So I got Trashed by a Nightblade

tawok

He was level 50, I'm level 14. I was two shotted. I can't help but feel like the playing field isn't exactly evened out. Suffice to say, I was immediately turned off from PVPing today. I'm disappointed I'm not even afforded the opportunity to run away.

Edit: It's worth mentioning I'm a Dragon Knight wearing heavy armor. It's not like I'm wearing a dress.

Baneberry

As far as I can tell, Damage is OUT OF CONTROL in pvp. Barely any time to react to anything if you are attacked by more then 1 person. In any kind of a 1 on fight healing seems to be useless... or am I just doing it wrong?

Stuns are another issue... seems like there no diminishing returns, and with the damage how it is, its more often then not that you are stunned from full to dead.

NordJitsu

You were level 14 and he was level 50. You're lucky it took two shots.

ZiRM

It will be a loooong time before I even think about PvPing. Hopefully they will have balance by then?

Sharee

Players under level 50 are currently normalized to a power level of about level 49 with weak equipment and all stats distributed evenly between health/magicka/stamina.

The jump in power from a natural level 49 to natural level 50 is immense. I believe the devs are aware of this and are working on a better system.

Leggit

i had a lvl 28 player try to gank me at lvl 17 and i ripped him a new 1 so i think ppl need to let things bed down a little

Censorious

Meh, I expect to get killed. It doesn't hurt my pride any (although it can get frustrating if it keeps happening)

Don't get discouraged, the practice at low level is worth the pain. When all those suckers ding 50 and decide now is the time to 'go PvP', you'll get your reward.

rotiferuk

OP, PvP does not need balancing. Cyrodiil is a war zone and supposed to be chaotic and dangerous. I'm level 15 and have lost count of the number of times I have been killed. I still keep going back for more. The trick is to sneak and think what you are doing rather than go charging in. I use ranged weapons, try to stay on the periphery of battles and keep moving. I'm improving.....slowly:-}

Jonnymorrow

Sharee wrote: »

Players under level 50 are currently normalized to a power level of about level 49 with weak equipment and all stats distributed evenly between health/magicka/stamina.

The jump in power from a natural level 49 to natural level 50 is immense. I believe the devs are aware of this and are working on a better system.

I don't see what's wrong with the current system. A true level 50 should be stronger than lower levelled people. Give people a reason to level up, not just get level 10 then be as strong as your ever be in pvp.

Lazarus_Long

rotiferuk wrote: »

...have lost count of the number of times I have been killed...

I never ever tried counting. I would get depressed by that number. Instead I focus on how successful my group is at achieving our chosen objectives.

"Do or die, semper fi" might sound corny for a video game but it is the attitude I am taking while trying to learn all there is to know about PvP. It's not about me at all. It's about my party first, my alliance second, and my guild third.

Dunhilda

He would of had more skill points ( Is it skill points?) and mostly had some passives, you're scaled to level 49 with the stat points you have the same about as Skill points as a level 14 he would of had a skill point for every level he had( he would of had 36 more than you perhaps more due to Skyshard)


Level up some more leveling by PvP is now hard once level 50 return.

tawok

NordJitsu wrote: »

You were level 14 and he was level 50. You're lucky it took two shots.

No need to intentionally miss my point.

Why the hell would I want to PVP then? If the only avenue for me to PVP is this massive 10-50 zone where it's commonplace for someone under level 50 to get 1-2 shotted, I'll just pass on PVP entirely until I make it to 50. Perhaps they need to seperate the campaigns a little bit, based on level. I love to PVP, always have in every MMO I've played, but that's just poor design. If this goes unchecked, Cyrodiil will become a 50s only playing field.

I only went in to Cyrodiil in the first place because I believed the stats were normalized and I would have a fair shot at having some fun. *** me, right?

tawok

Censorious wrote: »

Meh, I expect to get killed. It doesn't hurt my pride any (although it can get frustrating if it keeps happening)

Don't get discouraged, the practice at low level is worth the pain. When all those suckers ding 50 and decide now is the time to 'go PvP', you'll get your reward.

