And again maintenance during the day

twev · September 30

Xandreia_ wrote: »

IT'S ... EVERY... TWO.... WEEKS....

Why do people post the same thing every maintenance? It's been like this for years -.-

Well, tbh, it is generally different people every two weeks....

Gingaroth · September 30

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Besides, it’s not like this is a surprise. We get an incremental or maintenance every other Monday, unless there’s a holiday in the US (like the last one). And there’s always a forum banner.

That doesn’t do me any good. Monday has been my one fixed day off a week for 2 1/2 years now, non-negotiable. All the banner does is telling me I’m out of luck once again, as expected.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

»Oh, like how every event the Americans have 4 hours before they wake up to get the last day of event tickets while Europe has like 12 hours?

Events usually end on Thursdays. Which is not a day off for me, or for most other Europeans. I’ll have to get up early too if I want to get those last tickets. Reset time for events is 10am EST, isn’t it? So 07am if you’re on the west coast? That would give us about the same amount of time to play, if I want to get to work on time.

StackonClown · September 30

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Those in Australia should get somewhere between a 5% and 10% discount on ESO+ to compensate for all the downtime they get during their prime time

It's amazing how many folk only complain about a thing, when it starts to affect them...

Give the discount to US players and do maintenance in US primetime - not sure people outside US asked for a discount on ESO-

twev · September 30

Maintenance for the week of September 30:
• [EXTENDED] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – September 30, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) - 10:00AM EDT (14:00 UTC)

Now we can all start complaining again.

Lylith · September 30

^knew that was going to happen when it didn't end early.

Kisakee · September 30

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

twev · September 30

Back in the old days, when I worked that kind of stuff, you'd be surprised how often a 'task' lasted until just after the donuts or pizza ran out.

Now, I'm not sayin'...
I'm just sayin'.

ApoAlaia · September 30

Gingaroth wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Besides, it’s not like this is a surprise. We get an incremental or maintenance every other Monday, unless there’s a holiday in the US (like the last one). And there’s always a forum banner.

That doesn’t do me any good. Monday has been my one fixed day off a week for 2 1/2 years now, non-negotiable. All the banner does is telling me I’m out of luck once again, as expected.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

»Oh, like how every event the Americans have 4 hours before they wake up to get the last day of event tickets while Europe has like 12 hours?

Events usually end on Thursdays. Which is not a day off for me, or for most other Europeans. I’ll have to get up early too if I want to get those last tickets. Reset time for events is 10am EST, isn’t it? So 07am if you’re on the west coast? That would give us about the same amount of time to play, if I want to get to work on time.

Events usually start on Thursdays and end on Tuesdays.

Don't mean this as an 'akshually' moment, just a heads up.

Wednesdays seemed like the logical choice because they could be slotted - with a bit of forethought - between events and unlikely to ever clash with a bank holiday (bare maybe the 4th of July? not sure) alas it would seem that consoles snatched that slot and can't do PC and console on the same day so we are a bit SoL on that regard.

Regarding times, given that the US territories span I don't know how many time zones it might be a ****ache to find a different time.

If memory serves the actual servers in the US are in Texas, which is CDT time zone so for the people on the datacentre (and players over there) maintenance starts at 2AM I think? or 3AM? not sure.

Either way APAC players are the ones that usually get well and truly shafted, for the rest of us is just varying degrees of inconvenience.

Guess is their fault for living in the future and handing us down used hours.

Shara_Wynn · September 30

Kisakee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

IT... WOULD... ONLY... BE... ONCE... EVERY... TWO... WEEKS!

Calastir · September 30

Go get some air, walk your dog or go for a walk yourself, feed the birds in the park, do some shopping, whatever...

...and leave those with reason to complain in peace.

Dragonnord · September 30

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Yeah, sure! So amazing and reasonable solution. That's why ZOS implemented it, right?

Shanee · September 30

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Solution for only those who complain though, right?
What about all those people who will be effected by the solution of changing the time? lol

The game never has 0 players online, so there's always going to be people effected.

The best solution is for you to change your real life schedule to fit the game updates.

Then you'll never get effected!

Shara_Wynn · September 30

StackonClown wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Those in Australia should get somewhere between a 5% and 10% discount on ESO+ to compensate for all the downtime they get during their prime time

It's amazing how many folk only complain about a thing, when it starts to affect them...

