Why am I experiencing more predatory behaviour ingame? Please read

aetherial_heavenn

Harassment is harassment. Unsolicited *** is harassment. It is illegal or would breach some 'sending *** over social media' laws in many countries. It is also quite possibly against Discords own ToS. (You can screenshot discord messages, and chat box messages on PC quite easily)

Losing your guild as a consequence is sad. If a guild member of any guild I have had anything to do with, had done that to another member over any discord channel the perpetrator would have been insta-kicked and word sent around to the big guild GMs that day.

As for the ongoing in game whispers and unwanted behaviour: it has happened to many of us. Like in the real world, friendliness is often misinterpreted as flirting by a certain type of person. So misunderstandings can occur but it is rare (in my experience as a female player in many all male settings) for someone to be so brazenly idiotic and so completely out of line as to do what they did, particularly after being told to stop. Once again, insta guild kick for the harasser. Insta report from me.

I really hope you recover your resilience and get to find a good group of friends to play with. For the handful of times I've had to deal with harassment, I've had 1000's of kind, generous, nice or neutral interactions. I get wobbly but I WILL NOT LET ONE ARSE SPOIL MY GAME!!

I hope you can go back to enjoying the social aspect of the game. AS a sufferer of acute anxiety I find social interaction in game a lot easier than in real life. Because I can just block and ignore.

This is my standard operating procedure for those rare occasions it has happened.
step 1 type 'stop that or i will report you'.
step 2 screenshot chat box including their initial remark and any replies to yours.
step 3 report (which autblocks/ignores)

In my experience reports like this are acted on very quickly. Often that day.

I will add that this has nothing specifically to do with ERP. For a while, PvP was rife with it at MYM. At other times it was Auridon during a jesters festival. Waves of new players can bring some really nasty norms. The ESO community will attempt to change this behaviour by calling it out and reporting. The community, with support from ZoS, usually gets rid of the unteachable very quickly.

Rohamad_Ali

The Black Hand knows what hey do. Optical terrorists.

Hygiliack

Lol, I am a guy, and usually if I have the option, I have some female toons, one of them is a Breton Arcanist, short and skinny, and I use the Meridian skin, I have had multiple people whispering stuff to me, I ofc just laugh, they have no clue that who is behind the keyboard looks like "Comic book guy" but with short hair, so I just laugh it off, but I do get how it can be annoying

Interestingly enough, when I play my Khajiit robber dude, my Behemot Nord Tank, my fat argonian healer dude, I do not get any such whispers, some guys really need to go out more(And that coming from a guy that looks like comic book guy lmao)

darvaria

You have to be extremely careful about this type of behavior. Be cautious about how many you do and such and make sure to never cross the line of "flirting". I had RL situation develop in another game and it escalated to a more serious situation. Be right up front about your relationship status. I am very forth coming about being happily married and am not interested in any type of online romance. I heavily warn against encouraging any romantic type of relationship in ESO. I can name several that have cause problems in my years of gaming. I will say ESO seems to have less than Runescape and WOW.

I've gotten those creepy avatar comments. Now, admittedly my character is designed to look cute because I enjoy this view myself. I have ALWAYS had characters that fit this. I do notice players trolling zone sometimes and it seems they may be looking for younger players. I have intercepted a few communications between seemingly older players and younger players. REPORT anything suspicious to ZOS immediately. And yes, I mostly play offline.

This is why I am a proponent of eliminating the crouch animation (a dark cloud would suffice) AND the push up emote. ANY thing that suggests bodily contact of a sexual intent is completely WRONG>

Just REPORT to ZOS anything out of line. I have faith in ZOS taking care of any type of sexual harassment. I just wish they would see t bagging and push ups as crossing the line.

Darv

SilverBride

darvaria wrote: »

This is why I am a proponent of eliminating the crouch animation (a dark cloud would suffice) AND the push up emote. ANY thing that suggests bodily contact of a sexual intent is completely WRONG>...

...I just wish they would see t bagging and push ups as crossing the line.

I completely agree. Teabagging causes a lot of conflict and no matter how anyone looks at it, it IS simulating a sexual act. The only way to stop it would be to completely change the crouching animation to just slightly bending the knees like when in combat along with a dark cloud or other such effect to distinguish it.

LikiLoki

In 10 years, I have never come across anything like this. Are all my 9 characters ugly? It's a bit insulting. I feel discriminated against

Vulsahdaal

LikiLoki wrote: »

In 10 years, I have never come across anything like this. Are all my 9 characters ugly? It's a bit insulting. I feel discriminated against

Cant say Ive had this issue either.

I mean my Redguard gets a lot of compliments on her looks from random players, but I say thank you and it pretty much ends there.