Don't get me wrong. I wholly expect to get killed. But I also expected a more level playing field where I could actually pull some weight and have a little fun.

rotiferuk wrote: »

OP, PvP does not need balancing. Cyrodiil is a war zone and supposed to be chaotic and dangerous. I'm level 15 and have lost count of the number of times I have been killed. I still keep going back for more. The trick is to sneak and think what you are doing rather than go charging in. I use ranged weapons, try to stay on the periphery of battles and keep moving. I'm improving.....slowly:-}

We shall see your tune change when you constantly get ganked by level 50s, you're having no fun, and you're basically dead weight. I'm a Dragon Knight, I'm not going to sneak.

Jonnymorrow wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Players under level 50 are currently normalized to a power level of about level 49 with weak equipment and all stats distributed evenly between health/magicka/stamina.

The jump in power from a natural level 49 to natural level 50 is immense. I believe the devs are aware of this and are working on a better system.

I don't see what's wrong with the current system. A true level 50 should be stronger than lower levelled people. Give people a reason to level up, not just get level 10 then be as strong as your ever be in pvp.

Absolutely, I don't disagree that a max level character should be stronger than a lower level one. What I hope we can agree on, is that if Cyrodiil is the only avenue to PVP, and we're not afforded bracketed battlegrounds, then it needs a little balancing. Otherwise, why would someone under level 50 even want to waste their time being cannon fodder?

Look, I'm not asking to be able to school a level 50. I'm just asking for a fair shake at having some PVP fun. I'm a huge PVP buff, always have been. I'd be greatly disappointed if this is "working as intended". If I wanted to get griefed, I'd play Warcraft on a PVP server.

Like I said above... I only went in to Cyrodiil in the first place because I believed the stats were normalized and I would have a fair shot at having some fun. *** me, right?

rotiferuk

tawok

"We shall see your tune change when you constantly get ganked by level 50s, you're having no fun, and you're basically dead weight. I'm a Dragon Knight, I'm not going to sneak."

I get ganked a lot and not just by level fifties. I don't care. I'm having fun and treat it as a learning experience. As for sneaking, it's part of all ES games and something you really need to take on board if you want to survive more than 30 seconds. BTW, I'm a DK too and I sneak all the time.

rotiferuk

Lazarus_Long

Lazarus_Long wrote: »

rotiferuk wrote: »

...have lost count of the number of times I have been killed...

I never ever tried counting. I would get depressed by that number. Instead I focus on how successful my group is at achieving our chosen objectives.
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I'm surprised by how much of a buzz there is from (for example) helping to hold a keep or take a resource. Especially if you avoid dying in the process.

Lazarus_Long wrote: »

"Do or die, semper fi" might sound corny for a video game but it is the attitude I am taking while trying to learn all there is to know about PvP. It's not about me at all. It's about my party first, my alliance second, and my guild third.

Exactly.

SirAndy

tawok wrote: »

I'm a Dragon Knight wearing heavy armor. It's not like I'm wearing a dress.

Your armor means nothing in Cyrodiil (until you get past level 50). At your current level, your stats in Cyrodiil will be exactly the same if you run around naked.
;-)

tammuz30b14_ESO

a level 50 should be able to kill a level 14 quickly, this is part of character advancement in an "open world" pvp format

Caelinus

A friend and I were running about in PVP in a group of 5 behind enemy lines, he was 15 and I was 22. I was the highest level, and the lowest was level 11. We set up an ambush, and in our first run probably killed 30 people (I finished my kill 20 quest and then was out there a while longer) in short order before the enemies set up siege equipment at the base of the hill we were hiding on to flush us out.

If you are low level, you are weaker than high levels, and as a weaker combatant, your only tactically sound option is guerrilla warfare, or a massive numerical advantage. Preferably both.

Discrepancies in training and skill are nothing new to combat, and there is no need for Zenimax to knee jerk remove that. Eventually most people will be 50+ naturally. Until then we can just fight smarter.

