So I got Trashed by a Nightblade

killedbyping

Gaudrath wrote: »

There is a such a thing as sneaking. Try it. You might also try a low pop campaign. I imagine Auriel's Bow is stock full of gankers hiding in every bush.

Actualy, low populated compaigns are the ones most abused by those Ebonheart pact guys. There all in red colors there..
Sneaking wont help you vs guy with mage ligh who also sneaking under your gates

tawok

Mulk wrote: »

soloing as a non VR player isn't really viable - I mean, if you can avoid VR people you can quest and explore there, and you're perfectly capable of taking down most of the mobs there with the bolstering effect, but if you're looking to pvp sub-50, you really need to link up with people. If you don't want to link up, stay away from the roads and any time you're near anywhere there might be opposition, go into sneak. It will save you a lot of corpse running.

You're right, one sub 50 doesn't make a ton of difference in the long haul. A group of them, though, can take keeps, wipe attackers and so forth. I very rarely pvped in beta as a max level character, so most of my experience was under-leveled. Yeah, it could get frustrating, but at the same time, as the group learned it became more and more fun, more successes to balance out the wipes. Good luck to you.

Thanks for the advice. Some should take note and learn that one is capable of dispensing it without being a condescending prick about it. I'll stick to grouping when I do PVP. Getting ganked running back by max levels with no option to run away is insanely frustrating.

Most people here seem to assume that I was running around crusading solo and expecting to be a wrecking ball. First off, let me say, thank you for taking the time to read my posts. Secondly, that couldn't be farther from the truth. I was grouped up, and trying to help my team defend a keep. It was more than a few occasions where I was targetted and two-shotted within minutes of returning to the battle.

Well I got the advice I wanted, and a lot of ***-y responses as expected. Since EXP is a joke and the rewards for PVPing are on the same level, I'll just pass on it until I need a break from enjoying the real content, they implement a better designed system, or we get real PVP.

Gaudrath

killedbyping wrote: »

Gaudrath wrote: »

There is a such a thing as sneaking. Try it. You might also try a low pop campaign. I imagine Auriel's Bow is stock full of gankers hiding in every bush.

Actualy, low populated compaigns are the ones most abused by those Ebonheart pact guys. There all in red colors there..
Sneaking wont help you vs guy with mage ligh who also sneaking under your gates

Then scout from the wall first. You will see his mage light. He won't see you.

Not sure if you can also jump of a gate wall as I haven't had these problems yet, but I'm pretty sure I saw other people do it, try not going through obvious chokepoints. If you want to farm stuff, try going to enemy territory - for one gankers are unlikely to be there, they'll all be trying to hunt you down in your alliance territory as they'll be expecting people to play it safe and stay within reasonable distance from their spawn points.

Specific quests and skyshards are obviously tougher to get since they know exactly where to wait for people... only recourse is to get a group together and have a little tour.

Yasha

tawok wrote: »

I'm a Dragon Knight, I'm not going to sneak.

What does being a DK have to do with not sneaking?

You say you are a pvp buff, but the only game that has balanced pvp is spvp in GW1&2. In every other game (including WvW in GW2) you get destroyed by higher level or better geared players. There is nothing new here to rage about. If anything it is a comparatively well balanced form of open world pvp.

tawok

Yasha wrote: »

tawok wrote: »

I'm a Dragon Knight, I'm not going to sneak.

What does being a DK have to do with not sneaking?

You say you are a pvp buff, but the only game that has balanced pvp is spvp in GW1&2. In every other game (including WvW in GW2) you get destroyed by higher level or better geared players. There is nothing new here to rage about. If anything it is a comparatively well balanced form of open world pvp.

Warhammer Online danced circles around ESO in the realm of PVP. They had the novel idea that higher level players will always outclass lower players no matter how you balance it, so they implemented this cutting edge strategy of level bracketing the pvp areas. I know, it's crazy.

