Housepricing and Sizes - Weird Lighthouse

Uvi_AUT

Hello ZOS,

I know that houses are more of a "financing through whaling"-thing, but I seriously wonder who actually buys all those 10k+ houses.
I cant believe Singleplayers do. The spaces are mostly too big to fill solo. And the running around is just tedious.
Guilds wont either, because seriously how big is the chance a guild will move the guildhouse at this point. Thats way too much work.

In case of the lighthouse:
You literally made something suited for a soloplayer. Its a literal small Lighthouse. The Undercroft and the Beach are way too small to serve a guild. They are however perfect for little decoration.
But, you charge 11k (which is about 100 Euros) anyway.

Are there really so many whales in this game that this kind of businessmodel pays off?

In summary: Please make at least some smaller houses in the 3-5krange for normal players, like you did at the beginnin of housing. I am sure it will be worth it financially.

LunaFlora

more small houses would be awesome!
especially gold purchaseable houses be it staple or classic or even notable like Hakkvild's High Hall.


however i am very confused why you say
"I cant believe Singleplayers do. The spaces are mostly too big to fill solo. And the running around is just tedious."

i just calmly walk around the big houses or if i wanna be fast use my speed buff build (medium armor Adept Rider + Jailbreaker for Major and Minor Expedition + Ring of the Wild Hunt).
And single players easily fill up any home by either making or buying furnishings.

most Housing enthusiasts want more slots precisely because it is so easy to fill up big houses for us.


and
"Guilds wont either, because seriously how big is the chance a guild will move the guildhouse at this point. Thats way too much work."

We now have the Grandmaster Crafting Stations so moving guild utility furnishings around housing is actually way less work than it used to be, before update 40.


edited to add:
when getting 11k crowns you'd get the 14k crown pack which costs 85 euros, still a Lot but not 100.

Uvi_AUT

LunaFlora wrote: »

And single players easily fill up any home by either making or buying furnishings.

I own the Grand Psijic Villa (from some kind of event for free, dont know which one). I ran around once and never since. I cant even theoretically see myself living there alone. Only thing I have there are some musicboxes for watching the ocean.

I live in Antiquarians Alpine Gallery. Its the perfect size. But even that one I cant fill up fully just for me alone.
Before I lived in Mournhold. But that one was too big in my view (too much running around to get to places). I even spread out my Craftingstations there.

In any case it doesnt matter anyway. I refuse to believe a soloplayer would pay 100 Euros for a house in an onlinegame, other than the whales (meaning professional sons and daughters of rich people).

thecatsme0w

I personally own all but 4 in game houses )Agony's Ascent, Kushalit Sanctuary, the Orbservatory Prior, and Jode's Embrace) and my goal is to own every house in the game. So yes, it is possible and I know at least 3 other people who also have the same goal as me.

cyclonus11

I have ESO+ and save the crowns used through that. I don't own EVERY notable home, but I do own a few. I also mostly solo.

valenwood_vegan

Just because *you* don't want to pay for, and take the time to decorate, a large house... it does not follow that others feel the same way.

That said, I a) think they are too expensive, costing more than a brand new AAA game; and b) find them difficult to decorate because the number of slots is not sufficient for the size of some of the houses.

That said, I enjoy housing and I own and have decorated psijic villa; and I purchased sweetwater cascades with gold for crowns and am working on decorating it. I also created a personal guild hall with all the crafting stations. Yes, all by myself.

And although I used to spend my eso plus crowns on smaller purchases, I have most of the stuff I need now and am saving up for another big house. Some people do enjoy housing, it's true.

[Quick edit, forgot to add that I do totally agree with the OP's request that they release some smaller houses and not just gigantic ones. I would probably buy more of them more frequently, whereas the gigantic ones are a rare purchase for me.].

Ashryn

Same here...
I have ESO + and am very good at saving crowns until there may be something that I want enough to make me part with them. I own that lighthouse and love it.

Adremal

The price would be ok if the coastal area wasn't so barren and the mountain area didn't have less polygons than a N64 game.
Honestly, it's embarrassing.