Give the discount to US players and do maintenance in US primetime - not sure people outside US asked for a discount on ESO-

Well I'm outside the US and play early EU time (which roughly corresponds to APAC primetime) and I'll take a discount!

But yes, I also would rather not have to put up with the maintenance during my prime time play time.

Kisakee · September 30

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

IT... WOULD... ONLY... BE... ONCE... EVERY... TWO... WEEKS!

And yet it would influence tons of people in their company! Shifting plans every two weeks is NOT something you want to do as a company ever and completely changing dates is a lot of work plus we don't know what needs to be done before maintenance actually starts and if MO - WE is even enough time to get everything scheduled.

You're simply making assumtions for a lot of stuff we don't know, things like this cost horrendous amounts of time and money to change. It's most likely not worth for anyone to change anything just because of some peoples inconvenience.

Shara_Wynn · September 30

Kisakee wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

IT... WOULD... ONLY... BE... ONCE... EVERY... TWO... WEEKS!

And yet it would influence tons of people in their company! Shifting plans every two weeks is NOT something you want to do as a company ever and completely changing dates is a lot of work plus we don't know what needs to be done before maintenance actually starts and if MO - WE is even enough time to get everything scheduled.

You're simply making assumtions for a lot of stuff we don't know, things like this cost horrendous amounts of time and money to change. It's most likely not worth for anyone to change anything just because of some peoples inconvenience.

Yeah ok. I have spent my entire working life doing shifts. Day shifts, night shifts, weekends, holidays, it's not that bad. Many international companies already work around the clock. It's a global market place afterall.

However my reply was in jest and I thought that was made pretty obvious

I will take a 10% discount on my ESO+ sub though, for all the disruption to my playtime

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StackonClown · September 30

Kisakee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

No ZOS can pay them - or does noone in a billion$$$ US company ever work night shift ?

Calastir · September 30

Kisakee wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

IT... WOULD... ONLY... BE... ONCE... EVERY... TWO... WEEKS!

And yet it would influence tons of people in their company! Shifting plans every two weeks is NOT something you want to do as a company ever and completely changing dates is a lot of work plus we don't know what needs to be done before maintenance actually starts and if MO - WE is even enough time to get everything scheduled.

You're simply making assumtions for a lot of stuff we don't know, things like this cost horrendous amounts of time and money to change. It's most likely not worth for anyone to change anything just because of some peoples inconvenience.

You misspelled the majority of peoples

Djennku · September 30

*grabs a fistfull of popcorn* So, what do you guys do if you want to eat out at your favorite restaurant and it's closed that day?

Rowjoh · September 30

as Spock would have said had he known irony:

'the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many'.

Calastir · September 30

Djennku wrote: »

*grabs a fistfull of popcorn* So, what do you guys do if you want to eat out at your favorite restaurant and it's closed that day?

Go to their website and complain.

Tandor · September 30

Lots of players have characters on both servers and it hasn't been possible to have different maintenance/patching times for the US and EU servers since the separate clients were replaced by a single one some years ago.

Juomuuri · September 30

I'm retired (can't work, disabled), have been since 2017. And I find it incredibly inconvenient that I can't log in after I wake up on a maintenance day. Like yeah, I sometimes manage to get out of bed before the maintenance starts (11 am my time) but it's still limiting my daily activities. I'd be happy if EU got its maintenance when our 3 time zones are asleep, preferably on Tuesday night. Why can't we have separate maintenances for the servers? It's weird. When I was playing WoW, EU server maintenance was at 3-4 am my time, which was perfectly fine, every Wednesday. Yeah yeah, I could play some other game etc but I'd like to play this one.

twev · September 30

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Are you going to pay their night shift allowance? Are you telling their families the workers can't spend time with them as they have to work off hours? Are you compensating the workers for ruining their work-life balance because they have to work different shifts during the week? No? Then don't ask for a "solution" that isn't one.

IT... WOULD... ONLY... BE... ONCE... EVERY... TWO... WEEKS!

Actually, it would only have to be twice every 3 server maintenance slots, as they rotated down time time slots for NA, EU, and AUS.
It'd only be fair that the each of the main zones gets a play slot during local prime time.

twev · September 30

Shanee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Solution for only those who complain though, right?
What about all those people who will be effected by the solution of changing the time? lol

The game never has 0 players online, so there's always going to be people effected.