I'm a DK, I'm not going to sneak. It's pretty cut and dry. If I wanted to sneak around being a tool in the bushes, I would've rolled a leather armor wearing build, most likely a nightblade. I'm a Warrior class, wearing heavy armor, and if you knew anything about The Elder Scrolls, you'd know that combination isn't built for sneaking.

Another useful and constructive post. Keep 'em coming.

Gaudrath

tawok wrote: »

I'm a DK, I'm not going to sneak. It's pretty cut and dry. If I wanted to sneak around being a tool in the bushes, I would've rolled a leather armor wearing build, most likely a nightblade. I'm a Warrior class, wearing heavy armor, and if you knew anything about The Elder Scrolls, you'd know that combination isn't built for sneaking.

Ok, so it's a roleplay thing, right? I can dig that.

If so, what are you doing going around on your own? You're a knight, you belong on the front line with other heavy plate warriors, not somewhere in the middle of nowhere trudging on foot like a common peasant.

Actually, you know what, you're not a knight. You're a man-at-arms. You know. Cannon fodder. Common rabble, with rusty armor and a dull blade. I bet you can't even afford a horse, or if you can, it's one of those lame ones that are only fit for a stew.

So get in line. If there isn't a line, form one. If there is nobody around... wait for your betters to organize something. Maybe, in time, you'll get to call yourself a knight. Until then try not to be caught by one with your breeches flapping in the wind.

Psionyxz

Tawok, if you came here for condolences you won't find many.

People have given you informative and constructive feedback that you just ignored and wrote off without a second thought because they didn't whole-heartedly agree with you.

I'm not saying some of the posts weren't made with the express purpose of pissing you off, but you can't really expect people not to be condescending pricks, when you're being a condescending prick.

Posting completely one-sided QQ posts also doesn't garner the best reactions as people are more likely to flame you.

On to the topic at hand though:
Part of PvPing in ESO at lower levels is finding ways to not get ganked.

There are always alternate paths back to the zerg and if you don't want to zerg then you can do as many have suggested already and group up with some friends to pick off other stragglers.

There are more low lvl pvpers right now than 50's. Chances are the guy you try to pick off, won't be a lvl 50.

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I roll as a healing Templar with a friend that went a predominantly Ardent Flame/Draconic Power build for his Dragonknight. Typically he will try to stay just behind the front lines to pull someone that's out of position and our group disintegrates them. If we're ever caught out in the open he'll Dark Talons and I'll throw some heals while we run away. I know running with a healer isn't always possible or practical but there's enough CC in the game that with a partner you'll have a lot better chance of getting out of a gank situation.

People in the front of the pack typically die first regardless of level. No one can tank 30+ people shooting at them. Even when you're zerging and breaching a keep, try flanking the enemy and picking off the sad saps that think they're being sneaky by trying to flank your group. Even when I'm not grouped with a friend I can almost always find a few people with the same mentality and I can run off to join them instead off sticking with the mindless mass spamming "A" "D" in front of a gate.

Outside of that, I think most of the good examples have already been stated. You just need to read the posts with WAY less bias.

Psionyxz

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Is there a way to delete posts?

poltida

Its good the way it is, they give us a stats boost so we can help around the field, in war, if its your first battle and the commander sends you to the front line, your usualy not going to make it, so keep on the defence at low level and the the veterans run the show, and support them

Skillet

If I want to PvP I'll go back to BF4

tawok

Psionyxz wrote: »

Tawok, if you came here for condolences you won't find many.

People have given you informative and constructive feedback that you just ignored and wrote off without a second thought because they didn't whole-heartedly agree with you.

I'm not saying some of the posts weren't made with the express purpose of pissing you off, but you can't really expect people not to be condescending pricks, when you're being a condescending prick.

Posting completely one-sided QQ posts also doesn't garner the best reactions as people are more likely to flame you.

On to the topic at hand though:
Part of PvPing in ESO at lower levels is finding ways to not get ganked.

There are always alternate paths back to the zerg and if you don't want to zerg then you can do as many have suggested already and group up with some friends to pick off other stragglers.

There are more low lvl pvpers right now than 50's. Chances are the guy you try to pick off, won't be a lvl 50.