Necrotech_Master

i also have a fair number of the notable crown houses, but ive mainly bought the ones that interested me the most because the cost is so high

would i like to own all of the houses? absolutely, the free ports are great lol

SilverBride

I purchased Earthtear Cavern and the Grand Psijic Villa through our guilds crown exchange. They are both bigger than I prefer and I am happy with how they came out, but I honestly prefer to decorate midsized houses and wish there were more of them.

katanagirl1

I have bought all my crown houses with the crowns I get from subscribing. I find that a better value than spending a lot of crowns for cosmetics.

kind_hero

I bought several of these premium houses over the years. Am I a whale? No.

Let me tell you how this happened. I have simply played casually since release, and paid the sub. I tend to save crowns, exactly to afford some of the more premium content, such as a big house or some furnishing pack which is crowns only.

The challenge here is not to spend the crowns as soon as you get them. I only buy crowns on sale, and I do that probably once or twice a year, buying 5k for later use.

To be honest, I would like a way to sell some houses for crowns or gold. I hope the devs will implement a house transaction system, because it will help housing a lot and make players compete over furnished houses. I know people who make a lot of gold by furnishing houses for other players, so why not make this a system is beyond me.

My issue with the big houses is the absence of player placed teleporters, like internal wayshrines or portals, that would make large houses, palaces or places more traveled and interesting to decorate... Unfortunately, I don't see much change in this direction, but who knows..

KronikFlatulenz

I'm a single player who loves housing. I own a few notable homes. I buy them from crown sellers as I'd never pay 100+ for an imaginary house. There are housing guilds who do change their guild houses, too. Having said that, I'm really REALLY tired of all the new houses being notable. I would love more staple and classic houses.

Uvi_AUT

To all the "I save my Crowns"people. You still pay 100 Euros, just with credit you saved instead of instantly.

Plus, I tend not to believe you. You really save up everything and never buy things like Armoryslots, Dress-Slots, Housingitems etc.?
Sound fishy to me.

You guys really send the wrong message to the Devs here. Basically youre saying that whaling is okay.
Think about it that way. One of those homes cost about as much as a human with minimum wage can afford to pay for food per month....

LunaFlora

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

To all the "I save my Crowns"people. You still pay 100 Euros, just with credit you saved instead of instantly.

Plus, I tend not to believe you. You really save up everything and never buy things like Armoryslots, Dress-Slots, Housingitems etc.?
Sound fishy to me.

You guys really send the wrong message to the Devs here. Basically youre saying that whaling is okay.
Think about it that way. One of those homes cost about as much as a human with minimum wage can afford to pay for food per month....

the houses exist and people want to decorate them so if they can purchase them they do.
even if you don't believe it.

Araneae6537

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

To all the "I save my Crowns"people. You still pay 100 Euros, just with credit you saved instead of instantly.

Plus, I tend not to believe you. You really save up everything and never buy things like Armoryslots, Dress-Slots, Housingitems etc.?
Sound fishy to me.

You guys really send the wrong message to the Devs here. Basically youre saying that whaling is okay.
Think about it that way. One of those homes cost about as much as a human with minimum wage can afford to pay for food per month....

Armory slots and outfit slots — talk about overpriced items! Not that I haven’t bought several of those, usually on sale, occasionally regretted…

It’s perfectly reasonable, OP, for you to communicate to ZOS your thoughts on the game, pricing, etc. and what you’d like to see. It’s pointlessly rude and unfair to judge and characterize those who do buy the items. And then on top of that, when several people tell you how they afford it, you accuse them of falsehood. A year’s sub to ESO+ comes with more than enough Crowns (19.8k) buy a notable house (13-15k average?) plus several additional furnishings, convenience upgrades, or whatever else one wishes. As has been stated, many have also bought houses and other Crown items with gold for Crown items. And if people want to and can afford additional Crown packs, on sale or otherwise, for things they enjoy in game, that is their business, and none of yours.

valenwood_vegan

Well sorry to break it to you OP; but I don't care one bit what you think about how I spend my crowns or gold, or if you "believe" me.

As many have stated, people sub to this game and get more than enough crowns to buy a house every year. If that's what one enjoys, how is that any less reasonable than spending the crowns on a bunch of armory slots or outfit slots (also huge rip-offs) or crown cosmetics or whatever else?

