[SUGGESTION] [GREYHOST] Y'all need to lock the camp score during non prime time hours!

yourhpgod · September 21

This is ridiculous that i even have to say this but its beyond dumb now that the camp scoring is not locked during non prime time hours. We have a Non-North American guild starting to flip everything.

Lock the damn camps score when its not prime time.

valenwood_vegan · September 21

Those pesky non-north-americans! How dare they live somewhere else!

I mean unfortunately it's a 24/7 live service game open to people from all over the world... Perhaps there are things they can do to adjust scoring based on the current active population, but just locking it except during a few hours a day that are convenient for one specific country (and even then, only for those who work normal hours) is a bit over the top and sounds like a great way to lose customers.

CatoUnchained · September 21

What time is prime time on earth?

LunaFlora · September 21

there is no universal prime time.
people live all over the world and there are only 2 megaservers for each platform, North America and Europe.

People not in those regions will also use those servers and even people in those regions do not play at the same time as you.

Major_Mangle · September 21

CatoUnchained wrote: »

What time is prime time on earth?

Prime time = the hours when a specific campaign reaches the highest population/are locked.

Edit: the people arguing that they want their efforts during off hours to matter (when having the least amount of resistance), while simultaneously make the efforts of those who play during primetime (who face the most amount of resistance) completely negligible, will never not be ironic.

yourhpgod · September 22

https://search.brave.com/search?q=what+would+prime+time+hours+be+on+a+NORTH+AMERICAN+server%3F&source=desktop&summary=1&summary_og=ccf24cf7a403fb617a3cf1

There is a link for those that are not aware of "prime times"

So in theory one would say that Daggerfall Covenant is the flavor for prime time hours. You could then equate nightcapping of other factions as those that are reaching the least resistance. Ergo why DC don't have much resistance during the prime time hours until those that frequent the other camps have to come over to aid.

A simple locking of score during the times of low populations would mitigate the night capping that takes place. You could even go further into this by locking the territory to "not change factions" unless these parameters of "does faction have x players online" meets that requirements.

Its really simple stuff server side you can do to do this.

*edited topic header for more accurate campaign context.

sleepy_worm · September 22

You should post a thread about it.

yourhpgod · September 22

https://eso-u.com/articles/cyrodiil_pvp_tier_rewards_what_do_you_get_and_how_do_you_get_them

This is exactly why it happens

grimjim398 · September 22

It’s always prime time somewhere.

Vaqual · September 22

Or you can play on the EU server and become the night capper yourself.

darvaria · September 24

There are already at least 10 threads running on this topic. Any change is too risky. Even the low pop bonus doesn't really work. If it's broken don't ask ZOS for a fix ....

kyle.wilson · September 24

darvaria wrote: »

There are already at least 10 threads running on this topic. Any change is too risky. Even the low pop bonus doesn't really work. If it's broken don't ask ZOS for a fix ....

It's usually the faction on the receiving end that screams the loudest. A recent forum account creation makes me think EP, with this months Greyhost campaign on PCNA.

darvaria · September 24

A recent forum account? Check my profile. March 30, 2014. Not a lot of posts and yes I'm EP but I am saying just leave things alone. AD said they had a 187 player que the other day. The factions will shift around as they always have. Yes, Ad will win this campaign, but hasn't ad only won GH like 3 times in 3 years? I never remember them winning even once on True Flame. And NEVER once on Azura's Star. Which is why I left DC. Dc won every single campaign. Things will shift along and a certain faction will no longer be "faction of the month".

kyle.wilson · September 24

darvaria wrote: »

A recent forum account? Check my profile. March 30, 2014. Not a lot of posts and yes I'm EP but I am saying just leave things alone. AD said they had a 187 player que the other day. The factions will shift around as they always have. Yes, Ad will win this campaign, but hasn't ad only won GH like 3 times in 3 years? I never remember them winning even once on True Flame. And NEVER once on Azura's Star. Which is why I left DC. Dc won every single campaign. Things will shift along and a certain faction will no longer be "faction of the month".

You've hidden your profile.
The OP of this thread has a new forum account.
Almost every post I can identify as PCNA is done by accounts that were winning and are now losing. Which is why I said EP. Last month it was DC crying, when they were the dominate "night capping faction" on Greyhost prior to the recent spat of EP campaign dominations.
Almost no-one is complaining when they are winning, even if its a bit unfair.

darvaria · September 24

Profile not hidden now. Not sure how that happened.

But yeah I've consistently said to not change anymore population factors. EP will lose this campaign but who really cares about the score. But yes, you don't see the usual AD complainers here.

Poss · October 3

OP where do you suggest the Asian and Australian population go and play? Or any other continent without a dedicated mega server? Just a kind reminder that the world doesn’t revolve around you

MidniteOwl1913 · October 3

Sorry, this is a global server. I'm sorry that doesn't meet with your approval. Maybe you should try recruiting a nightshift for your faction.

BTW I live in NA and play *way* off normal PST "prime" hours. I don't think the entire world should be subject to your (or any one groups) desire to control when people can play.

UntilValhalla13 · October 3

Just have everyone else across the world stop playing the game entirely. That way, the same 100 people can keep fighting each other forever.

Minnesinger · October 3

Yea punishing the customers based on their location must be really smart move. What could go wrong?

forum_gpt · October 3

Just because it's your prime time doesn't mean the rest of the world should follow. The server isn’t only made for one time zone. Players from Australia, the Americas, and elsewhere all have different schedules, and the game doesn’t revolve around any single region’s peak hours. Locking scores based on your preferred time frame would only create a disadvantage for other players, don’t you think?