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I roll as a healing Templar with a friend that went a predominantly Ardent Flame/Draconic Power build for his Dragonknight. Typically he will try to stay just behind the front lines to pull someone that's out of position and our group disintegrates them. If we're ever caught out in the open he'll Dark Talons and I'll throw some heals while we run away. I know running with a healer isn't always possible or practical but there's enough CC in the game that with a partner you'll have a lot better chance of getting out of a gank situation.

People in the front of the pack typically die first regardless of level. No one can tank 30+ people shooting at them. Even when you're zerging and breaching a keep, try flanking the enemy and picking off the sad saps that think they're being sneaky by trying to flank your group. Even when I'm not grouped with a friend I can almost always find a few people with the same mentality and I can run off to join them instead off sticking with the mindless mass spamming "A" "D" in front of a gate.

Outside of that, I think most of the good examples have already been stated. You just need to read the posts with WAY less bias.

Interesting thought. Why would I read the posts with less bias, when people can't even be arsed to read my posts in the first place? Every single poster here keeps making the blanket assumption that I'm some idiot that runs into a group of 20, by myself, and expect to make an impact. I'm only returning what I receive in kind. If you don't like it, you can *** off with the rest of the pricks that think this is story time.

I started a discussion on the poorly designed nature of our only avenue for PVP being some open world "any level" zone, and it evolved into "get good" and story time.

Please, point out the "constructive feedback" that you're so convinced is abundant in this thread.

Bring on more condescension, stories, and opinions. This thread is informative and filled with brilliant minds making constructive discussion.

tawok

I only went in to Cyrodiil in the first place because I believed the stats were normalized and I would have a fair shot at having some fun. *** me, right?

Gaudrath

tawok wrote: »

I only went in to Cyrodiil in the first place because I believed the stats were normalized and I would have a fair shot at having some fun. *** me, right?

Nah, you just don't want to bother with learning how to play in AvA. I have no troubles you have. Then again, I do not insist on not sneaking, I do not insist that my lvl20 should be competitive with a lvl50+ and do not expect that even a virtual world should conform to my wishes.

If I had a 3:1 kill ratio at lvl15, I don't see why anyone would have a different experience. But then again, I pick my fights. I know I'll get one-two shotted if I get the attention of a high level player. I know I'll get ganked if I get caught in an ambush by myself when running back to the fight.

So I sneak. I hang back and use my bow. I stick with the group. I CC enemies so my group can finish them off. I do everything others have told you to do at low level and it shows.

If you refuse to do one of the most basic things designed to help you survive against odds, which is to stealth your way out/around trouble, you have no right to complain. You have the tools, you refuse to use them, suffer the consequences while the rest of us have the fun you claim is missing from AvA.

NordJitsu

If you're doing PvP before level 50, run with a group or avoid fights. Its really that simple.

thesongoftimeb14_ESO

I am a newbie, and have just recently been in the pvp world for the past few days. I get my ass handed to me plenty, and then there is that long horse ride back to have it happen all over again. Funny thing, I enjoy the horse ride back more than any other part of it. lol A peaceful ride through Cyrodiil on a horse is an amazing experience for me. Guess I am easily entertained, but I win either way. Maybe a year from now, I will rule, no need to rush it.

tawok

Kolur wrote: »

Dude, either quit the game.
Or man up and stop crying cause you're a low level, with low brainpower,*** gear.
And next to no skills.

First off, why did u even fight him alone. With 2-3 other people on TS or other communication systems you could've CC'd him to death.

With skills and brains you would never walk alone Into a WAR zone, (This isn't CoD If u expect a easy as pie PvP. then just quit gaming forever)

You move In groups. And you communicate with your team.
If you don't even try to do anything, then you have no right to *** about it.

And obviously a lvl 50+ guy will win a lvl 14 guy. What would be the point of levels If everyone was equal?

If he could get to 50 then so can you (jk, Im just saying that. With a mindset like yours you'll break down and ragequit before even level 30...)