It's too bad because good points were brought up about the excessive price and size of crown houses, and the lack of smaller, more reasonable options. But instead you want to name-call and accuse people of dishonesty. Good luck with that approach.

katanagirl1

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

To all the "I save my Crowns"people. You still pay 100 Euros, just with credit you saved instead of instantly.

Plus, I tend not to believe you. You really save up everything and never buy things like Armoryslots, Dress-Slots, Housingitems etc.?
Sound fishy to me.

You guys really send the wrong message to the Devs here. Basically youre saying that whaling is okay.
Think about it that way. One of those homes cost about as much as a human with minimum wage can afford to pay for food per month....

I have only bought crowns for my first crown house, I think it was 3000 crowns. I have been a subscriber for many years, since I do housing and crafting I really appreciate the extra slots for the house and the craft bag. I save up the crowns for the things I really want.

Yes I have bought a few armory slots and outfit slots, not many. I haven’t bought a house for a couple of years so I picked up a decon assistant and the new atronach banker and merchant. Things I can get with seals of endeavor are nice but not everything can be obtained that way.

I am most certainly not a whale in this game. I have never used my crowns to buy crown crates.

Wildberryjack

We need more smaller houses. Lately notables is all they seem to be making. That lighthouse would have been perfect if it had been on a very small island instead of having that huge outside area.

Honestly the boat house would have been better too if it had been a fraction of its size, maybe instead like all the ones we can board everywhere in the game world. I got that boat and have the upper deck and captain's quarters decorated but now I have that massive crew quarters and cargo hold with hardly any slots left so as of now I'm just ignoring those areas. Also, who goes down there anyway?

When was the last time they even added a smaller house other than Kelesan'ruhn? We need more small and medium houses bad.

LunaFlora

Wildberryjack wrote: »

We need more smaller houses. Lately notables is all they seem to be making. That lighthouse would have been perfect if it had been on a very small island instead of having that huge outside area.

Honestly the boat house would have been better too if it had been a fraction of its size, maybe instead like all the ones we can board everywhere in the game world. I got that boat and have the upper deck and captain's quarters decorated but now I have that massive crew quarters and cargo hold with hardly any slots left so as of now I'm just ignoring those areas. Also, who goes down there anyway?

When was the last time they even added a smaller house other than Kelesan'ruhn? We need more small and medium houses bad.

Necrom has Emissary's Enclave and an inn room.
Gold Road will probably get Rosethorn Hall in Skingrad and of course an inn room.
so both classic and staple.

i also want more smaller homes, but every chapter except Elsweyr and High isle had at least 1 classic home so we do get them.


Though to be specific Kelesan'ruhn and the chapter classics have all been large homes.
Medium homes are Bouldertree Refuge with a maximum limit of 400 furnishing slots.
And small homes are staples like Autumn's Gate with 200 slots.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Player_Housing

tsaescishoeshiner

I don't think there's a guild vs whale vs solo player discrepancy here. Almost everyone I know who buys houses that large, including myself, buys them for themselves and to show their friends, not using guild resources or for guild events.

I save up my ESO+ Crowns to spend on houses, like other players. You get 19k Crowns a year just from ESO+, and we get about 8 new houses per year, so that's more than enough to only get the 1 or 2 that you actually like.

I also buy houses from other players with my gold--some of whom save up their Crowns to sell them, some of whom buy Crowns.

A lot of solo players spend a lot of money on Crowns, so I'm not sure what the guild vs whale vs solo player discrepancy is here.

Ye_Olde_Crowe

I love housing, I play solo, I’m not a professional rich kid, and yet I own all houses minus three. And I enjoy walking around the premises. A lot.
Gaming is my hobby, housing is my hobby, I work hard for my money and I can spend it however I want. Yes, I save my +crowns. Yes, I also buy crowns. And I agree that homes are way too expensive. Were they cheaper, I would probably get the three missing homes as well. And yes, I‘d love to see more small and medium-sized homes! The big ones rarely look cozy because there aren’t enough slots to make them cozy. And the limit for placing animated objects is too low for my taste.

ghastley

The lighthouse is an interesting case, as it does have the house/undercroft/grounds division more clearly than just about any of the houses. Even though it is huge, you can clutter the house part to look lived-in at the expense of the rest, without that other part looking wrong in any way. Equally, you could outfit the undercroft as a guildhall, with a nominal attached residence, or go crazy outdoors and treat the buildings as incidental.