Necrotech_Master · October 3

yourhpgod wrote: »

https://eso-u.com/articles/cyrodiil_pvp_tier_rewards_what_do_you_get_and_how_do_you_get_them

This is exactly why it happens

those rewards are absolutely not worth the effort lol

i heavily doubt thats why competitive pvpers are trying to win a score base campaign

merevie · October 31

Well the truth is it is not the people who live in the southern hemisphere zerging the map at night.

It is two American Ad streamers who are literally earning a living from it.

During the day, both get slaughtered which does not bring in cash.

One of them does a round in every single pve zone to get a full stack of people before logging in. None of these people can play and it doesn't matter.

Is it against TOS to use pvers to make money? No.

Does it suck for actual players? Yes.

But none of us are getting real life paychecks to get up in the small hours of the morning -we have jobs.

What's the answer to the streamer issue in any game? Because it's happening everywhere. Something for gaming companies to think carefully about.

LukosCreyden · October 31

People still not understanding the basics of time zones, also the fact that some people work night shifts lol.

edward_frigidhands · November 6

yourhpgod wrote: »

This is ridiculous that i even have to say this but its beyond dumb now that the camp scoring is not locked during non prime time hours. We have a Non-North American guild starting to flip everything.

Lock the damn camps score when its not prime time.

I am not sure if this is a serious post. If it is then it's really entitled and ignores the needs of other players.

moosegod · November 7

why don't we just make the campaign playable ONLY during 8-11pm EST? close the campaign during the rest of the day and force everyone to play in Imperial City! who cares if you're working or asleep during that time? /s

being serious: this is actually kind of a discriminatory post from OP

SkaraMinoc · November 8

moosegod wrote: »

this is actually kind of a discriminatory post from OP

No it's not. Settle down.

SkaraMinoc · November 8

We've talked about this before.

The problem with campaign lockouts during regional off hours is that it prevents anyone living outside North America from participating in Cyrodiil. It also prevents any "late nighters" living in North America from playing Cyrodiil it may prevent players from playing during their preferred hours. Due to limited population, there is only one campaign that everyone joins (Gray Host). It needs to be open 24/7 to support all players.

moosegod · November 8

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

moosegod wrote: »

this is actually kind of a discriminatory post from OP

No it's not. Settle down.

it kind of is... OP is annoyed that "non north-american guilds" are participating in the game and is suggesting they are locked out of meaningful participation. OP is suggesting ZOS treat these players differently from others. if thats not discrimination idk what is.

you even say its discriminating in your own comment:

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

We've talked about this before.

The problem with campaign lockouts during regional off hours is that it prevents anyone living outside North America from participating in Cyrodiil. It also prevents any "late nighters" living in North America from playing Cyrodiil. You might think that's the whole point of the lockout and these other players can play a different campaign. But due to limited population, there is only one main campaign that everyone joins (Gray Host). It needs to be open 24/7 to support all players.

SkaraMinoc · November 8

moosegod wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

moosegod wrote: »

this is actually kind of a discriminatory post from OP

No it's not. Settle down.

it kind of is... OP is annoyed that "non north-american guilds" are participating in the game and is suggesting they are locked out of meaningful participation. OP is suggesting ZOS treat these players differently from others. if thats not discrimination idk what is.

you even say its discriminating in your own comment:

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

We've talked about this before.

The problem with campaign lockouts during regional off hours is that it prevents anyone living outside North America from participating in Cyrodiil. It also prevents any "late nighters" living in North America from playing Cyrodiil. You might think that's the whole point of the lockout and these other players can play a different campaign. But due to limited population, there is only one main campaign that everyone joins (Gray Host). It needs to be open 24/7 to support all players.

Anyone living outside North America would still be able to participate in Cyrodiil, just maybe not during their preferred hours.

Normally the word discrimination is used in the context of race, gender, ethnicity, etc. It's not used if you can't play a feature of a video game during a particular time slot. I often play Cyrodiil during the middle of the night (3am). A lockout would prevent me from playing during this time but I wouldn't consider myself discriminated against. That's a bit much.

"PC NA" implies a tailored experience for players living in North America but that's not really the case. There's a few things configured to benefit NA players, like the daily reset at 2am pacific, but Cyrodiil is not one of them. That's why OP and many others are frustrated with the night capping. They're fighting guards and sieging doors with no enemy players in sight. All of the hard work battling for 16 hours is lost overnight by players who have no enemy resistance. This is a serious design flaw.

SkaraMinoc · November 9

It's perfectly normal to want a tailored, regional experience. I'd like to see an experiment done where there's two campaigns, Gray Host 1(Regional) and Gray Host 2 (Global). Both active during the same month but one is locked during the night and the other isn't. See how the players respond.

Zabagad · November 9

The solution would be so easy for ZOS:
newScore = oldScore + actScore * "population %"
with "population %" = (act AD + act EP + act DC) / (max AD + max EP + max DC)
That would be so easy to implement and they still could hide the pop lock numbers

It would be even better if they would take into account if the population would be 40/0/0 or 40/10/10 for example actScoreEP: actScoreEP * ((actDC + act AD) / actEP ) # If actEP > 0

or something like that to harm the night cap faction if they have no resistance at all.

But that ccould be a bit more complicated (I'm not sure if there would be some negativ effects?) so they could start with the first solution, which should be more or less fail-safe...