Can we please have some "down time"?

lillybit

I think people are a little too hung up on how long things take.

On PS I've raced through everything and been happy to do so. It's only really taken an hour or so in the afternoon and then I have 6 days with no restrictions on what I should do, so that works for me. Because I want to race through them I've rerolled for the ones that will be easiest for me even tho they're much less points. It's a fair trade

On PC it's a different story tho. It's not my main platform so I don't feel the need to rush and get everything as much. The 1000 kills sat there til this week when I got Arenas x2 and PD boss in Wrothgar. I had a quick normal run through maelstrom (still need destros anyway), then popped next door to the PD and sat at the group boss for a little while. Wasn't even waiting the usual 5m cooldown most of the time, someone else would turn up and start it early. Killed the rats around the room while I waited for extra credit! I've still got the 2nd Arena to run but that'll wait til next week. If I'm lucky I'll get it again for even more completions at once. Just with that I've nearly finished the 1000 kills and done a fair chunk of the 100 bosses one too - that'll probably be finished when I do the golden pursuit sometime over the weekend.

I was lucky with the rolls this week but if I hadn't been, I probably would've been next week. There's 9 or 10 weeks left, I'm sure something would've come up that works with them eventually.

Last week on my main I got open chests x2 and incursions. A couple of quick loops of the Alik'r dolmen train and they were all done. Not as many points but took hardly any time either. I'm still over half way through with 2 months to go so the extra points are no big deal.

It can be a marathon as easily as a sprint. You could do them every other week and roll for duplicates. Match them to the seasonals like I did. Sit at a world boss and pick flowers during the cooldown. Let harvest ones sit there a week or so while you save surveys.

The longer it goes on the easier it'll be to tie them together and make life easier, especially with rerolls for gold coming.

disky

AzuraFan wrote: »

Silaf wrote: »

Diden't zos remove golden pursuits and daily endevors to put them in the tome with the intent of removing daily chores and stressing time limits?

Agreed. I said in another thread that tomes should have made golden pursuits obsolete since they're the same thing - grinding out tasks for shinies.

I don't actually think they do. It's an alternate set of additional rewards, which you can grab if you want, while doing alternative activities. You don't *have* to do any of this, and to be honest, I'm personally totally fine with letting this particular GP pass by. Same with the PvP ones, if they happen to appear.

I fully understand that there are people who feel compelled to acquire every single little doodad in the game, but I implore you to relax that mentality. It's okay to not do and see and have every single thing. Do what you *like* to do. Get what you *want* to get.

Belhawk1

Isn't the current golden pursuits a preview of Night Market with 1 of 3 fractions to join, where you do PVP, group dungeons(not soloing), trials for additional rewards. I like the golden pursuits, but not the PVP & grouping up for group dungeons.
Why is BETH pushing PVP and group up so hard?

Oblivion_Protocol

Belhawk1 wrote: »

Isn't the current golden pursuits a preview of Night Market with 1 of 3 fractions to join, where you do PVP, group dungeons(not soloing), trials for additional rewards. I like the golden pursuits, but not the PVP & grouping up for group dungeons.
Why is BETH pushing PVP and group up so hard?

Umm, because people like PVP and playing in groups? I don’t understand this weird mentality where ever time ZOS does something that doesn’t cater to a specific group, that group comes out of the woodwork and screams about how it’s not fair.

- Group content, solo players complain
- Solo content, group players complain
- PVE content, PVP players complain
- PVP content, PVE players complain (in record numbers)

Can we acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the entire game isn’t meant for everyone and that’s okay? Enjoy what you do, and avoid what you don’t.

Which brings me to the original post. Some of you also need to accept that you’re not going to get every reward or complete every objective. You don’t need it. And if getting everything under the sun is your objective, understand that doing so is going to take a lot of time, require doing stuff you might not like, and take most of your effort away from the stuff you do like.

PoveusRonin

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Belhawk1 wrote: »

Isn't the current golden pursuits a preview of Night Market with 1 of 3 fractions to join, where you do PVP, group dungeons(not soloing), trials for additional rewards. I like the golden pursuits, but not the PVP & grouping up for group dungeons.
Why is BETH pushing PVP and group up so hard?