Whether this flexibility justifies the price is up to the buyer.

Northwold

The houses are astonishingly expensive and wildly overpriced, yes. They shouldn't be and it's quite galling.

BUT it's perfectly conceivable that solo players buy them, even without spending additional real world cash beyond what you already spend. ESO plus gives you a big chunk of crowns. Two years worth and you have the price of the most expensive notables. Without waiting, you can top up with real world money to get to the house's price and it's less expensive (although still leaves a bad taste in the mouth).

I'm a solo player and a casual player. I've no interest whatever in armoury slots, costumes, etc (I run around in servants robes I got from some base main story quest -- they look more realistic and appealing to me than essentially any of the cosmetics available). My only interest on that side of the game is housing.

As for furnishing the houses, there are some houses I would never buy because they are too big in inappropriate ways.

Straight off the bat I will almost never buy big houses where different parts are separated by loading screens -- it's just annoying and looks ridiculous to run through vast empty spaces (not enough slots) to the bit of the house I do like and have furnished. I also won't buy house that have no realistic way to hide or ignore sections I will not use. I won't buy houses with very fussy structures / layouts that demand a lot of furnishings to look right, because there aren't enough slots to make it feel real and you can't really imprint your own personal taste on what you build. And I won't buy houses that have no natural light.

That leaves houses with big, monumental structures that lend themselves to a very spaced out aesthetic. Furnishing them can be done although getting enough furnishings as a solo player takes a long, long time so, yes, it's not a two-day project.

Thieves Oasis took me literally years (see https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/598074/thieves-oasis-and-gardens ), but I love the place.

PS For the avoidance of doubt, I agree that more smaller houses should be available and quite frankly I think the slot limit for them should remain at 700. And the newer houses are getting ridiculous in terms of size and fussy intricacy. Eg, to my tastes, Pantherfang was the number one thing I'd been dreaming of -- a chapel bursting with light from the windows with towering ceilings. But then they built an entire fortress around it with a ludicrous number of different spaces, ruining it and making it look like someone dropped a chapel into a parking lot. I will never buy it and I guess will never get that standalone chapel I would love to build out.

Lugaldu

I buy the large properties when there is enough space to build something on them. I love the lighthouse, I used the rock in the middle of the island for building a castle.

MageCatF4F

Nice castle. Great idea for the property. Every once in a while I actually build a house on one of my properties, as opposed to "other" structures. Your castle suggests some ideas. Did you have enough slots for an interior? Probably not.

Lugaldu

Thanks! But I did manage to also furnish it inside too as well as the lighthouse and the underground area.

Villainy

Would also like more blank palate house spaces, medium houses for gold or crowns, and especially a ramshackle house in apocrypha rather than just the gargantuan house.

Wildberryjack

Smaller houses would be nice. All the ones in the store lately have been notables and the two new ones that haven't gone on sale yet are also. We can't always afford that many crowns Zos so some smaller and cheaper houses would be appreciated.

gusthermopyle

You're clearly not familiar with the housing community in ESO.

We can take a large scale house and re-skin/customise it, block off areas etc. We like it, and plenty of folks who then visit our homes like it too.

Yes, they are expensive. Yes, that means some of us spend our hard-earned monies on them. Come see some of our (solo) work and educate yourself on what other people can achieve creatively and artistically.

Then, if you want to shout at Zos about something housing related then shout at them about why we still haven't got any weapoins/armour furnishings

SilverBride

gusthermopyle wrote: »

You're clearly not familiar with the housing community in ESO.

We can take a large scale house and re-skin/customise it, block off areas etc. We like it, and plenty of folks who then visit our homes like it too.

I know that it's common for some to block off areas of the larger homes, but this is something I would never feel comfortable doing. I like to work with what is there, and sometimes I do expand on the structures, but I never block off any portion.