We have been asking for....

Pixiepumpkin · April 19

....the ability to deconstruct furniture.

If ZOS servers can not handle the additional data required for a furnishing bag (which is why I assume we are getting the vault), why not instead just allow for us to deconstruct furniture?

• This has been a requested feature since housing released as evidence of a forum search for "deconstruct furniture".
• This would reduce data load on servers.
• The deconstructed materials would go into the craft bag.
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.

Part of what we pay for as customers is continued development. People have been asking for the abilty to deconstruct furniture since housing was implemented. Those folks had forsight to realize the issues we would eventually be facing with furniture. This should have been nipped in the bud way back in the day and not allowed it to metastasize into the issue that has plagued the housing community (arguably some of the biggest spenders in game) that it has become.

EDIT:
AI Art for visual inspiration/eye candy to inspire debate in the thread. This image is not meant to inpsire the look of an actual "Furniture Deconstruction Table".

[edited for baiting]

DenverRalphy · April 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

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• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
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I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Pixiepumpkin · April 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

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• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

Orbital78 · April 19

People have been asking for spell crafting forever. Between Scribing and subclassing, that is probably the closest we will get.

Artim_X · April 19

Maormer (high elf passives), Naga (argonian passives), and some of the alternative Khajiit types should be included as playable races.

SilverIce58 · April 19

I agree. Furniture deconstruction is the best way to deal with excess furniture as many of these items are hardly worth anything on the traders. This should be the next feature regarding housing.

Edit: I only agree that we need furniture deconstruction. It would have to come with something else as this would just be a small feature, and not a major selling point. But, an update to housing with a bunch of features including deconstruction would be great.

DenverRalphy · April 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

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• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

Cooperharley · April 19

There is no world, in my opinion, where simply allowing for the deconstruction of furniture equates to a release as big as subclassing. It'd be a welcome feature for sure, but they are not going to sell virtually anywhere near the same amount of year content passes for that.

Again, it'd be cool and i'd love that, but the comparison there is bewildering.

LunaFlora · April 19

Furniture Deconstruction would be nice sure, but it just is not comparable to Subclassing.

xylena_lazarow · April 19

I've been asking for subclassing (or something similar) for years, no interest in furniture.

AlwaysDancing · April 19

Furniture deconstruction would be a nice QoL upgrade, but should never be considered a feature.

And AI art is absolutely not inspiring. Art created by an actual human being is inspirational.

virtus753 · April 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Gear doesn’t drop furnishing mats because furnishing mats are not used to make gear.

But dropped gear does give base mats, style mats, and trait mats - none of which we put in to the dropped gear, but which would have been required had we crafted the item. That is the game’s way of giving back the time we spent acquiring the dropped gear.

(ETA: we also get back mats from bound gear, so that’s not an exception.)

Antiquity furnishings likewise require time, not mats - time to get the lead and time to dig it up. On the analogy of dropped gear, they would give back mats that would have been required to craft those items had we made them, which includes furnishing mats.

DenverRalphy · April 19

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

Reginald_leBlem · April 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

So? Again, farmed gear drops mats. Not a 1-1 for how much it costs to make, but some. Really no reason furniture can't operate the same way.

spartaxoxo · April 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

That's just because there's no furnishing passives. The amount required to make gear is a lot too. You can also deconstruct gold gear and get gold mats, which are rarer.

There's no reason to treat deconstructing furniture any different to deconstructing gear, IMO

DenverRalphy · April 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

That's just because there's no furnishing passives. The amount required to make gear is a lot too. You can also deconstruct gold gear and get gold mats, which are rarer.

There's no reason to treat deconstructing furniture any different to deconstructing gear, IMO

I never said I was against deconstructing furnishings. I only said that if it ever comes to pass, that it'd likely only be for craftable gear and not bound/antiquities/crown-purchased furnishings. And I was emphasizing why crafted gear should be deconstructed to get a return on the mats.

Bound gear from dungeons/trials are technically only semi-bound. The only reason for the bound state is to limit who gets to keep the final product. Bound furnishings are bound for an entirely different reason.

spartaxoxo · April 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

That's just because there's no furnishing passives. The amount required to make gear is a lot too. You can also deconstruct gold gear and get gold mats, which are rarer.

There's no reason to treat deconstructing furniture any different to deconstructing gear, IMO

I never said I was against deconstructing furnishings. I only said that if it ever comes to pass, that it'd likely only be for crafted gear and not bound/antiquities/crown-purchased furnishings. And I was emphasizing why crafted gear should be deconstructed to get a return on the mats.