Umm, because people like PVP and playing in groups? I don’t understand this weird mentality where ever time ZOS does something that doesn’t cater to a specific group, that group comes out of the woodwork and screams about how it’s not fair.

- Group content, solo players complain
- Solo content, group players complain
- PVE content, PVP players complain
- PVP content, PVE players complain (in record numbers)

Can we acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the entire game isn’t meant for everyone and that’s okay? Enjoy what you do, and avoid what you don’t.

Which brings me to the original post. Some of you also need to accept that you’re not going to get every reward or complete every objective. You don’t need it. And if getting everything under the sun is your objective, understand that doing so is going to take a lot of time, require doing stuff you might not like, and take most of your effort away from the stuff you do like.

I've not been around a long time but I have seen this same trend of different groups complaining. I don't know why at this point they don't at least take and add additional methods. This one for example, 15 required for all rewards, at least 10 PVE solo, at least 10 PVE group, and at least 10 PVP options. Let them mix a little for the last bit but at least give a majority path to each play style so they don't feel stuffed into a specific category. Maybe little side rewards like they have done for a few in the past where you complete certain objectives, you get something additional. Tied to the play style that the objective is for.

BretonMage

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Taarente wrote: »

The result isn’t motivation — it’s fatigue.
You stop choosing what you want to do, and start clearing things just to make the noise go away.

That’s why people are asking for downtime — not less content, just space to actually play on their own terms again.

It still impacts those others who do want these events. Perhaps we need an "opt out" system to help those struggling with event fatigue, where reminders and all other in-game communication regarding the event is removed on the player's end.

I do think a toggle to suppress notifications would be good. Maybe they could make it available to add-ons to mess around with.

Because I think if the game wasn't constantly reminding you to do these things, it would be easier to just skip them doing them, which is actually the intended purpose of moving over to the tome system is for them to take up less time and be less stressful to complete.

I'm not having trouble ignoring it but I can understand why others are because all the reminders really do leave an unfinished business feeling.

I don't know how many players actually suffer from event fatigue, but if it really impacts their enjoyment of the game, it may be prudent for ZOS to look into minimising their discomfort with a player-side option.

On one hand I agree with those that say that you need to manage your own state of mind, BUT on the other hand we all know that predatory marketing practices are real, and that individuals may all have differing resistances to them. And since there are many who enjoy these events, I think some kind of toggle to let people opt out would be best.

I also think all this is exacerbated by the layout of the Tomes. We are given weekly and 3-monthly challenges as a simple list, and some people seem to feel compelled to finish them all at once. It was not the intended approach, and the layout should reflect that somehow. It has been mentioned many times over, but the Tomes and Challenges UI needs a lot of work.

olda90

All this pointless grinding system works becouse people have traps in their mind that cant let go and prefer solo play in their own world mini tasks rather then interacting with a game system and other players. The game itself is not promoting a system where players can/should build up something toghether and most endgame was killed. This is just part of a game model [snip]
[edited for flaming]

lillybit

olda90 wrote: »

[snip]

That's harsh, untrue and the reason some people prefer to be solo.

There's lots of reasons people avoid groups from mental health and lack of confidence to physical restrictions and bullying before you get to something as simple as just antisocial.

This is a huge game with something to offer a massive variety of players. Dismissing anyone who doesn't want to play how you think they should with words like babies and losers doesn't help anyone
[edited to remove quote]

Umbracat449

I did suddenly picture zos reading this, thinking

"But, we gave you 3 months to finish the tome!"

"But, you don't have to finish the weekly in a week!"

"But, you can change challenges to be the type of play you want!"

"But, there will be way more points than you can spend!"

"But, if you want, you can buy a tome and take all the time you want!"

"What do you WANT here....!"

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-01-2015/7YBuxM.gif

Ah well, I do think there's just too many pages. And it's a very odd ui.

twisttop138

tomofhyrule wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Taarente wrote: »

The result isn’t motivation — it’s fatigue.
You stop choosing what you want to do, and start clearing things just to make the noise go away.

That’s why people are asking for downtime — not less content, just space to actually play on their own terms again.

It still impacts those others who do want these events. Perhaps we need an "opt out" system to help those struggling with event fatigue, where reminders and all other in-game communication regarding the event is removed on the player's end.

