NA Dawnbreaker

illogicbh

I currently play for AD and we currently control every castle in this campaign. Its really boring actually, I am desperately begging other factions to join in the Dawnbreaker campaign and make it more interesting please.

Thank you,


P.S. to Devs: Gimme back my repeatable quest

FoleyX90

Yea we got destroyed last night by you guys (Daggerfall) to the point where everyone just left because you guys owned every single keep.

Hieru

Were you not on last night or Monday night? Last night was a blast with literally hours of pvp as DC took about 5 keeps away from AD at the height of the battles last night. As the night ended the sheer number advantage AD has in Dawnbreaker was evident as they took back all the keeps at the end of the night about 2am EST.

I know us Acolytes and Primal Instinct and some other DC guilds were out giving AD a run for their money with the numbers we had. Our Acolyte numbers will grow as most of our members are still leveling up in PVE with the 20 kill quest made daily. I will post some video of last night's fun and Monday night's fun tonight.

We haven't seen anything out of the EB side yet in Dawnbreaker. For those of you out there looking for a good campaign to join, join Dawnbreaker. AD side is locked. DC and EB are at one bar of population. We are putting up a good fight with being out numbered so greatly. If any DC/EB person or guild is still looking for a campaign to join with good competition then join Dawnbreaker to help us fight against the AD Zerg!!

HAROO!!

illogicbh

Hieru wrote: »

Were you not on last night or Monday night? Last night was a blast with literally hours of pvp as DC took about 5 keeps away from AD at the height of the battles last night. As the night ended the sheer number advantage AD has in Dawnbreaker was evident as they took back all the keeps at the end of the night about 2am EST.

I know us Acolytes and Primal Instinct and some other DC guilds were out giving AD a run for their money with the numbers we had. Our Acolyte numbers will grow as most of our members are still leveling up in PVE with the 20 kill quest made daily. I will post some video of last night's fun and Monday night's fun tonight.

We haven't seen anything out of the EB side yet in Dawnbreaker. For those of you out there looking for a good campaign to join, join Dawnbreaker. AD side is locked. DC and EB are at one bar of population. We are putting up a good fight with being out numbered so greatly. If any DC/EB person or guild is still looking for a campaign to join with good competition then join Dawnbreaker to help us fight against the AD Zerg!!

HAROO!!

I logged off at about 9pm EST last night. Im glad to hear it was a little more competitive! I think it will be a blast when all three factions are in full force. Right now it is just kind of boring when we control everything (this early in the game). When I am higher level and the perks mean more, I will enjoy being in control of everything

If that makes sense...

Kodiak

Hieru wrote: »

As the night ended the sheer number advantage AD has in Dawnbreaker was evident as they took back all the keeps at the end of the night about 2am EST.

Hrm...this sounds familiar...

Hieru

I like that people are making threads for each of the campaigns. It will give people/guilds that may have not chosen a campaign yet an idea of where more pop is needed where.

Godspeed

Not trying to be a jerk but this is what happens when everyone rolls the Zerg side.

driosketch

Kodiak wrote: »

Hieru wrote: »

As the night ended the sheer number advantage AD has in Dawnbreaker was evident as they took back all the keeps at the end of the night about 2am EST.

Hrm...this sounds familiar...

For those who don't get the inside joke. Dawnbreaker is basically how the PTS was during testing. (It's also why you're going to see tweaks now during live, hard to get an accurate picture of balance when the campaign is like that.)

Sometimes we would get something going like @Hieru described, but often those only lasted a few hours, and gains would be wiped out in a day if not over night. Also, please don't brag about action picking up or give the forums a heads up. You're going to invite a flood of AD finally looking for some action, and that's going to spook new reinforcements.

If you want to explore Cyrodiil at your leisure (AD), or looking for a challenge but only during certain windows of time when you can do something (DC/EP), stick with Dawnbreaker. But if you're looking for some more consistent PvP action, you need to check out other campaigns. ZOS lowered the cost of changing this month for a reason. Don't feel tied to your first choice.

Rescorla_ESO

The initial population imbalances should eventually balance out as long as ZOS doesn't add new campaigns until the existing ones are more evenly populated.

Replace "should eventually" with "will hopefully" if you like.

Hieru

I agree with Rescorla. I believe it is a time thing at the moment Most people, at least in our guild, are PVE'ing to level up and even more so now with the 20 kill being a daily. With AD being locked I am sure we will get more DC and EP players/guilds joining Dawnbreaker.

You have to expect the first round of campaigns are going to be testing the waters. After the first round of campaigns I wouldn't be surprised to see Zenimax reduce the number of campaigns if they see the pop is to spread out.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

If you think that Entropy Rising and PRX are zergs, you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Organization is a huge force multiplier in this game, and when you have population advantage on top of that, good luck gaining any lasting victories against them.

