Q on detect potions

LannStone

Just catching up on 40m detect stealth potions - can the nightblade see when this potion is in effect - any indicator?

LannStone

Somebody knows this ... right?

NyassaV

So...

There is something that will appear over the head of the pot users. But it's not the most consistent.

LannStone

NyassaV wrote: »

So...

There is something that will appear over the head of the pot users. But it's not the most consistent.

When I use the potion, I see the little eye thing over my head. But I've never been on the other side when somebody else uses the potion. Are you saying I would see the little eye thing over the guy using the potion if I were the nightblade?
Thanks

Bushido2513

LannStone wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

So...

There is something that will appear over the head of the pot users. But it's not the most consistent.

When I use the potion, I see the little eye thing over my head. But I've never been on the other side when somebody else uses the potion. Are you saying I would see the little eye thing over the guy using the potion if I were the nightblade?
Thanks

Sorry I figured someone else would pick this up. Yeah you will sometimes see an eye over the person using the potion but it's not always consistent. If you try to stealth you'll notice the potion pulling you out of stealth and then see the eye.

But I've also had someone chasing me with the potion and I couldn't see any indication they were using it.

moo_2021

LannStone wrote: »

Just catching up on 40m detect stealth potions - can the nightblade see when this potion is in effect - any indicator?

Nope. I was in stealth trying to move past an enemy and got caught. No indication until I got hit, and apparently the enemy pretended not seeing me until I got into melee range.

LannStone

Thanks for the replies

jasonleitch1_ESO

I believe that I have found the inconsistency in whether or not the "eye" (red detection eye above the character) shows.

The "eye" only seems to show if the potion specifically has the words "detect" or "detection" in the name. In this case, the potion is primarily a detection potion (any other effects are classified as secondary).

If "detect or "detection" is NOT in the name, then the "eye" does not appear above the character. In this case, the "detect" is not the primary function of the potion but rather a secondary effect (and hence, no "eye").

TLDR: You may or may not notice the red eye depending on the potion that they used to gain the stealth detection.

Just_Attivi

Theres another thread with good discussions about this, here, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/658699/shadow-cloak-question#latest

but to answer your question, copy pasted from that thread (some bits may be relevant to that thread, so ignore statements that seem to be referencing specific people/comments, but is all good info regarding detect pots/stealth detection in general):

Detect pots dont affect your 'Hidden' icon, so anyone who uses their detect/sorcery pots on cooldown does get random 15 second windows of seeing all the sneaks close by (cant tell you how many times I have been called a cheat because I drank my buff potion and saw a stealther lol). in this sense though, you will think you are 'hidden' when in reality whoever drank the potion can see you plain as day. with the stealther in all medium (someone can check the math/racial passives/set bonuses/CP etc if anyone cares that much) detection range with a pot is a similar range to most 28 meter skills.

someone correct me if im wrong, but I believe a player actively using invisibility (shadow cloak, vamp stage 4, invis pots) this detection range is brought down to 20 meters from the base 43.5, and is then modified further by armor/passives/CP/etc, but a detect pot will still reveal invis players within like 12-ish meters.

I dont have addons measuring distances, so all measures are estimates based on lagrodiil and targetable skills in my personal experiences.
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so with detect pots vs cloak:

Yes, they can detect your cloak, but they must be pretty close (theres various factors)

The little red detection eye that you see above your head is visible to enemy players (though they may not be looking at you, I know i catch a lot of sneaks by surprise. additionally, if you are in stealth and drink the potion, they will not see said icon unless they can already detect you).
HOWEVER, I have had some detect pots that DO NOT give me the little detection eye, but still detect stealth. I do not know why, whether its a specific combination, potion name, cyro lag, no idea, and not invested enough to care to test it. but that said, I assume the enemy will not see your detection eye if there are potion combinations that do not display it.

the "Sentry" set will alert you by making your hidden icon open and close 3 or 4 times in rapid succession. Sentry has a 100 meter range, stealth, invisible, it doesnt matter it will see it.

I wouldnt say detect pots are like mark, in that you can line of sight/move out of range reasonably easily if you know youre being hunted, where as mark makes the target remain visible for (i forget if it is the entire duration or if its like, 10 seconds or something, its not a skill I use often)
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the Red Eye above peoples heads does appear with detect pots, though as I said (and someone confirmed in a different thread) some combinations of the potion will not display the red eye (they said immoveable versions of the potion dont display the red eye). I do agree that all potions that provide detection should

You are correct that detect pots give no feedback (at least not until the detecting player is close enough to properly detect). though, if you are spamming cloak, that will overwrite potential detection notices unless you are forced out of stealth via magelight/flare/camo hunter etc.

I dont think the whole group sees enemies when you detect pot, and if it does, then ive had many group mates lie about detect pots lol. Generally you can detect pot and tag an enemy to pull them out of stealth

Zama666

hmmm a NB surprised they got caught.... irony

Amottica

LannStone wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

So...

There is something that will appear over the head of the pot users. But it's not the most consistent.

When I use the potion, I see the little eye thing over my head. But I've never been on the other side when somebody else uses the potion. Are you saying I would see the little eye thing over the guy using the potion if I were the nightblade?
Thanks

Dueling a friend to test this may work or meeting them in Cyrodiil on enemy factions a would be a solid test.

Amottica

Zama666 wrote: »

hmmm a NB surprised they got caught.... irony

Less experienced NBs tend to get surprised when their cloak fails due to a player using a counter. A more experienced NB is most skilled and not a one-trick pony, which, just like any skilled player, is more challenging to defeat. I tend to go after gankers and pull them out of stealth. They freak out as they tend to handle actual combat less effectively.