Are these the only things that those who like these events want to do? Wouldn't they like time to quest, and run dungeons and trials and the IA, and do housing etc., too? There needs to be a balance and right now we are being pushed heavily into tasks.

The problem is that you are thinking about this like a gamer from 2010 who only plays one game.

It’s 2026. The landscape of video gaming has changed significantly.

Gaming is no longer a “for fun” thing, it’s a service. If you have a period where you aren’t offering things to do (and get rewarded to do) then you’re going to lose audience to the other competitors who are.

Is it good? No. But is that how it is? Yep.

I feel like a lot of the “I only play Elder Scrolls” fans who haven’t played many games since Skyrim are now feeling like ESO is betraying itself. But it’s just evolving to match the current times, and this is how gaming in 2026 operates. ESO is a living product - heck, back in 2014, ESO funneled everyone into PvP as the only endgame, so even the “Skyrim with Friends” thing people think is ESO’s lifeblood was a ‘betrayal of what it originally was.’

Anyone who knows anything about modern gaming heard the dev stream about Season Pass and groaned. We know what that means: less content, more FOMO, more task lists instead of free-form, and more monetization. But the devs knew how to sell it, and a lot of players heard what they were selling and believed “more updates! More to do! More fun!” They scoffed at the people who warned about what modern game season passes meant.
And now we’re seeing that those people were right all along.

Nobody is going to get Microsoft to choose the player-friendly-but-less-profit path. Ever. And if you think you will, I have a bridge to sell you.
The only choice you have is to make a personal stand and say “I’m not playing your manipulative game.” Stop grinding if you don’t want it. Silence that voice inside that complains that you have unfinished tasks in a list you don’t want to do. Heck, if it’s too much, uninstall and go play an old non-Live-service game that doesn’t manipulate you.

Modern gaming in 2026 is all about learning to resist manipulation. And that’s a personal thing. You’re not going to get the big companies to stop, but you will be able to train your brain to resist.

What an insightful comment. I was one of those people, heavily critical of the change. I was just shocked at how naive people were. At how they were happy to give up chapters, a known quantity, black and white value for money, for the chance to replay old content on a checklist. Regardless of it being formulaic, or repetitive, we are now going to see exactly what you said. Season passes are all about players doing already produced content and paying for the privilege. And it was introduced to thunderous applause. Like the end of revenge of the sith. We will get new stuff this year, but it seems people are waking up to the fact that they bought in to a big PR push. Improved communication and transparency. Until they sold you tomes, now we're back to the old way. Improved pts communication, when tomes was being tested. Is it the same level this time? The same interaction? Acting on feedback almost in the same week? (That parts a question, I haven't had time to read a lot of pts) Now that tomes is here, I hope people see this and understand that this is not for your benefit, it's not player friendly and that's by design. So keep giving feedback, call out the stuff that's not good in a constructive way.

It's funny, the other day a guild mate said something I've been thinking. Battle passes don't come to games that are doing good. Companies don't give up expansion packs for this because the game is thriving. So it can kinda feel like if you love ESO you have to engage with the tome system. Because if tomes fails, well, we're not going back to chapters is all I'll say.

In the end, I love ESO and the friends I have here. I don't mind buying tomes and I will continue. I'm not new to battle pass stuff in MMOs though. It doesn't effect me like I see a lot of you. Like Tom said, engage with the game but try to see the manipulation and do your own thing. But realize that this is what the game is now.

dcrush

twisttop138 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Taarente wrote: »

The result isn’t motivation — it’s fatigue.
You stop choosing what you want to do, and start clearing things just to make the noise go away.

That’s why people are asking for downtime — not less content, just space to actually play on their own terms again.

It still impacts those others who do want these events. Perhaps we need an "opt out" system to help those struggling with event fatigue, where reminders and all other in-game communication regarding the event is removed on the player's end.

Are these the only things that those who like these events want to do? Wouldn't they like time to quest, and run dungeons and trials and the IA, and do housing etc., too? There needs to be a balance and right now we are being pushed heavily into tasks.

The problem is that you are thinking about this like a gamer from 2010 who only plays one game.

It’s 2026. The landscape of video gaming has changed significantly.

Gaming is no longer a “for fun” thing, it’s a service. If you have a period where you aren’t offering things to do (and get rewarded to do) then you’re going to lose audience to the other competitors who are.

