What do you consider the endgame? (PvE)

BananaBender

You see this term being thrown around all the time, so I would like to hear what people think when someone uses the term 'endgame player', or 'This build is good until the endgame' etc.?
As of right now, I feel like the term has very little if any meaning, since people have completely different views on what it means, so here I would just like to map out and hear what people think the term means.

The options are ordered in terms of difficulty (debatable). Vote for the one which you think marks the entry to endgame, meaning if you choose Normal dungeons your choice includes everything up to trial trifectas by default.

An endgame player is someone who does...

BananaBender

Trial trifectas

We all know housing and fashion is where the real endgame is at though

TaSheen

Other (comment down)

I don't have endgame. My gaming consists entirely of mentally RPing my girls while playing - the world is where they live and adventure, and that's all it ever will be now. Sometimes, depending on girl, we'll do a quest chain that's pertinent to her life in Tamriel, but after 7 years, that's actually not all that often....

We'll see how much longer this goes on for me and the girls.

[Edit for clarity and typo]

Danikat

The poll doesn't really work unless you make it multiple choice, because several of those things are end game, it wouldn't make sense to pick only 1.

In general I think there's 2 ways to use the term, and conversations about end-game builds specifically use the second one.
1) Things you can (or are likely to) do after getting to level 50 and 160CP.
2) Things you can ONLY do after getting to level 50, and may need more than 160CP to do well.

Which is relevant depends on the topic. If someone asks what there is to do in end-game then it's worth mentioning they can keep questing and exploring, doing normal mode dungeons etc because a lot of people enjoy that and it's not always practical or possible in MMOs.

But it would be misleading to call something an end-game build if the most it can handle is a delve boss.

BananaBender

Trial trifectas

Danikat wrote: »

The poll doesn't really work unless you make it multiple choice, because several of those things are end game, it wouldn't make sense to pick only 1.

I couldn't find an option to make a multiple choice poll (could be just a skill issue on my part), so I tried to sort the options out in difficulty (There is a really good argument to be made for dungeon trifectas being easier than Trial HMs, but I didn't want to mess the structure up too much). Meaning your choice includes that and everything that comes after it in the poll.

Koshka

Trial trifectas

Depends on who you ask. For me, it's dungeon/trial trifectas and housing.

Dragonnord

Can't vote. Half of the poll options are endgame.
 

BananaBender

Trial trifectas

Dragonnord wrote: »

Can't vote. Half of the poll options are endgame.
 

I edited the post for clarity

Ugrak

Other (comment down)

PVE endgame for me has mostly been about completionism. Also I mostly solo stuff these days. Soloing group content feels like I'm getting away with doing something I'm not supposed to be doing, but in a wholesome way. World bosses, world events, veteran hardmodes and the odd trifecta. It feels great to succeed after having earned victory. I'm not always patient enough to fail my way toward a solution, but it feels rewarding when I let the game show me my mistakes, and then learn to correct them.

That said, single player games are better for solo play. I feel the ESO PVE endgame is content that is challenging enough to promote players cooperating in a coordinated way. Further, that is also largely the point that the MMO concept revolves around. Clusters of experts pushing the limits. Roughly speaking, the deep end of the pool combined with cooperation. The people there are your endgamers, and it's a place where communities may begin forming. Similar with PVP, though this thread asks about PVE. Content that is challenging enough that min-maxing and cooperation becomes more of a necessity than an option.

Endgame as a whole doesn't necessarily limit itself to combat. It could include things such as the trade guilds when you think about it, but I wish ESO trade was less reliant on addons for that stuff. Housing and roleplay can also get quite involved and community-forming. And of course none of these are mutually exclusive. In fact they often feed into each other. e.g., trade can feed into housing which can feed into roleplay. And these may all be things some players choose to relax with when not doing endgame combat stuff.

katanagirl1

Other (comment down)

On all of my 9 CP toons I do a little bit of everything: Cyrodiil PvP, IA, dungeons, trials, overland, crafting, housing. To me endgame is whatever I feel like doing at the moment.

Ph1p

By definition, endgame should be something after or near the completion of some core game activity. Typically, this might be somewhere after you have finished the main story, fully leveled your character, and/or completed certain achievements. So for me, overland and normal dungeons or trials would be out for sure, because those have almost no requirements and can be done on new toons with little to no experience.