And there was one time on my nightblade when someone complimented her on her looks, and after I said thank you he suggested we meet behind the stable. I agreed as long as we were discreet. I told him to go there and wait, and Id be along in about 10 years or so. He left without a word and I didnt hear from him again...maybe hes still waiting, I dont know..

But I dont think thats really harassment.. Oh wait, now that I think about it I have gotten more than a few whispers of ' **** you' in Cyrodiil, could it be they just wanted to erp and Ive been taking it the wrong way? Boy do I feel dumb now

Vulsahdaal

SilverBride wrote: »

darvaria wrote: »

This is why I am a proponent of eliminating the crouch animation (a dark cloud would suffice) AND the push up emote. ANY thing that suggests bodily contact of a sexual intent is completely WRONG>...

...I just wish they would see t bagging and push ups as crossing the line.

I completely agree. Teabagging causes a lot of conflict and no matter how anyone looks at it, it IS simulating a sexual act. The only way to stop it would be to completely change the crouching animation to just slightly bending the knees like when in combat along with a dark cloud or other such effect to distinguish it.

Cant say I ever understood why people have such an issue with tea bagging.

I mean, I guess it is kind of in poor taste (no pun intended) but otoh dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

edit: forum censor is rather sensitive here

freespirit

Over the last ten years I've had loads of brilliant experiences with other players and a few really weird ones.

I would like to clarify that as far as I am aware NONE of the weird experiences were from or related to the ESO erp community.

As part of the management team in a couple of guilds, I can say we have no hesitation removing players both from the guilds and any related Discords, it is never ok to harrass or make any player feel uncomfortable!

I am female, so are a high proportion of my guildmates, women in games is no longer unusual, although I still constantly get surprised comments when stating I am female in rl!

Two of my guilds have a high number of players over 40 years of age, I honestly believe this makes for a much more tolerant and cohesive group, these guilds are always full and making room for new players always involves a mail to the removed player saying they are welcome back, if and when they return to the game.

Ofc if they are removed for negative reasons, no mail and straight on to the Blacklist!

I usually find the weird ones can be silenced with a few terse words, those that cannot I just block, one of my friends who pvp's a lot collects the whispers and has a virtual wall titled "My collection of Tiny Tears" that always makes me smile!

To the OP, I do have times where I hide in offline mode but mostly I'm online, please do not let the minority of idiots ruin a game you enjoy, I am sad you feel you are getting more grief than you used to and hope that you can get past this and find the great community we know to be there!! 💕

ellmarie

Wow, Yikes. I didn't know stuff like this happens. Truly sorry OP! That is some scary stuff! I know I've received some spam on Discord and other platforms, but nothing like that. I don't like social media much because of this reason. What an uncomfortable feeling! I am of the mid age/older female category, and I also try to join guilds that are more in that line. Thankfully I have not experienced this. I play mostly during the day, so not sure if that has anything to do with not seeing this type of behavior? I'm on xbox console so I have definitely played offline many times. I like to make friends too, just so sorry this happened to you.

SilverBride

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

Castagere

ArchMikem wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

Wtheck is an erp guild

Erotic Role-playing.

I'm honestly surprised People can get away with it on ESO without being suspended.

Wow, I never knew about these types of guilds. How is this possible in ESO? All the more reason to just solo play in mmo's today. Unless you have real-life friends that you can play with.

Ph1p

Funny how there is now concern over ERP guilds, even though most people - including myself - seem to have never met or experienced any issues with them. Frankly, it was not a good move by the OP to immediately blame ERP and only later state that they actually met the problematic player in a trials guild.

SeaGtGruff

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That's kind of like saying, how about leaving this planet if the actions of some of its inhabitants offend you so much? Not the same kind of situation, since one can't very well just up and leave the planet and go somewhere else to live (yet, anyway), but it's the same kind of sentiment.

I've already said how I feel about tea-bagging (namely, that it doesn't bother me), but my feelings about it are my own and I can appreciate that not everyone feels the same about it as I do.

Ph1p wrote: »

Funny how there is now concern over ERP guilds, even though most people - including myself - seem to have never met or experienced any issues with them. Frankly, it was not a good move by the OP to immediately blame ERP and only later state that they actually met the problematic player in a trials guild.

The OP didn't say or imply that the guild they were in was an ERP guild. They said "some players that erp in erp guilds then take it out into the non erring community," which implies (at least, it did to me) that the guild was a non-ERP guild.

They did say that they "blame this on the whole ERP community," which might be unfair. However, they also said that "Since [i.e., after] vids were streamed about how one of the top gold makers is erping, I noticed this behaviour has got worse," so that observation probably has a lot to do with blaming the entire ERP community. As I understand it, ERP is normally carried out in private, not in public. Streaming a video about ERP made it public and (pardon the pun) exposed more players to its existence, which means that ERP guilds which have existed quietly in private without bothering non-ERP players are now having to suffer the consequences brought on by players such as the one the OP described.