If I felt the need to constantly berate people on an internet forum as you seem to be overpowered by, I'd quit life. Projecting is a terrible quality. It's ok, I'm sure you feel a lot better. You sure got me!

I'd also recommend brushing up on your formatting, and could use a class on paragraphs alone. I'm not sure why you think each sentence you manage to hack together deserves it's own paragraphs, but I'm sure that's just the tip of your mental illness iceberg. I'll chalk this one up to narcissism, since you seem to love to see(hear) yourself.

Gaudrath wrote: »

tawok wrote: »

I only went in to Cyrodiil in the first place because I believed the stats were normalized and I would have a fair shot at having some fun. *** me, right?

Nah, you just don't want to bother with learning how to play in AvA.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm a 2h wielding, plate wearing warrior. So apparently in this Elder Scrolls, unlike every other title in the series, demands stealthing/sneaking from a plate wearer. I get it. I don't need 10 people to tell me that. /clap

The rest of your comment is yet another story that I don't care to read. Somehow I've managed to actually skim information from this thread, and I thank those of you that managed to deliver it without being narcissistic, condescending pricks.

To the rest of you: This isn't WoW anymore, and the compulsion that we need to be *** to people for the sake of being *** isn't needed and is a trend we need to break now. I'm sorry if I came off as an abrasive and admittedly was an *** myself a few times, but I'm frustrated. /thread

lao

lets see if i got this right.

guy goes to pvp at l14
guy gets stomped by a l50 once.
guy immediately cries cos the game is unfair.

i dont wanna be rude but mentalities like that are widespread among todays mmo generation and its the main reason why all the new games suck because companies unfortunately cater to those ppl which is the biggest mistake beeing made over and over again in the whole genre.

your trying to turn pvp into something casual. pvp is not for casuals and never was and honestly never should be. its supposed to have a very steep learning curve and take massive amounts of dedication, time investment and ofc personal skill to be good at pvp.

if pvp is easy like in modern games it will get boring superfast. get ur character to 50, figure out the optimal build, get the best possible gear for him and THEN go pvp and learn ur class and other classes in and outs. when u did all that and still get 2 shotted u earned the right to complain about balance issues, not before.

Yankee

I spent over 6 years playing on World of Warcraft PVP servers, Nearly the whole world is open PVP. A level 90 can one shot (well, 1/1000 of a shot lol) a level 10 while he is questing, there is no stat adjustment. High levels can camp you, just because.....Yet I still leveled multiple characters to max and loved the game.

I find ESO PVP pretty reasonable since there is at least some stat adjustment for low level players.

Best just do as advised, and stick with a group. Expect to die in PVP at any level. The playing field will even out some as more people reach higher levels.

After you put in the time to reach VR levels you might not think it so great to have no more power than a level 14. You feel the "playing field is not evened out"...well it is not supposed to be.

Orchish

Just because you're a Dragon Knight doesn't mean you do not need to sneak. I've seen entire armies of warriors in full heavy gear rocking huge battle axes sneak. It's a crucial part of gameplay.

I my self am a level 23 Dragon Knight, my role is tank, so i do little dps in comparison, but although i have been destroyed by many,many higher level players. I have also lost to lower levels and my self killed tons and tons of higher levels. If you're not with the zerg or any other allies and just go charging in on your horse/running in blindly, expect to die fast. That's just the way it is.

The suggestion of separating every level is absolutely terrible. Dying is part of the game, if you dislike that then perhaps go back to PvE level your self up a bit more until you feel comfortable with your build. In my opinion, a level 50 should destroy a level 14 in a one on one.

tawok

lao wrote: »

lets see if i got this right.

guy goes to pvp at l14
guy gets stomped by a l50 once.
guy immediately cries cos the game is unfair.

i dont wanna be rude but mentalities like that are widespread among todays mmo generation and its the main reason why all the new games suck because companies unfortunately cater to those ppl which is the biggest mistake beeing made over and over again in the whole genre.

your trying to turn pvp into something casual. pvp is not for casuals and never was and honestly never should be. its supposed to have a very steep learning curve and take massive amounts of dedication, time investment and ofc personal skill to be good at pvp.

if pvp is easy like in modern games it will get boring superfast. get ur character to 50, figure out the optimal build, get the best possible gear for him and THEN go pvp and learn ur class and other classes in and outs. when u did all that and still get 2 shotted u earned the right to complain about balance issues, not before.