The best solution is for you to change your real life schedule to fit the game updates. Then you'll never get effected!

Sure it does.
Like, right now, for instance....

Shanee · September 30

twev wrote: »

Shanee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Solution for only those who complain though, right?
What about all those people who will be effected by the solution of changing the time? lol

The game never has 0 players online, so there's always going to be people effected.

The best solution is for you to change your real life schedule to fit the game updates. Then you'll never get effected!

Sure it does.
Like, right now, for instance....

You win! haha

Dragonnord · September 30

twev wrote: »

Shanee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Solution for only those who complain though, right?
What about all those people who will be effected by the solution of changing the time? lol

The game never has 0 players online, so there's always going to be people effected.

The best solution is for you to change your real life schedule to fit the game updates. Then you'll never get effected!

Sure it does.
Like, right now, for instance....

Not really, since Consoles and PTS were still online.

LalMirchi · September 30

A game played worldwide cannot have scheduled & regular maintenance that will not inconvenience players in certain timezones. I'm thinking that the timing is to maximize the availability of the maintenance crew.

twev · September 30

Dragonnord wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Shanee wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing those with nothing to complain telling others to just accept their inconvenience every. two. weeks. For years.

Amazing people complaining for something that has no solution.

You know, ZOS can only use Earth days and times.

Amazing how some people can't read or simply choose to ignore the solution that's already been presented in multiple threads multiple times.

Solution for only those who complain though, right?
What about all those people who will be effected by the solution of changing the time? lol

The game never has 0 players online, so there's always going to be people effected.

The best solution is for you to change your real life schedule to fit the game updates. Then you'll never get effected!

Sure it does.
Like, right now, for instance....

Not really, since Consoles and PTS were still online.

True, but not the topic of the specific discussion, tho rotating the downed server time for consoles would be an equally applicable mode, as I posted in #54.

edit: Earned you an insightful, tho.
[and to correct a speeling errr.]

JonesFPS · September 30

I mean if ZoS was stationed in the EU the maintenance time would barely change for us here in the EU xD
Because they would be at work as most of us other EU citizens.
I get that it is inconveniant for some but jeez louis let those Americans work on their normal work hours, imagine yourself in their position and the audacy of some folks. Its just a few hours every other monday.

Gingaroth · September 30

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Gingaroth wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Besides, it’s not like this is a surprise. We get an incremental or maintenance every other Monday, unless there’s a holiday in the US (like the last one). And there’s always a forum banner.

That doesn’t do me any good. Monday has been my one fixed day off a week for 2 1/2 years now, non-negotiable. All the banner does is telling me I’m out of luck once again, as expected.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

»Oh, like how every event the Americans have 4 hours before they wake up to get the last day of event tickets while Europe has like 12 hours?

Events usually end on Thursdays. Which is not a day off for me, or for most other Europeans. I’ll have to get up early too if I want to get those last tickets. Reset time for events is 10am EST, isn’t it? So 07am if you’re on the west coast? That would give us about the same amount of time to play, if I want to get to work on time.

Events usually start on Thursdays and end on Tuesdays.

Don't mean this as an 'akshually' moment, just a heads up.

Wednesdays seemed like the logical choice because they could be slotted - with a bit of forethought - between events and unlikely to ever clash with a bank holiday (bare maybe the 4th of July? not sure) alas it would seem that consoles snatched that slot and can't do PC and console on the same day so we are a bit SoL on that regard.

Regarding times, given that the US territories span I don't know how many time zones it might be a ****ache to find a different time.

If memory serves the actual servers in the US are in Texas, which is CDT time zone so for the people on the datacentre (and players over there) maintenance starts at 2AM I think? or 3AM? not sure.

Either way APAC players are the ones that usually get well and truly shafted, for the rest of us is just varying degrees of inconvenience.

Guess is their fault for living in the future and handing us down used hours.

Wednesdays would be great for me, but I'm sure someone else would be short-changed instead. I just wish they didn't always do it on the same time and the same day.

If it's not possible to work on the EU and the US server at different times rotate maintenance between times convenient for Europe & Africa, the America’s, and Asia & Oceania. That way we all draw the short stick about once every 6 weeks, instead of the same people every 2 weeks.

As long as there aren’t any hardware issues, most ICT work can be done remote, so I don't think there would be any need for anyone to work nightshifts as long as you have teams in different parts of the world.