Aggrovious

SilverBride wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

no, this will break the game

spartaxoxo

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Cant say I ever understood why people have such an issue with tea bagging.

Some people really hate the name and thus view it as a lewd act.

They'll be like

"I don't care that the person doing it did not do it for lewd intentions, did not expose themselves, or even in cases where they did not even make bodily contact... It's lewd."

Such people also tend to want to the complete removal of crouching so nobody can do it.

Thankfully, the devs do care about intent. So, what OP describes would be against TOS (which is why the person doing it ran off to discord). Meanwhile, tea bagging is handled on a case by case basis. If someone asks you to stop doing it, you can even report that if they continue to do so. And bans do get handed out for harassing people in such a way.

OP should block and report the person who did this.

Anyone who is teabagged who doesn't like it should ask the person to stop, and if they don't, report them. Maybe ZOS can also add a toggle for an alternate crouch emote so those who don't want to see it, can. Someone in another thread mentioned that it should be handled like arachnophobia modes in other games with optional toggable animation swaps, and I agree. This way they don't ever have to see a gesture they find lewd.

Any ERP members who find out a member of there guild is harassing others should consider removing that person from their guild.

SilverBride

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

no, this will break the game

How?

Aggrovious

SilverBride wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

no, this will break the game

How?

You want to change the crouch animation, but how would you change it? To many mechanics, such as the new Hollowjack boss, depend on crouching. Nightblades/Thieves depend on crouching. Spaulder of Ruin mythic depends on crouching. If you change this animation it can cause unforeseen consequences such as character falling underground (I can see my feet submerged in certain areas already).

Attack weaving is a big part of getting more damage in this game, as auto attacking has been an existing mechanic for gaming. It can also be effected with an core ability animation change.

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

We already have a TOS rule against TB-ing, so I don't see the need to change an animation. Let us take a minute and salute the fallen:

• Templar Jabs
• Flurry (some like it, most don't seem too)
• I pray the eight would spare their wrath on Nirn with any future animation changes

These are the reasons (and my concerns) why changing crouching animation is just plain silly. If you really are bothered by a TB-er, then you have all the power to report the player with video evidence and block them.

SilverBride

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

no, this will break the game

How?

You want to change the crouch animation, but how would you change it? To many mechanics, such as the new Hollowjack boss, depend on crouching. Nightblades/Thieves depend on crouching. Spaulder of Ruin mythic depends on crouching. If you change this animation it can cause unforeseen consequences such as character falling underground (I can see my feet submerged in certain areas already).

Changing how the character physically looks when crouching wouldn't change the effect. Templar jabs are still jabs and have the same effect as before no matter what they look like.

Aggrovious

SilverBride wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

no, this will break the game

How?

You want to change the crouch animation, but how would you change it? To many mechanics, such as the new Hollowjack boss, depend on crouching. Nightblades/Thieves depend on crouching. Spaulder of Ruin mythic depends on crouching. If you change this animation it can cause unforeseen consequences such as character falling underground (I can see my feet submerged in certain areas already).

Changing how the character physically looks when crouching wouldn't change the effect. Templar jabs are still jabs and have the same effect as before no matter what they look like.

You are assuming nothing wrong will happen changing a core function, not an ability. There is a major difference. I brought the ability animation changes up because players hate them. Why angry the players for the few who can't make a report?

colossalvoids

SilverBride wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

...dont you think its better that they work out their necro philiac tendencies in a game rather than real life?

The character may be in game but the person playing them is very much in real life and doesn't have a right to subject another player to a lewd act.

Since the teabagging conflict is very unlikely to resolve on its own, the only solution is to change the crouching animation.

no, this will break the game

How?

You want to change the crouch animation, but how would you change it? To many mechanics, such as the new Hollowjack boss, depend on crouching. Nightblades/Thieves depend on crouching. Spaulder of Ruin mythic depends on crouching. If you change this animation it can cause unforeseen consequences such as character falling underground (I can see my feet submerged in certain areas already).

Changing how the character physically looks when crouching wouldn't change the effect. Templar jabs are still jabs and have the same effect as before no matter what they look like.

Glad you mentioned jabs as an example, that would summ up the new experience pretty well. But worse.

So the only good way is not to ruin other's game and make a visual toggle for just you to not see the animation and escape being offended that way, so others can see full sneaking animations and their personality variants when sneaking around.

JavaRen

If ZOS was truly concerned about t-bagging the easiest solution to implement would be to announce that it is against the TOS and to punish reported infractions .... which they have not done. So whether or not we agree we can clearly see what the official postion is.

barney2525

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

Wtheck is an erp guild

Erotic Role Play. Serioiusly.