Hieru

Organization is huge no doubt. That is why we on the DC side have been able to take a few keeps and defend them, for a few hours, while being hugely out numbered. But yes, when one side hugely outnumbers both sides in due time the locked side, AD in this case, will end up with most if not all the keeps by morning.

I am willing to bet that AD will not own all of the keeps by the end of the three month campaign in Dawnbreaker. Over time the DC and EP will fill out, I am biased towards DC of course.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

@Hieru I sincerely hope that thats the case. I think capping populations in a campaigns is a brilliant idea that benefits every faction, since it ensures more even fights for everyone. If only Planetside 2 had that, and we could have avoided the nights where one faction would have 60+% of the server population at prime-time.

Kiash

I think it's going to balance out. I have been playing AD Dawnbreaker because it's the one our guild decided to go with before launch or a server list was even available. It's a shame EP is non-existant and DC only comes out every once in a while.

Here's to hoping launch will bring plenty of fresh blood!

Kodiak

@Kiash because there's a lot of people who are waiting for launch to play instead of just buying it and getting in now...?

Kiash

Kodiak wrote: »

@Kiash because there's a lot of people who are waiting for launch to play instead of just buying it and getting in now...?

Quite a bit, only about half of our guild is in game yet. I look for the population to effectively triple over the next month.

illogicbh

I know like ten people that are waiting for launch to see reviews before they buy. Some are under the delusion that there will be a price drop soon...yeah right.

Kodiak

Kiash wrote: »

Quite a bit, only about half of our guild is in game yet. I look for the population to effectively triple over the next month.

This defies history of most MMO games. Not saying it's impossible, only that it's extremely unlikely.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Kodiak wrote: »

Kiash wrote: »

Quite a bit, only about half of our guild is in game yet. I look for the population to effectively triple over the next month.

This defies history of most MMO games. Not saying it's impossible, only that it's extremely unlikely.

I dont know. The recent mmos i have tried and pay attention to, launch day was a big day. Now if you got your headstart and never looked back, you would never notice.

Kodiak

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I dont know. The recent mmos i have tried and pay attention to, launch day was a big day. Now if you got your headstart and never looked back, you would never notice.

Most modern MMOs people who want the game will buy it before usually because game developers dangle numerous pre-order rewards in front of you. The people who wait usually aren't the kind of people who are going to wait a few days till release and then buy the game, they typically wait a few months to see how well the game is doing a few months later and whether or not it's worth their time and investment.

The problem here is one created by players. A large number of AD guilds picked Dawnbreaker. No one really knows but them why they did this, but if I was guessing I'd say it was because they got some misinformation and thought they'd be facing groups of people there. Now they're pretty well invested into the campaign. They own the map. They have the leaderboard locked up and with the repeatable quests gone it'd be hard to climb further. They have an Emperor.

If they switch campaigns in search of competition they will lose most of those benefits or at the very least not contribute to their home campaign. It also creates problems because there's very few EP or DC dominated campaigns so it's not like they can just switch and be guaranteed good competition unless the pick one of the major campaigns (Auriel's or Wabbajack) which would mean queue times for their massive numbers which also sucks.

This dominance in turn also turns away competition. While there will always be some masochists out there who want to face down 3:1 odds only to invariably log and have all their work undone every night your vast majority of people do not want that experience. Those majorities are simply going to move on and find a server where there is competition with better odds.

Thus Dawnbreaker AD are stuck in a kinda bad situation. There's really no where for them to swap. There's really no one coming to face them for long periods of time. Their only real hope is that more people will come to their server so they avoid biting the bullet and abandoning the campaign which will likely split up that big alliance of groups. So they keep repeating it, over and over, "More people will come! Wait till launch day! It will get better as more people enter PvP!"

Kiash

We'll have to agree to disagree my friend, from everything I have seen on MMO releases, you won't reach max population and start losing people until the 6 month mark, with usually a decent preliminary drop around the end of the free month period as well.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Kodiak wrote: »

I agree and disagree with you. I do think you are underestimating the amount of people who will start at launch or shortly after.

But i agree with everything you said about balance. Next to no one will select a campaign dominated by a different faction. Anyone who has played any type of large scale pvp in a game designed with all playstyles in mind (trying not to use the word casual since i am one) knows it is true.

Medicius

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Kodiak wrote: »

...But i agree with everything you said about balance. Next to no one will select a campaign dominated by a different faction. Anyone who has played any type of large scale pvp in a game designed with all playstyles in mind (trying not to use the word casual since i am one) knows it is true.

^^This.

DAoC comes to mind for me. As does Shadowbane (a little) regarding those too-large guilds that were able to zerg everyone else into submission.

I like what ZOS has done with the campaigns, though I need to learn more before I can back up anything I say with facts. But based on what I'm reading, the above information is spot on.