Is it good? No. But is that how it is? Yep.

I feel like a lot of the “I only play Elder Scrolls” fans who haven’t played many games since Skyrim are now feeling like ESO is betraying itself. But it’s just evolving to match the current times, and this is how gaming in 2026 operates. ESO is a living product - heck, back in 2014, ESO funneled everyone into PvP as the only endgame, so even the “Skyrim with Friends” thing people think is ESO’s lifeblood was a ‘betrayal of what it originally was.’

Anyone who knows anything about modern gaming heard the dev stream about Season Pass and groaned. We know what that means: less content, more FOMO, more task lists instead of free-form, and more monetization. But the devs knew how to sell it, and a lot of players heard what they were selling and believed “more updates! More to do! More fun!” They scoffed at the people who warned about what modern game season passes meant.
And now we’re seeing that those people were right all along.

Nobody is going to get Microsoft to choose the player-friendly-but-less-profit path. Ever. And if you think you will, I have a bridge to sell you.
The only choice you have is to make a personal stand and say “I’m not playing your manipulative game.” Stop grinding if you don’t want it. Silence that voice inside that complains that you have unfinished tasks in a list you don’t want to do. Heck, if it’s too much, uninstall and go play an old non-Live-service game that doesn’t manipulate you.

Modern gaming in 2026 is all about learning to resist manipulation. And that’s a personal thing. You’re not going to get the big companies to stop, but you will be able to train your brain to resist.

It's funny, the other day a guild mate said something I've been thinking. Battle passes don't come to games that are doing good. Companies don't give up expansion packs for this because the game is thriving.

I agree with most of your reply but you may be underestimating corporate greed. A game can be doing well but if upper management thinks they can make more money from battle passes than from DLC content then they will 100% push for that to happen. If ZOS was an independent studio ESO may well have taken a very different path but they are part of Micro$oft.

Poss

Have you stopped to think that maybe the overwhelmed feeling isn’t because of the Tome event, or the Golden Persuit but because you feel compelled to carry out writs on 30 characters every single day? That’s a you problem. That’s an issue where you’ve placed yourself in a situation where you can’t handle running your guild AND enjoy playing the game.

I have no issues with the Tome quests, I don’t really care about the GP and only did enough for the Seals but that’s just me.

twisttop138

dcrush wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Taarente wrote: »

The result isn’t motivation — it’s fatigue.
You stop choosing what you want to do, and start clearing things just to make the noise go away.

That’s why people are asking for downtime — not less content, just space to actually play on their own terms again.

It still impacts those others who do want these events. Perhaps we need an "opt out" system to help those struggling with event fatigue, where reminders and all other in-game communication regarding the event is removed on the player's end.

Are these the only things that those who like these events want to do? Wouldn't they like time to quest, and run dungeons and trials and the IA, and do housing etc., too? There needs to be a balance and right now we are being pushed heavily into tasks.

The problem is that you are thinking about this like a gamer from 2010 who only plays one game.

It’s 2026. The landscape of video gaming has changed significantly.

Gaming is no longer a “for fun” thing, it’s a service. If you have a period where you aren’t offering things to do (and get rewarded to do) then you’re going to lose audience to the other competitors who are.

Is it good? No. But is that how it is? Yep.

I feel like a lot of the “I only play Elder Scrolls” fans who haven’t played many games since Skyrim are now feeling like ESO is betraying itself. But it’s just evolving to match the current times, and this is how gaming in 2026 operates. ESO is a living product - heck, back in 2014, ESO funneled everyone into PvP as the only endgame, so even the “Skyrim with Friends” thing people think is ESO’s lifeblood was a ‘betrayal of what it originally was.’

Anyone who knows anything about modern gaming heard the dev stream about Season Pass and groaned. We know what that means: less content, more FOMO, more task lists instead of free-form, and more monetization. But the devs knew how to sell it, and a lot of players heard what they were selling and believed “more updates! More to do! More fun!” They scoffed at the people who warned about what modern game season passes meant.
And now we’re seeing that those people were right all along.