I feel like those who are complaining about this are using civil war tactics. Running full speed into an enemy firing line.

Samadhi

tawok wrote: »

...If the only avenue for me to PVP is this massive 10-50 zone where it's commonplace for someone under level 50 to get 1-2 shotted, I'll just pass on PVP entirely until I make it to 50. ...

If those are your feelings, perhaps you should just pass on PvP entirely until you make it to 50.

Your OP says you died once to another player that was higher level than you.
How is dying once such a completely game-breaking experience to you?

I've been PvPing for several hours daily since the first day of Early Access, as well as during the Beta tests. The highest level I have been at any point is 22. I have been facing VR players for quite a few days now, as a handful of players decided to rush endgame before PvPing.
I've been enjoying the whole experience, and I do not find myself dying too quickly or anything, provided I properly time my buff and skill usage.
My girl who started playing ESO with me also loves the entire Cyrodiil experience -- so much so that it is hard to convince her to go back to PvE anymore. She normally dislikes PvP, so ESO winning her over speaks volumes to me.

Play smart, learn from the situations and develop your skills as you go.

Raubrey

Nightblades can be formidable if the player is skilled. Simply being a DragonKnight isn't the I-Win button some people seem to think it is.

adiwantinova

tawok wrote: »

He was level 50, I'm level 14. I was two shotted.

QFE.

magic_is_might

Er, not sure what you expected...? You are 36 levels below him. Which is the way it should be. Higher level players in PvE should be more powerful in PvP than lower level players in PvP. Common sense.

tawok

magic_is_might wrote: »

Er, not sure what you expected...? You are 36 levels below him. Which is the way it should be. Higher level players in PvE should be more powerful in PvP than lower level players in PvP. Common sense.

Ok, Mr. Condescending, explain this. Why the hell would I waste time ever doing PVP before level 50, if it's a complete waste of time?

tawok

Samadhi wrote: »

tawok wrote: »

...If the only avenue for me to PVP is this massive 10-50 zone where it's commonplace for someone under level 50 to get 1-2 shotted, I'll just pass on PVP entirely until I make it to 50. ...

If those are your feelings, perhaps you should just pass on PvP entirely until you make it to 50.

Your OP says you died once to another player that was higher level than you.
How is dying once such a completely game-breaking experience to you?

I've been PvPing for several hours daily since the first day of Early Access, as well as during the Beta tests. The highest level I have been at any point is 22. I have been facing VR players for quite a few days now, as a handful of players decided to rush endgame before PvPing.
I've been enjoying the whole experience, and I do not find myself dying too quickly or anything, provided I properly time my buff and skill usage.
My girl who started playing ESO with me also loves the entire Cyrodiil experience -- so much so that it is hard to convince her to go back to PvE anymore. She normally dislikes PvP, so ESO winning her over speaks volumes to me.

Play smart, learn from the situations and develop your skills as you go.

Good for you. Cool story.

rotiferuk

tawok wrote: »

magic_is_might wrote: »

Er, not sure what you expected...? You are 36 levels below him. Which is the way it should be. Higher level players in PvE should be more powerful in PvP than lower level players in PvP. Common sense.

Ok, Mr. Condescending, explain this. Why the hell would I waste time ever doing PVP before level 50, if it's a complete waste of time?

It's not a waste of time, you can still help the group get kills and you learn what you should/ should not do if you want to stay alive.As i have said before, you need to sneak, stay on the edge of the fight and snipe. I use a staff. If it looks like you are about to get mobbed, sneak away and hide. There are plenty of low level players in PvP. Once they are in a mob their level does not matter so much.

Samadhi

tawok wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

tawok wrote: »

...If the only avenue for me to PVP is this massive 10-50 zone where it's commonplace for someone under level 50 to get 1-2 shotted, I'll just pass on PVP entirely until I make it to 50. ...

If those are your feelings, perhaps you should just pass on PvP entirely until you make it to 50.

Your OP says you died once to another player that was higher level than you.
How is dying once such a completely game-breaking experience to you?