Another person that clearly didn't read any of my posts past the OP. Good job, you're foruming right.

/drool

Jonnymorrow

tawok wrote: »

lao wrote: »

lets see if i got this right.

guy goes to pvp at l14
guy gets stomped by a l50 once.
guy immediately cries cos the game is unfair.

i dont wanna be rude but mentalities like that are widespread among todays mmo generation and its the main reason why all the new games suck because companies unfortunately cater to those ppl which is the biggest mistake beeing made over and over again in the whole genre.

your trying to turn pvp into something casual. pvp is not for casuals and never was and honestly never should be. its supposed to have a very steep learning curve and take massive amounts of dedication, time investment and ofc personal skill to be good at pvp.

if pvp is easy like in modern games it will get boring superfast. get ur character to 50, figure out the optimal build, get the best possible gear for him and THEN go pvp and learn ur class and other classes in and outs. when u did all that and still get 2 shotted u earned the right to complain about balance issues, not before.

Another person that clearly didn't read any of my posts past the OP. Good job, you're foruming right.

/drool

Whether he read your other posts or not, I strongly agree with everything he said. PvP in most new mmos is watered down garbage where everything has to be balanced so casuals stand a chance against dedicated players.

I miss the mmo's of old where being at the level cap ment something in pvp.

And to be frank most of your posts here aren't worth reading, your basically just gobbing off at everyone that disagrees with your argument killing all discussion off.

So I guess your foruming right too

Yasha

tawok wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

tawok wrote: »

I'm a Dragon Knight, I'm not going to sneak.

What does being a DK have to do with not sneaking?

You say you are a pvp buff, but the only game that has balanced pvp is spvp in GW1&2. In every other game (including WvW in GW2) you get destroyed by higher level or better geared players. There is nothing new here to rage about. If anything it is a comparatively well balanced form of open world pvp.

Warhammer Online danced circles around ESO in the realm of PVP. They had the novel idea that higher level players will always outclass lower players no matter how you balance it, so they implemented this cutting edge strategy of level bracketing the pvp areas. I know, it's crazy.

I'm a DK, I'm not going to sneak. It's pretty cut and dry. If I wanted to sneak around being a tool in the bushes, I would've rolled a leather armor wearing build, most likely a nightblade. I'm a Warrior class, wearing heavy armor, and if you knew anything about The Elder Scrolls, you'd know that combination isn't built for sneaking.

Another useful and constructive post. Keep 'em coming.

You have to be joking, firstly to say WAR was more balanced than ESO- WAR had a huge gear and level imbalance even with the brackets.

Second, pls l2p before complaining about pvp but refusing to use a basic game mechanic like your take on DK and sneaking. That attitude is for a roleplayer, not a pvper, not to mention that it completely misses the entire point of ESOs class system.

And thirdly, to even suggest that your whine thread "I got owned by a NB even though I rolled the class I read was most OP" is in any way more constructive than the multiple people that have posted to try and help you or criticize you is laughable.

But be my guest keep on having a cry in public you big pvp "buff".

Celdryn

tawok wrote: »

magic_is_might wrote: »

Er, not sure what you expected...? You are 36 levels below him. Which is the way it should be. Higher level players in PvE should be more powerful in PvP than lower level players in PvP. Common sense.

Ok, Mr. Condescending, explain this. Why the hell would I waste time ever doing PVP before level 50, if it's a complete waste of time?

Thats not true at all. Yeah, that one guy beat you down but you will find plenty of others out there that are well within your ability to kill and compete with.

Mantiss

PvP = Competitive, some need/want that edge handed to them on a platter. They also need participation ribbons for everything they do in life. I personally love that ESO isn't making the idea of levels and effort put into a character trivial by over-scaling low levels in PvP.