Nobody is going to get Microsoft to choose the player-friendly-but-less-profit path. Ever. And if you think you will, I have a bridge to sell you.
The only choice you have is to make a personal stand and say “I’m not playing your manipulative game.” Stop grinding if you don’t want it. Silence that voice inside that complains that you have unfinished tasks in a list you don’t want to do. Heck, if it’s too much, uninstall and go play an old non-Live-service game that doesn’t manipulate you.

Modern gaming in 2026 is all about learning to resist manipulation. And that’s a personal thing. You’re not going to get the big companies to stop, but you will be able to train your brain to resist.

It's funny, the other day a guild mate said something I've been thinking. Battle passes don't come to games that are doing good. Companies don't give up expansion packs for this because the game is thriving.

I agree with most of your reply but you may be underestimating corporate greed. A game can be doing well but if upper management thinks they can make more money from battle passes than from DLC content then they will 100% push for that to happen. If ZOS was an independent studio ESO may well have taken a very different path but they are part of Micro$oft.

I agree fully with you. I was more coming from the place of how this game has been on the down swing, how it happened in fallout 76, swtor etc. Of course though, corporations will do what they do.

Calastir

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

Thoriorz

tomofhyrule wrote: »

So… why did you have to get all 1000 kills and 100 bosses immediately?

You have literally three months for those. Those are going to be active until a month after the next update releases. There is the opposite of a rush for those things.

You had all of that time to just play, but you chose to grind it out ASAP. There’s a difference.

The reason they’re doing a short Pursuit is that this is the “get hyped for the Night Market” one, and then we’ll get another Pursuit then dealing with the Night Market. That one will last the entire length of the Night Market, until June 17.
So if you don’t want to grind it out immediately, then don’t. You have seven weeks.

Exactly.
For example, I don’t even do the “1,000 kills” task (and I never will) because it doesn’t fit with what I do in the game. I’m halfway done with “100 bosses” just through the RNDs I do with my alt characters.
And as for GP, I somehow managed to get to 500 endeavors reward—I don’t even really know how. I just played and claimed rewards through F, but I didn’t even do the tasks on purpose, and I’m not going for the emote or pet (I’m not interested in those rewards), so my GP just sort of filled up on its own...

A lot of people make the game more complicated than it is, and for some, if they don’t complete a task “right away,” it’s bad design...
Personally, I’m happy about the Tomes, and the GP was a nice bonus too (500 free endeavors always come in handy).

Blood_again

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

Does it mean at least 49 forum users don't allow "downtime" for themselves and ask ZoS for it instead?

I'll just add a citation from the respected Braffin, 2 years ago

Braffin wrote: »

No, zos is of course not able to decide if a specific player is prioritizing rewards over enjoyment or not.

Nonetheless by setting their development focus either on production of shinies (as they did) or adding meaningful content, they very well decide the composition of their overall playerbase.

So yes, I blame zos for this current fiasco. Not for having to grind for "my precious" (I'm not affected by FOMO and have no interest in the style pages.), not for the PTS accident (these things happen), not for compensation the victims of said accident, but for creating a community which prefers to grind till the state of depression (that's what is reported in the according threads) over celebrating the anniversary of their favorite game.

It's just sad tbh.

The result - the community, which prefers to grind till the state of depression over having fun in the game they love - is still here and evolving.
At that moment I had a hope that the effect was temporary. Today I'm afraid that the state of the community won't turn any better.
It is not sad anymore. It is terrifying.

PoveusRonin

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Belhawk1

I would like to see more balance in Night Markets, more pve for people that prefer soloing instead of pvp & grouping. The GP indicates that pvp & grouping is heavily favored.

Calastir

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

AScarlato

Calastir wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

We understand what you are asking for. You are asking for less events for everyone because some people have event fatigue. I understand, having had event fatigue before - but for me if I feel that I just don't particpate.

I think the misunderstanding is believing forum strangers are telling you how to play the game. I promise you we aren't invested in your playtime enough to spend time doing that; it's just offering suggestions that might be helpful. Also simply disagreeing really isn't telling anyone how to spend their time; it's a discussion forum so we are allowed to have varying viewpoints.

Calastir

AScarlato wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

We understand what you are asking for. You are asking for less events for everyone because some people have event fatigue. I understand, having had event fatigue before - but for me if I feel that I just don't particpate.