...which would be treating deconstructing furniture different to different deconstructing gear.

You can farm and deconstruct gear. I don't agree you should be unable to deconstruct farmed furniture.

MoonPile · April 19

I agree with the premise of decon, and agree, @AlwaysDancing - the inclusion of "AI" imagery is unfortunate. Many of us in housing are in the arts outside of this game: I would rather not to see the thing that was developed on my peers' stolen work, actively making our careers worse in every way, is incredibly environmentally damaging, and is engendered primarily by companies/billionaires whose primary goal is not to help regular people, but to profit even more.

DenverRalphy · April 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

That's just because there's no furnishing passives. The amount required to make gear is a lot too. You can also deconstruct gold gear and get gold mats, which are rarer.

There's no reason to treat deconstructing furniture any different to deconstructing gear, IMO

I never said I was against deconstructing furnishings. I only said that if it ever comes to pass, that it'd likely only be for crafted gear and not bound/antiquities/crown-purchased furnishings. And I was emphasizing why crafted gear should be deconstructed to get a return on the mats.

...which would be treating deconstructing furniture different to different deconstructing gear.

You can farm and deconstruct gear. I don't agree you should be unable to deconstruct farmed furniture.

Sure you can farm and deconstruct gear. But when was the last time you saw gear dropping that yields mats anywhere near as valuable as furnishing mats? Yeah sure, you can get a gold mat from deconstructing gold gear. But I don't see gold gear dropping anywhere that you can farm it.

There's simply no way ZOS will ever allow a mechanic that can be exploited for real world currency.

Jimbru · April 19

Yep. Subclassing is yet another BLEEPing thing that we did not ask for, along with scribing, Tales of Tribute, the Infinite Archive et al. Meanwhile, the things we have wanted for years are still being ignored. Oh, they're finally giving us more furniture storage? Do they even understand housing? Many of us have several entire houses that are just warehouses and our home chests already full; 500 slots is not NEARLY enough. Why are we still giving ZOS our money?

spartaxoxo · April 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

There is a 40% chance of getting heartwood or mundane rune from their respective nodes in the wild. They are not exactly a rare resource.

Note that I did not say rare. I said precious. Sure the furnishiing mats are relatively common drops. But the amount they drop compared to how much is required to craft furnishings makes them noticeably valuable. Thus precious.

That's just because there's no furnishing passives. The amount required to make gear is a lot too. You can also deconstruct gold gear and get gold mats, which are rarer.

There's no reason to treat deconstructing furniture any different to deconstructing gear, IMO

I never said I was against deconstructing furnishings. I only said that if it ever comes to pass, that it'd likely only be for crafted gear and not bound/antiquities/crown-purchased furnishings. And I was emphasizing why crafted gear should be deconstructed to get a return on the mats.

...which would be treating deconstructing furniture different to different deconstructing gear.

You can farm and deconstruct gear. I don't agree you should be unable to deconstruct farmed furniture.

Sure you can farm and deconstruct gear. But when was the last time you saw gear dropping that yields mats anywhere near as valuable as furnishing mats? Yeah sure, you can get a gold mat from deconstructing gold gear. But I don't see gold gear dropping anywhere that you can farm it.

There's simply no way ZOS will ever allow a mechanic that can be exploited for real world currency.

We can farm gold and that's exploited for real world currency.

Also, if the mats became more abundant the price would go down which would make them LESS exploitable for real world currency.

Pixiepumpkin · April 19

AlwaysDancing wrote: »

Furniture deconstruction would be a nice QoL upgrade, but should never be considered a feature.

And AI art is absolutely not inspiring. Art created by an actual human being is inspirational.

MoonPile wrote: »

I agree with the premise of decon, and agree, @AlwaysDancing - the inclusion of "AI" imagery is unfortunate. Many of us in housing are in the arts outside of this game: I would rather not to see the thing that was developed on my peers' stolen work, actively making our careers worse in every way, is incredibly environmentally damaging, and is engendered primarily by companies/billionaires whose primary goal is not to help regular people, but to profit even more.

You are both reading more meaning into this than is necessary.

By "inspiration" I mean to inspire debate in this thread, not as inspiration for the actual furnishing table. Think of it as "advertising". Pictures sell, marketing 101.

Secondly, Moonpie, I am an artist/designer by trade and AI art has its place. For one, AI amalgamates different ideas into a visual medium that far surpasses in most cases what most humans come up with. It's a tool, how its used as a tool is the determination on how it affects artists.