But beyond than that, the threshold to endgame can be very subjective, very fluid, and variable over time. Many players may never get into trifectas and others never into score-pushing despite having fully leveled and meta-geared characters. Others are into housing, but how many roads must a man walk down homes must you furnish and how many recipes should you know before you can call yourself endgame? Or people might initially think their endgame is just veteran trials, but then get swooped up by hard modes through progression, a helpful group, and power creep ;-)

Lugaldu

Other (comment down)

My endgame is housing, no question about.

sarahthes

Other (comment down)

Scorepushing.

AzuraFan

Other (comment down)

For me, "endgame" is whatever I do after I've completed all the available story content in overland (the zone stories, all quest hubs, and all side quests).

RaddlemanNumber7

Other (comment down)

Endeavours. When all the antagonists are defeated, and the world is saved, all that is left to do is the chores.

wilykcat

Veteran dungeons

My end game is veteran dungeons and fashion.

Asdara

Other (comment down)

Theres no endgame, all the reward are locked behind crown crates, once you paid the crates theres no reason to do anything after that

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Fashion Scrolls Online is the endgame.


Fashion includes housing 💸

Sakiri

BananaBender wrote: »

You see this term being thrown around all the time, so I would like to hear what people think when someone uses the term 'endgame player', or 'This build is good until the endgame' etc.?
As of right now, I feel like the term has very little if any meaning, since people have completely different views on what it means, so here I would just like to map out and hear what people think the term means.

The options are ordered in terms of difficulty (debatable). Vote for the one which you think marks the entry to endgame, meaning if you choose Normal dungeons your choice includes everything up to trial trifectas by default.

An endgame player is someone who does...

Everything meant to be completed at level cap is endgame.

Traditionally this is difficult dungeons(ie, vet) and raids(trials). Overland and questing content can be done at any time, therefore is not endgame content.

Tandor

Other (comment down)

I'll let you know when I get to endgame, but it's only been something over 10 years so far so it won't be anytime soon.

Renato90085

Other (comment down)

with my trial trifectas group do nude(no armor/weapon) n trial(ncr+3/nss/ndsr) trifectas

Soarora

Dungeon hard modes

Once you start progging DLC HMs I think you’re in the endgame, but you become a true endgamer once you can just casually do a HM.

But I also consider dungeon and trial endgames to be entirely different paths and entirely different endgames that have a decent, but not total, crossover in community. Being able to do Coral Aerie trifecta 20x doesn’t mean you’re a trial endgamer.

spartaxoxo

Other (comment down)

Vet DLC trial clears, Vet DLC dungeon Achievements, Arena Achievements, and Infinite Archive (Arc 4+) are all endgame activities IMO. They all are their own thing. It's not a given that someone who does one would then clear another. I also don't think it's just trifectas, as I think being able to clear the hard mode of say Coral Aerie is still endgame even if you can't do the trifecta. For me, endgame is a spectrum of people engaging in the hardest activities. Someone could be endgame but not elite.

Desiato

There is no end game in a traditional sense.

I don't consider speed and no death runs a proper end game in an mmo. I have zero interest in those things, but would love an actual epic-feeling end game akin to the Plane of Fear in 1999 or The Sleeper in 2001.

SOE eventually relented on its “Don’t kill Kerafyrm” stance, apologized, and respawned the dragon for a second go on November 17th. That time, it took. With more than 200 players working for four hours and 1,000 resurrections taking place, the beast was taken down to zero. A wizard named Trylun got the lucky final point of damage and the official kill. Alas, there was no loot or trophies to be shared.

Probably the most epic thing someone can do in ESO is decorate a house exceptionally well.

MrGarlic

Other (comment down)

Spreadsheets of character progression.

Destai

Normal trials

Endgame is a trek that begins with trials, at least for me. I would consider dungeon & trial trifectas and veteran trials to also be endgame.

My endgame is fashion, alts, and stickerbooks.

MrGarlic wrote: »

Spreadsheets of character progression.

This reminds me, I need to update my character tracker with my new toons.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

Other (comment down)

Though I don't participate in all of the activities above I consider all of them plus housing, crafting, fishing and any activities I missed as end game. I consider end game as whatever a player likes to do after reaching the end of the current quest line. For some that might be the various levels of instanced content and for others it might be any of the non-combat related activities. It essentially what a player does while awaiting new content.

Mesite

Trial trifectas

I had to look up 'Trifecta' so it must be endgame.

ghastley

Other (comment down)

There is no endgame. I can always start a new character, and take a different path.

TaSheen

Other (comment down)

ghastley wrote: »

There is no endgame. I can always start a new character, and take a different path.

Heh, yeah. That's why I have dozens of alts....

Neugeniko

Persuading devs to change the game.