I think the misunderstanding is believing forum strangers are telling you how to play the game. I promise you we aren't invested in your playtime enough to spend time doing that; it's just offering suggestions that might be helpful. Also simply disagreeing really isn't telling anyone how to spend their time; it's a discussion forum so we are allowed to have varying viewpoints.

No, that's not what we're saying. I repeat;

Calastir wrote: »

we ask for other options.

That's it. More options for the same rewards so we can play as we choose, not taking options away from other players.

valenwood_vegan

Calastir wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

We understand what you are asking for. You are asking for less events for everyone because some people have event fatigue. I understand, having had event fatigue before - but for me if I feel that I just don't particpate.

I think the misunderstanding is believing forum strangers are telling you how to play the game. I promise you we aren't invested in your playtime enough to spend time doing that; it's just offering suggestions that might be helpful. Also simply disagreeing really isn't telling anyone how to spend their time; it's a discussion forum so we are allowed to have varying viewpoints.

No, that's not what we're saying. I repeat;

Calastir wrote: »

we ask for other options.

That's it. More options for the same rewards so we can play as we choose, not taking options away from other players.

Who is exactly "we"? Maybe this is what you're asking for and to me it sounds reasonable, but the OP in this thread literally requested time without "constant new quests. new zones. etc".

Perhaps that is why some folks are reacting so strongly, as from the point of view of some players, the game has just emerged from a months-long period during which nothing new was added and there was nothing to do (and indeed, there were tons of complaints the moment login rewards and endeavors were removed before the tome system was added).

There seems to be much confusion about what exactly is being requested here to begin with.

I for one am glad they're trying new systems and have a variety of new content planned, and I hope they can take feedback and find a good balance between events and tasks and content to keep people engaged, while not leaving people overwhelmed. It seems very difficult to please everyone in this regard because people play so differently.

Regardless, people on a public forum are going to have different opinions and they get to share them. If this is undesirable, feedback can always be offered to zos directly without the associated discussion where people can and will voice disagreement.

AScarlato

Calastir wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

We understand what you are asking for. You are asking for less events for everyone because some people have event fatigue. I understand, having had event fatigue before - but for me if I feel that I just don't particpate.

I think the misunderstanding is believing forum strangers are telling you how to play the game. I promise you we aren't invested in your playtime enough to spend time doing that; it's just offering suggestions that might be helpful. Also simply disagreeing really isn't telling anyone how to spend their time; it's a discussion forum so we are allowed to have varying viewpoints.

No, that's not what we're saying. I repeat;

Calastir wrote: »

we ask for other options.

That's it. More options for the same rewards so we can play as we choose, not taking options away from other players.

What are your other option suggestions then to replace Golden Pursuits?

The title of the thread is about "down time" not "other options".

And you repeated multiple times that we are "Telling you how to play" which is mostly what I'm replying to.

SilverBride

It's not as simple as just not participating because of event fatigue. In the past I just did the bare minimum, or didn't participate at all in events when I was feeling fatigued by too many too close together, which worked because we had new stories and zones we could participate in instead.

The difference now is that these Golden Pursuits and Tomes are the "new content". And more tasks just keep coming at a constant pace with no time left to do anything else. Players like to take part in what others are doing and feel like part the community, so it's easier to say " just don't participate" than it is for the player to do so.

AScarlato

SilverBride wrote: »

It's not as simple as just not participating because of event fatigue. In the past I just did the bare minimum, or didn't participate at all in events when I was feeling fatigued by too many too close together, which worked because we had new stories and zones we could participate in instead.

The difference now is that these Golden Pursuits and Tomes are the "new content". And more tasks just keep coming at a constant pace with no time left to do anything else. Players like to take part in what others are doing and feel like part the community, so it's easier to say " just don't participate" than it is for the player to do so.

I think there are two different issues here.

As someone who laments the replacement of Chapters with Season Passes, I also am not thrilled by this being the "content" we are getting until the truly playable content is released.

I still believe having a psychological push to "follow the herd" and do what everyone else is doing is purely personal; especially since many posters here are mostly solo players and don't seem to really care what others are doing in general. It's a little strange to see wanting to be part of the community when most of the complaints have been about needing to group and interact with others.

Kelenan7368

None of it is mandatory. Pick your way to play.