Not everyone can win all the time in PvP, sorry OP you might need to actually play the game to compete against high level/skilled players.

Custos91

won a 1 vs 2 on my lvl 19 templar this morning against a nightblade and a sorc who were lvl 30... I think I bored them to death with healing and dodging crystal shards^^

explicitdeedsb14_ESO

I am level 12 and have no problem accumulating the 20 kills/assists in the PvP. I am also a Dragon Knight for the Daggerfall Covenant within The Border Wardens (based in Chrysamere if your interested).

I have no problem with sneaking as a "Dragon Night". Just last night me and my guild mate ran down and killed a straggler only to see his backup cresting over a hill. I couldn't mount due to some "In Battle Unable To Mount" issue, so I cleverly hid behind a ruin while they ran right by in pursuit. My friend managed to escape via horseback.

joshisanonymous

Baneberry wrote: »

Stuns are another issue... seems like there no diminishing returns, and with the damage how it is, its more often then not that you are stunned from full to dead.

I'm sorry, but you have no idea how the mechanics of the game work. I'm being a bit harsh here because it's best that you feel embarrassed enough that you stop misinforming people on the forums.

You become completely immune to all hard CC when the effect ends, you'll see swirling lines around your feet indicating this. Furthermore, Hard CCs can always be broken by clicking the right then left mouse buttons together. Roots can be broken even easier by just dodging. There are also a plethora of easily accessible CC counters.

For the OP, I really thought you were joking at first. Of course you died and didn't stand a chance, as others have mentioned, you're 36 levels under the other player. If you were superb and the other player was a complete clutz you'd probably have a shot, otherwise, it really should go how it did. Why participate in PvP then? Because there's a whole big war going on, most of which doesn't involve having to duel people, which is the only time you're at a big disadvantage.

NordJitsu

This is open world PvP. Not an Arena where everything is supposed to be equal. There are going to be players out there you can easily beat, players who are a tough fight, and players who can stomp you without a second thought.

My recommendation is, if you're not a true-50, run away when you see someone with the star (Vet Rank) unless you have a large group.

Use that stealth mechanic.

TeliosMadronin

tawok wrote: »

If this goes unchecked, Cyrodiil will become a 50s only playing field.

This is a natural evolution for an open AvAvA environment.

Lower skilled players will have ways of helping through scouting, support roles, or being a diversion. Will they make amazing front line fighters? lol no. But that doesn't mean they cant play smart and learn the mechanics while helping.

SuperScrubby

PvP scaling is garbage in this game. Since it doesn't scale your armor or weapon damage very well. People saying its like a lvl 50 with weak gear. It's not even that. At 33 the armor rating is 1100 and its overcharged. When I go into Cyrodil my armor gets reduced to 800 to "match" a lvl 50? No that's dumb, that's not proper scaling then. Who am I matching by reducing my armor? I'm wearing 5 pieces of heavy and it basically reduces me to someone wearing light armor.

SWTOR scaled well. all the way to lvl 50 you were scaled and could actually stay on par with people higher level than you due to the stats and skills scaling properly. While SWTOR's pvp wasn't amazing by any standard they did scaling properly to allow lower level players at least keep up with higher levels. It came down to whoever had a better rotation, which is no different than this game. Most of the time you open with a skill or another and then rotate until you or the other person dies. Of course knowing which skills to slot I guess is where "player skill" come into play as well as placement, but 85% of the time I've hit keys 1-5 in almost the same order to win. I'm fine with that, but by no means would I consider the PvP to be earth shattering. As long as its fun, which it is.

I will say that pvp does get better with levels in this game due to stat points. I noticed that by investing heavily in my passives it gave me a pretty big advantage. I don't think I have really been killed by anyone lower level than me since I hit my 30's due to that fact. Unless it was in some huge group.

But I don't think there's as much skill as people make it out to be in pvp. The more skill points you have and the further down a skill tree you are to use those skills make a huge difference, which pale in comparison to a lvl 50. So unless that lvl 50 is terribad you'll get roflstomped anyday of the week.