I think people are afraid to use the word erotic.

Thought it was Erratic. but it's pretty much the same.

Erickson9610

Aggrovious wrote: »

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

Werewolves can't crouch. They have unused sneaking animations that you can see in certain scenarios, but you can't actually crouch in Werewolf form.

I don't think the crouching animations should be changed, though. I'd just like to be able to crouch as a werewolf in the first place, so that I'm not locked out of item sets (like Sentry or Spaulder of Ruin), PvE content (like Thieves Guild Heists, Dark Brotherhood Sacraments, March of Sacrifices, or the new Hollowjack boss fight), or certain PvP playstyles (namely Stealth ganker builds, or utilizing Sentry for a Stealth Detection build).

Aggrovious

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

Werewolves can't crouch. They have unused sneaking animations that you can see in certain scenarios, but you can't actually crouch in Werewolf form.

I did not say werewolves crouched. I said transforming into a werewolf gives a "crouch-like" animation. That can be tainted with if the core animation, crouching, is changed. It would be cool for werewolves to have the ability to actually sneak though.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

I don't think the crouching animations should be changed, though. I'd just like to be able to crouch as a werewolf in the first place, so that I'm not locked out of item sets (like Sentry or Spaulder of Ruin), PvE content (like Thieves Guild Heists, Dark Brotherhood Sacraments, March of Sacrifices, or the new Hollowjack boss fight), or certain PvP playstyles (namely Stealth ganker builds, or utilizing Sentry for a Stealth Detection build).

EDIT: quote fix and additional comment.

You can be crouched before turning into a werewolf. That is how werewolf tanks use Spaulder of Ruin.

Erickson9610

Aggrovious wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

I don't think the crouching animations should be changed, though. I'd just like to be able to crouch as a werewolf in the first place, so that I'm not locked out of item sets (like Sentry or Spaulder of Ruin), PvE content (like Thieves Guild Heists, Dark Brotherhood Sacraments, March of Sacrifices, or the new Hollowjack boss fight), or certain PvP playstyles (namely Stealth ganker builds, or utilizing Sentry for a Stealth Detection build).

EDIT: quote fix and additional comment.

You can be crouched before turning into a werewolf. That is how werewolf tanks use Spaulder of Ruin.

Yes, but dying resets the Spaulder set to its toggled off state. If you die as a werewolf tank, then you must revert form just to toggle the set back on.

Aggrovious

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

I don't think the crouching animations should be changed, though. I'd just like to be able to crouch as a werewolf in the first place, so that I'm not locked out of item sets (like Sentry or Spaulder of Ruin), PvE content (like Thieves Guild Heists, Dark Brotherhood Sacraments, March of Sacrifices, or the new Hollowjack boss fight), or certain PvP playstyles (namely Stealth ganker builds, or utilizing Sentry for a Stealth Detection build).

EDIT: quote fix and additional comment.

You can be crouched before turning into a werewolf. That is how werewolf tanks use Spaulder of Ruin.

Yes, but dying resets the Spaulder set to its toggled off state. If you die as a werewolf tank, then you must revert form just to toggle the set back on.

Then you do it all over again lol

Erickson9610

Aggrovious wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Werewolves do a crouch-like animation before turning. It can very well break them.

I don't think the crouching animations should be changed, though. I'd just like to be able to crouch as a werewolf in the first place, so that I'm not locked out of item sets (like Sentry or Spaulder of Ruin), PvE content (like Thieves Guild Heists, Dark Brotherhood Sacraments, March of Sacrifices, or the new Hollowjack boss fight), or certain PvP playstyles (namely Stealth ganker builds, or utilizing Sentry for a Stealth Detection build).

EDIT: quote fix and additional comment.

You can be crouched before turning into a werewolf. That is how werewolf tanks use Spaulder of Ruin.

Yes, but dying resets the Spaulder set to its toggled off state. If you die as a werewolf tank, then you must revert form just to toggle the set back on.

Then you do it all over again lol

Spending 300 Ultimate just to toggle Spaulder of Ruin until the next time you die isn't desirable. I'd much rather be able to toggle it by crouching without needing to revert form to do so.

SickleCider

I'm sorry that happened to you, OP.

Artanisul

SilverBride wrote: »

I was approached the other day while doing writs in Vivec. The player started whispering me about how hot my character looked, and other such comments, so I told them to stop harassing me. They asked how that was harassing to which I didn't reply, but thankfully they did stop.

I had to end a friendship, too, because he just wouldn't stop flirting, even after several warnings.

I don't play games to look for virtual dates and I'm really surprised by how many actively erp. But I'm even more surprised that they approach strangers with their advances.

This is the beginning of a story about how we cant compliment other players anymore. Hyper sensitivity is the death of MMos for the casual players.