PoveusRonin

Calastir wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

I was not saying the 1000's were opposed to the OP, just pointing out thousands of players are in the game. You cannot have around 50 people decide for those thousands. Silent or not.

lillybit

Calastir wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

To anyone still telling OP what to think/feel/do, the current score is;

1 insightful, 45 agrees, 2 awesome.

I'll round it up, so 50 people out of thousands of players agree. That does not mean all that much. While I won't tell the OP how to think or feel, I don't agree that Everyone else should lose out on activities because 50 players decide there is too much.

Compared to the few folk who oppose OP in this topic, that's not thousands. The majority remains silent but ingame I don't see a lot of enthusiasm in the zone chat either.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, sadly some will never get what we're actually asking for no matter how many times we explain.

We understand what you are asking for. You are asking for less events for everyone because some people have event fatigue. I understand, having had event fatigue before - but for me if I feel that I just don't particpate.

I think the misunderstanding is believing forum strangers are telling you how to play the game. I promise you we aren't invested in your playtime enough to spend time doing that; it's just offering suggestions that might be helpful. Also simply disagreeing really isn't telling anyone how to spend their time; it's a discussion forum so we are allowed to have varying viewpoints.

No, that's not what we're saying. I repeat;

Calastir wrote: »

we ask for other options.

That's it. More options for the same rewards so we can play as we choose, not taking options away from other players.

You can play as you choose, nobody is saying you can't. What you can't do is play as you want and expect all the rewards from all the things you don't want to do too.

Personally there's nothing I refuse to do tho of course I have preferences. I wanted the PvP dyes so jumped in to Cyro even tho it's not my chosen gameplay. It took like 8 years of Mayhem but I got there. I'll go a long way to avoid BG's but I still managed to give it a go at least long enough for the red dye (you probably see the pattern here!)

They're introducing more limited time shinies with the new veterancy thing and I'll probably miss out on those. It sounds like it'll be a full time effort to unlock everything and that's where my personal line is. Other people will decide it's worth it.

You don't have to do anything you don't want to. Only you can say if the rewards are enough for you to go out of your comfort zone. If it's not worth it don't do it. But ZoS can and will introduce events/rewards aimed at encouraging certain playstyles, whether that's groups or PvP or even questing - some find that a chore too. They do it because it works

twisttop138

SilverBride wrote: »

It's not as simple as just not participating because of event fatigue. In the past I just did the bare minimum, or didn't participate at all in events when I was feeling fatigued by too many too close together, which worked because we had new stories and zones we could participate in instead.

The difference now is that these Golden Pursuits and Tomes are the "new content". And more tasks just keep coming at a constant pace with no time left to do anything else. Players like to take part in what others are doing and feel like part the community, so it's easier to say " just don't participate" than it is for the player to do so.

This is not new content, or in fact, content at all. I'll die on that hill. But I don't have to. Who in earth is calling tomes content. Because whoever it is needs a forum ban lol. I play a game where the battle pass rewards are pretty much the thing that is added each season. This seasons content was one boss who may or may not spawn 33% chance. We do not want that here. A battle pass is busywork to keep players engaging on already produced content. I'll say they probably should've just added the ugly face and body markings, the seals and pet to a bonus page of the tome instead of doing busy work-ception by having multiple lists. But to your point, this is not now, nor has ever been, content.

SilverBride

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It's not as simple as just not participating because of event fatigue. In the past I just did the bare minimum, or didn't participate at all in events when I was feeling fatigued by too many too close together, which worked because we had new stories and zones we could participate in instead.

The difference now is that these Golden Pursuits and Tomes are the "new content". And more tasks just keep coming at a constant pace with no time left to do anything else. Players like to take part in what others are doing and feel like part the community, so it's easier to say " just don't participate" than it is for the player to do so.

I think there are two different issues here.

As someone who laments the replacement of Chapters with Season Passes, I also am not thrilled by this being the "content" we are getting until the truly playable content is released.

I still believe having a psychological push to "follow the herd" and do what everyone else is doing is purely personal; especially since many posters here are mostly solo players and don't seem to really care what others are doing in general. It's a little strange to see wanting to be part of the community when most of the complaints have been about needing to group and interact with others.

I agree that following the herd is personal, but it is also a very common for people to want to be part of what others are doing. I spend most of my game time in solo play but I still like to have some of the same experiences that others do.