On top of that, it sounds like those that had the now-daily quest as a repeatable quest are going to be light years beyond any new players. Meaning it's going to be extremely unbalanced for quite a long time. Even worse, it could just lead to players avoiding that campaign altogether in the hopes that they find a more balanced PVP effort elsewhere.

illogicbh

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Kodiak wrote: »

I agree and disagree with you. I do think you are underestimating the amount of people who will start at launch or shortly after.

But i agree with everything you said about balance. Next to no one will select a campaign dominated by a different faction. Anyone who has played any type of large scale pvp in a game designed with all playstyles in mind (trying not to use the word casual since i am one) knows it is true.

Yeah, thats what it was like in Rift. Everyone would choose a certain faction that always won and the remaining people would always get stuck with the loser faction...

Dleatherus

well, The Noore chose Dawnbreaker based upon a poll of our members - nothing more nothing less - no nefarious reasons or true/false intel involved - we also figured Auriel's Bow and Wabbajack would be high populations and were interested in a campaign that could accommodate all of our members choosing it as a home campaign

don't expect the campaigns to start stabilizing until around 2-3 weeks from now - our guild currently has 210 members - we will be at almost 400 after the 'official' launch tomorrow

of our current members many haven't even set foot in cyrodiil yet, and this includes the vast majority of those amongst us who are already in the VR ranks

we are actually guesting in Skull Crusher BECAUSE the odds there are 3-1 against us - the ENTIRE map is wiped blue every morning after we struggle to take 2-3 keeps a night - sound familiar

are we bothered by it? not in the least - WE LOVE IT! - not because we're pvp masochists - but because in order to win, we will have to out-think and outsmart our opponents, and we agree that we would rather win a campaign that we had to scratch and claw our way to get every single resource and keep, than zerg around and kill smurf of berry that dares to show their heads in an all-yellow map
it's this thing called pride in accomplishment

my thoughts are to not worry about this first 90 day campaign period - it's almost like a write off as they strive to balance things (should have been done during PTS in my opinion) - folks will start to see how things are shaking out and then choose campaigns based upon more solid information

my only wish is that ZOS would have made the first campaigns 30 day ones so folks don't feel stuck ot trapped - sure you can switch for 15,000AP, but folks who invested in a campaign might be reluctant to hop to another and be at the bottom of the leader boards for another 60 days - doesn't bother our community at The Noore - but in this day and age of instant gratification and folks not wanting their cluster of pixels to look worse than somebody else's cluster of pixels,we might well be in the minority

for us it's all about one thing, pure and simple - FUN

D.

Alomar

The AD "zerg" out in Dawnbreaker right now are the people who followed others there. The real pvp'ers are leveling and guesting in another campaign.

We have quite the amount of organized numbers, not the zerglings who followed, so I hope some EP & DC guilds get together and decide to come over in the following weeks for some good fun.

Kodiak

@Dleatherus‌ comparing a campaign that's usually 2 bars to Full and campaign where it's 1-2 bars is hardly a good comparison.

Dleatherus

@Kodiak‌

i'm comparing a campaign that has often been 3 DC bars to 1 EP and 1 AD bar - and at one time was locked DC and 1 EP and 1 AD

note that all campaigns have a minimum of 1 bar population, even iif they have ZERO players of that alliance in it
if for the sake of this discussion we assign that 1 bar = 0-249 players, 2 bars = 250-499, three bars = 500-749 - lock = 750 players, it is very easy to see that if you join a campaign with 1bar, and the enemy has 'just' 2 bars, you could still be vastly outnumbered by even more than the 3:1 i mentioned ie it could be 50 vs 400

not even sure why or where you're going with this?

D.

driosketch

@Dleatherus‌ , pretty sure Kodiak was referring to E R and PRX. You guys rolled Dawnbreaker as AD too? And everyone in the guild hasn't even entered the campaign yet? Ouch, that's just bad luck. You know you all aren't going to fit.

Dleatherus

yup, hence my comment about skull breaker and loving the fact that we're outnumbered usually by 3:1 or better

my comment to Kodiak was regarding his comment of

@Dleatherus‌ comparing a campaign that's usually 2 bars to Full and campaign where it's 1-2 bars is hardly a good comparison.

we're very concerned about how campaigns are being assigned at the moment

example, if just our guild migrates to Skull Crusher, and we slowly start to take the map back, as more of the 'bandwagon folks' jump on board, it will potentially mean that less of us that created the situation will be able to actually play together if the AD side starts getting locked out

I currently don't have a viable solution for this - have thought about having a max# of folks within a faction actually choose a given home campaign, and as long as they are in the campaign once every 72 hours they aren't booted from the 'home campaign roster' list
- if they are absent longer than that they get dropped and a space is opened up in that alliances 'active home campaign players' list

D.

GravityX19

Where are all of the other PvP guilds that were supposed to be rolling EP and DC on Dawnbreaker. Bring some fights so I stop messing with Bloodthorn and making Strawberry Jam with them...