By your logic Maya, Photoshop, After Effects, anything inside of Substance 3D, Z Brush, CorralDRAW, and the rest of the entire list of computer software that exists to make models/art, should also be brushed off as environmentally damaging, especially for what they have done to traditional media such as pen and paper, oil, acrylic and on and on.

Don't confuse the tool for the person wielding it.

katanagirl1 · April 21

I think the intention of calling AI environmentally damaging is because it requires vast amounts of computing resources and energy to produce. It’s a huge money sink too, potentially diverting monetary resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

Elvenheart · April 21

What about simply making it so that deconstructing antiquities just drops regular mats but not furnishing mats like heartwood or mundane runes?

MreeBiPolar · April 21

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.

The problem with this part is, lots of furniture is non-craftable (actually, SIGNIFICANTLY more than 3068 craftable at the moment), so they'd need to put a crafting cost on everything. Including onto stuff that was never meant to have it like store exclusives, antiquities, etc.

MreeBiPolar · April 21

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I think the intention of calling AI environmentally damaging is because it requires vast amounts of computing resources and energy to produce. It’s a huge money sink too, potentially diverting monetary resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

Isn't the same kind of true for other things like, um, MMOs as well, too, though, word-for-word?

barney2525 · April 21

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

<snip>
• Bound/antiquity furnishings should also be allowed to be deconstructed. There is no difference between deconstrucing a farmed furniture item and getting back resources as there is in farming a piece of gear and getting back resources.
<snip>

I was in agreement with you up to this point.

Bound/Antiquities shouldn't allow for deconstruction because the purpose of deconstruction is to recoup a portion of your materials investment. In the case of antiquities, those have an infinite supply and as a result could be used to farm mats (ie.. heartwood from the aylied tree in West Weald).

Which is no different than farming a piece of gear in a dungeon or trial.

Except that with antiquities you have to at least farm the lead first, some are easier than others.

Its a total non issue.

The gear you farm from dungeons/trials don't drop precious mats like heartwood/mundane runes/etc..

I get it. Deconstructing furniture would be great! But let's not get greedy if what we ask for is ever to see the light of day.

Deconstructing crafted furnishings is fair, because the player has mats and style materials invested into them. Bound/Antiquity items are bound for a reason, to prevent or mitigate exploitation/gold selling/real world money exchanges/etc.. You may not like it, but if you want furnishing deconstruction to ever come to pass, you've gotta manage your expectations.

Wait. Let's not get greedy?

Aaawwwwww. Rats.

redlink1979 · April 21

You may not recall many customers asking for "Subclassing" but there were a lot of players asking for a class token.
This will kinda answer that.

Ragnarok0130 · April 21

LunaFlora wrote: »

Furniture Deconstruction would be nice sure, but it just is not comparable to Subclassing.

I believe Pixie's point was that there are a lot of features that the player base has been clamoring for years and ZoS went with this when there hasn't been much demand for this at all beyond the odd thread.

redlink1979 wrote: »

You may not recall many customers asking for "Subclassing" but there were a lot of players asking for a class token.
This will kinda answer that.

And that's what many of us would have preferred getting instead of subclassing. Subclassing will not replace a class change token in any meaningful way. It's painting water damage without fixing the leak.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · April 21

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

AlwaysDancing wrote: »

Furniture deconstruction would be a nice QoL upgrade, but should never be considered a feature.

And AI art is absolutely not inspiring. Art created by an actual human being is inspirational.

MoonPile wrote: »

I agree with the premise of decon, and agree, @AlwaysDancing - the inclusion of "AI" imagery is unfortunate. Many of us in housing are in the arts outside of this game: I would rather not to see the thing that was developed on my peers' stolen work, actively making our careers worse in every way, is incredibly environmentally damaging, and is engendered primarily by companies/billionaires whose primary goal is not to help regular people, but to profit even more.

You are both reading more meaning into this than is necessary.

By "inspiration" I mean to inspire debate in this thread, not as inspiration for the actual furnishing table. Think of it as "advertising". Pictures sell, marketing 101.

Inspire debate about the horribleness of AI replacing art and not your actual topic?

A discussion about your topic would be much better without a pointless image. An imagine that wasted water and power to be made.

Mayrael · April 21

I love subclassing so far on PTS and can't wait to use it on live, while I don't care about furnishings deconstruction. The "furniture bag" introduced in this patch is more welcomed for me TBH.

But it's just a matter of perspective I suppose.