blames the OP for his shortcomings, tells him he's not doing enough, it's all his fault. Most of them are "Ugh, I can't believe you feel that way! Heathon! You've not given it enough time to mature! How can you be so stupid with only 2 days of insight?!"

Every other post is horrible advice "Be a Leader, not a follower. Start a guild, or join a big guild, and organize your own PVP nights! Don't go PVPing with less than 7 friends!". If everyone leads, who will follow? Are you really trying to dispense helpful advice, or are you just typing to see your post count rise? Do you truly believe every player wants to go above and beyond the call of normal gameplay, and organize group events? You can't honestly believe every person who wants a fair shake at some fun in PVP want to be in a constant state of organizing, spamming, recruiting, and dealing with all the other BS that comes from organization.

Yet we wonder why the MMORPG market is viewed as a horribly unfriendly and unwelcoming community.

OT... I personally feel that AvAvA is a terribly designed concept, and almost impossible to execute. I, and many of my fellow ESO players, want structured PVP. Call us old school, tell us we want to turn ESO into WoW, we've heard all of your shallow insults. But the fact of the matter is, a growing majority want 10v10/15v15/20v20 CTF, Point Capture or any other kind of PVP that isn't some faceroll zerg fest walking simulator.

codyyoungnub18_ESO

If you are just popping in and following a Zerg you will probably have a bad time. (not always) You are just used to qeue for battleground and hope you get another pug to fight against who also doesn't communicate or socialize whatsoever so you don't get a pre-made and get rofl stomped. Leave that mentality behind, it will require more effort (no one from the zerg brought a camp, very telling). A game with less effort and no social interaction whatsoever is that way --->

This is not it and hopefully stays that way.

adri_sumb14_ESO

tawok wrote: »

I'm really coming to hate these forums. Gone are the notions that the MMO community would be born anew on ESO, my unrealistic hope where we would leave the "lets be *** for the sake of being ***!" mentality with the MMO we do not speak of.

Why does every poster here in this particular sub forum, always blame the OP for their short comings? Why does it seem that the vocal minority around here are having a completely opposite experience than the rest of us?

Every post blames the OP for his shortcomings, tells him he's not doing enough, it's all his fault. Most of them are "Ugh, I can't believe you feel that way! Heathon! You've not given it enough time to mature! How can you be so stupid with only 2 days of insight?!"

Every other post is horrible advice "Be a Leader, not a follower. Start a guild, or join a big guild, and organize your own PVP nights! Don't go PVPing with less than 7 friends!". If everyone leads, who will follow? Are you really trying to dispense helpful advice, or are you just typing to see your post count rise? Do you truly believe every player wants to go above and beyond the call of normal gameplay, and organize group events? You can't honestly believe every person who wants a fair shake at some fun in PVP want to be in a constant state of organizing, spamming, recruiting, and dealing with all the other BS that comes from organization.

Yet we wonder why the MMORPG market is viewed as a horribly unfriendly and unwelcoming community.

OT... I personally feel that AvAvA is a terribly designed concept, and almost impossible to execute. I, and many of my fellow ESO players, want structured PVP. Call us old school, tell us we want to turn ESO into WoW, we've heard all of your shallow insults. But the fact of the matter is, a growing majority want 10v10/15v15/20v20 CTF, Point Capture or any other kind of PVP that isn't some faceroll zerg fest walking simulator.

If you frame your entire comment as a negative post then expect negative responses. The OP did little to suggest improvements and instead focused only on the negatives. If you want to have any discussion that is worth listening to, then FRAME YOUR COMMENT such that others can contribute to it. Now this is to say negative opinions of AvAvA should be ignored. On the contracy, post like these if treated seriously can improve the game.

Example, how would you react if I simply state I don't like grapes simply because its too sweet? Its my opinion that contradicts others. I did little to suggest ways that would make me enjoy the grapes. The only way you can respond is to ARGUE with me or simply say "Oh well".

dermottib14_ESO

Disagree with #4. My guild is having a blast and we are finding tons of fights not in the zerg.

How to find them? Find a keep thats under attack, sit along the supply line where reinforcements come from, pick groups off all day. Rinse repeat.

The RvR is great in this game.

doniecmb16_ESO

tawok wrote: »

OT... I personally feel that AvAvA is a terribly designed concept, and almost impossible to execute. Call us old school

It's been very successfully executed in a game called Dark Ages of Camelot by the very same person who is game director for ESO. You are not old school enough. If you need a structured 20vs20 CTF PvP play BF4. I do.

To OP, give it time. A couple of months from now everything will even out. There will be people who will be able to destroy any size zerg with 4-8 ppl groups

dermottib14_ESO

Play wow or GW2 if you want that. A large majority of us are EX-DAOCers that want a properly executed RvRvR. This is the closest we have seen yet imho.