ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Hey everyone, we've all been aware for a while now just how pitiful these types of sets can be, if you're not sure what i mean, i mean sets like these:
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Let me know what you think.
The sets are far from useless, even if you or your circle of friends personally prefer other sets for your builds. They can really buff a build if it specializes in those specific damage types or plays well with those set bonuses.
650+ sets in the game, and every single one of them have a potential build that would really benefit from them. With every possible effective build combination you could make from all the choices of sets available, let alone skills, cp, etc., you end up with over 7 Billion (yes billion with a B ) of them, and that was before update 34. It's much higher now.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »...
Let me know what you think.
tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »The changes you suggested sound great, if not the exact numbers, then the general idea.
The issue with a set like Netch's Touch giving 600 Spell Damage for shock damage is that even a full-shock build would deal more damage with a different set. I think it's a mistake when people use these for theme builds just because they say "shock damage", when even a set like Order's Wrath would be better, let alone a meta or trial set applied to the same build.
To make "pure" damage types better, we could use more sets that deal damage or give a buff each time you deal 3 instances of shock damage (with a short cooldown), so that it doesn't just buff one damage type, but rewards you for committing all-in.
Edit: Typo.
Finedaible wrote: »I don't believe the Deep Dive bit about sets being designed for the content which they came from. That is either a very recent addition to their development process or they just never stuck to that plan these last 10 years. There's Sword-Singer and Sword Dancer which have the exact same stats except they buff different stamina weapon lines, and one is from a dungeon and the other is from overland.
Also some of the sets like Swamp Raider don't buff your light attack damage since there's no weapons that deal poison or disease, so they really aren't a good choice at all when you could use something that buffs everything. War Maiden found its niche uses in PvP because of how abundant Magic damage is within skills but only buffs light attack of restoration staves ironically.
The sets are far from useless, even if you or your circle of friends personally prefer other sets for your builds. They can really buff a build if it specializes in those specific damage types or plays well with those set bonuses.
650+ sets in the game, and every single one of them have a potential build that would really benefit from them. With every possible effective build combination you could make from all the choices of sets available, let alone skills, cp, etc., you end up with over 7 Billion (yes billion with a B ) of them, and that was before update 34. It's much higher now.
The sets are far from useless, even if you or your circle of friends personally prefer other sets for your builds. They can really buff a build if it specializes in those specific damage types or plays well with those set bonuses.
The sets are far from useless, even if you or your circle of friends personally prefer other sets for your builds. They can really buff a build if it specializes in those specific damage types or plays well with those set bonuses.
I wish that were the case, but at the moment they really aren't that great even for specialized builds. I quickly tried a setup that mostly deals Shock Damage against a couple of unbuffed 3M dummies and my DPS was better with Order's Wrath than with Netch's Touch. If a basic 3-trait crafted set outperforms a 'specialized' set such as Netch's Touch, the latter could really use a buff.
For reference, these were my results:
Sadly, the images in the opening post don't work for me at the moment, but from what I remember I really liked them. The added chance to proc status effects was cool, and giving extra Weapon and Spell Damage to certain sets seems warranted as well.
Edit: Okay, so with one extra skill that dealt Shock Damage (I used the Skeletal Arcanist instead of Skeletal Archer this time) my DPS with Netch's Touch and Order's Wrath was pretty similar. But still - if a player uses a build that goes all-in on Shock Damage and uses inferior morphs because of it, I'd say Netch's Touch should really benefit such a build more than it does at the moment.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »The sets are far from useless, even if you or your circle of friends personally prefer other sets for your builds. They can really buff a build if it specializes in those specific damage types or plays well with those set bonuses.
I wish that were the case, but at the moment they really aren't that great even for specialized builds. I quickly tried a setup that mostly deals Shock Damage against a couple of unbuffed 3M dummies and my DPS was better with Order's Wrath than with Netch's Touch. If a basic 3-trait crafted set outperforms a 'specialized' set such as Netch's Touch, the latter could really use a buff.
For reference, these were my results:
Sadly, the images in the opening post don't work for me at the moment, but from what I remember I really liked them. The added chance to proc status effects was cool, and giving extra Weapon and Spell Damage to certain sets seems warranted as well.
Edit: Okay, so with one extra skill that dealt Shock Damage (I used the Skeletal Arcanist instead of Skeletal Archer this time) my DPS with Netch's Touch and Order's Wrath was pretty similar. But still - if a player uses a build that goes all-in on Shock Damage and uses inferior morphs because of it, I'd say Netch's Touch should really benefit such a build more than it does at the moment.
yeah im noticing more and more than discord links break extremely often on my posts, i've saved all of these images to my drive and uploaded them manually. hopefully they stick. sorry about the broken pictures.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »The sets are far from useless, even if you or your circle of friends personally prefer other sets for your builds. They can really buff a build if it specializes in those specific damage types or plays well with those set bonuses.
I wish that were the case, but at the moment they really aren't that great even for specialized builds. I quickly tried a setup that mostly deals Shock Damage against a couple of unbuffed 3M dummies and my DPS was better with Order's Wrath than with Netch's Touch. If a basic 3-trait crafted set outperforms a 'specialized' set such as Netch's Touch, the latter could really use a buff.
For reference, these were my results:
Sadly, the images in the opening post don't work for me at the moment, but from what I remember I really liked them. The added chance to proc status effects was cool, and giving extra Weapon and Spell Damage to certain sets seems warranted as well.
Edit: Okay, so with one extra skill that dealt Shock Damage (I used the Skeletal Arcanist instead of Skeletal Archer this time) my DPS with Netch's Touch and Order's Wrath was pretty similar. But still - if a player uses a build that goes all-in on Shock Damage and uses inferior morphs because of it, I'd say Netch's Touch should really benefit such a build more than it does at the moment.
yeah im noticing more and more than discord links break extremely often on my posts, i've saved all of these images to my drive and uploaded them manually. hopefully they stick. sorry about the broken pictures.
It's weird that the images break often. For me, the same thing happened to the images in your previous (awesome) post about improving underperforming skill lines on the PTS forums. The strange thing is that I could still see those images when I opened the post on my phone instead of PC though.
Thanks for uploading the images in this post again by the way. Now that I see the values you used again, I think they're quite nice. I reckon some of those updated sets would outperform Order's Wrath when used by specialized setups at least.
Finedaible wrote: »Honestly I would have like to have seen this kind of elemental/skill specialization from the Champion Point system. It's unfortunate that they couldn't have done something more creative with CP.
El_Borracho wrote: »@Stx War Maiden was a good set before hybridization. Ran it on a Templar with Soutshine and it put out a lot of damage.