I've been PvPing for several hours daily since the first day of Early Access, as well as during the Beta tests. The highest level I have been at any point is 22. I have been facing VR players for quite a few days now, as a handful of players decided to rush endgame before PvPing.
I've been enjoying the whole experience, and I do not find myself dying too quickly or anything, provided I properly time my buff and skill usage.
My girl who started playing ESO with me also loves the entire Cyrodiil experience -- so much so that it is hard to convince her to go back to PvE anymore. She normally dislikes PvP, so ESO winning her over speaks volumes to me.

Play smart, learn from the situations and develop your skills as you go.

Good for you. Cool story.

Thank you, hope you liked it as much as I like PvPing in Cyrodiil.

Gaudrath

tawok wrote: »

magic_is_might wrote: »

Er, not sure what you expected...? You are 36 levels below him. Which is the way it should be. Higher level players in PvE should be more powerful in PvP than lower level players in PvP. Common sense.

Ok, Mr. Condescending, explain this. Why the hell would I waste time ever doing PVP before level 50, if it's a complete waste of time?

I'm level 18 and this is what I do to not get two shotted - I don't get into duels. I sneak around and pick off stragglers at range with other would-be ambushers. I help with the sieges and defense.

You can be quite effective. Maybe you won't be two shotting anyone with your common quality bow, but your CC skills, for example, work just fine. Make them eat dirt and let your buddies chop them up. Stick with a group. When alone, sneak a lot.

Trust me, you'll be racking in way more kills than deaths, just don't act like you're top dog because you're not. You're a foot soldier, not a knight, for now. And foot soldiers stick together, trip knights up and use a knife while two others are holding them down, and shoot fleeing enemies in the back. They don't play fair because they can't afford to.

killedbyping

Simple question about PVP balance. Why there are no different instances for different player levels ? There is really no point to go into Cyrodiil while you can be smashed with 1-2 hits by high lvl players. And this high lvl players actualy abuse this situation. Look at the EU megaserver compaings. Some number of players overwhelmed Ebonheart pact, abuse pvp fast grinding to become veterans in less then a week and now they controll all map on most on the compaigns.
You cant even try to explore Cyrodiil for Skyshards or PVE content since this guys now abusing they high lvl by camping enemys near to their starting locations.
You come out of your home town and almost instantly got smashed.

ozmorgudduth

Complaining about being ripped apart by a player that has more skill points in one passive tree than you have together in all class trees is a joke right? Normalised hp/s/m have no comparison to what lvl 50 offers in skills... But you can occasionally catch someone with his hands down his bag... Play smart until 50 and after...

Gaudrath

killedbyping wrote: »

Simple question about PVP balance. Why there are no different instances for different player levels ? There is really no point to go into Cyrodiil while you can be smashed with 1-2 hits by high lvl players. And this high lvl players actualy abuse this situation. Look at the EU megaserver compaings. Some number of players overwhelmed Ebonheart pact, abuse pvp fast grinding to become veterans in less then a week and now they controll all map on most on the compaigns.
You cant even try to explore Cyrodiil for Skyshards or PVE content since this guys now abusing they high lvl by camping enemys near to their starting locations.
You come out of your home town and almost instantly got smashed.

There is a such a thing as sneaking. Try it. You might also try a low pop campaign. I imagine Auriel's Bow is stock full of gankers hiding in every bush.

Mulk

soloing as a non VR player isn't really viable - I mean, if you can avoid VR people you can quest and explore there, and you're perfectly capable of taking down most of the mobs there with the bolstering effect, but if you're looking to pvp sub-50, you really need to link up with people. If you don't want to link up, stay away from the roads and any time you're near anywhere there might be opposition, go into sneak. It will save you a lot of corpse running.

You're right, one sub 50 doesn't make a ton of difference in the long haul. A group of them, though, can take keeps, wipe attackers and so forth. I very rarely pvped in beta as a max level character, so most of my experience was under-leveled. Yeah, it could get frustrating, but at the same time, as the group learned it became more and more fun, more successes to balance out the wipes. Good luck to you.