Crafter's Celebration Event: Double writ voucher not working?

belial5221_ESO

Would be better as "During event Master Writs recieved from daily crafting will have double voucher value" or something similar.The other way sound like turning them in gives double.

virtus753

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

Can you ask the devs to clarify how this process of increasing voucher rewards is being done? Is it that voucher values normally have tenths of a point we don’t see and those are getting exactly doubled to produce odd numbers in some cases? Because we can’t see the code and don’t know if that’s the case (which is one possibility) or if this wording is somehow being used to convey that the game rolls two separate values and adds them (just like what happens with Plentiful Harvest, whose tooltip erroneously claims it “doubles the yield” of a node when in most cases it rolls again instead of doubling the original roll).

I would also suggest replacing the term “created” here because master writs are not themselves created by us. The writs are generated by the game; the pieces to fulfill those writs are created by us. This has been a point a confusion where some people have believed that crafting the item for the writ during the event is the condition for double vouchers, when in fact the writ itself has to be generated during the event to qualify.

spartaxoxo

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

"+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs looted/generated from all sources during this event."

spartaxoxo

@ZOS_Kevin

BTW is there an increase chance of getting rare improvement mats from refining raw material during this event or is it only deconstructing? I noticed the endeavor is encouraging us to refine

tmbrinks

virtus753 wrote: »

tincanman wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

I just got a master writ, about ten minutes ago, completed the writ and never got the +100% on the writ vouchers?

This was a sealed blacksmithing writ worth 201 writ vouchers (legendary) and when turned in, I received 201 writ vouchers.

At first I thought that perhaps the amount on the actual voucher before handing in would show the +100 %, but that can't work with an odd number as 201 wont divide by 2 and give a whole number.

So not sure this aspect of the event is working as intended?

Note that I have had quite a few legendary master writs with over 200 writ vouchers prior to this event.

I just had a guildie tell me they got a master writ from crafting dailies today(i.e. during event) worth 131 (gold, wood) so it's not pre-doubling the master writ vouchers on master writ generation (not evenly divisible by 2 as you noted). When they completed and turned in the master writ they only got 131 writ vouchers. It's not a ui glitch as inventory shows 131, too; attempts to deposit in bank similarly show 131.

This part of the 'event' it seems is also completely borked.

Did anyone at zos actually TEST any of this stuff before pushing it out?

@ZOS_Kevin

The way ZOS uses "doubled" (see Plentiful Harvest) does not always mean literal x2.

With Plentiful Harvest, the game rolls again for what you get (except for alchemy mats, which it literally does double).

For example, you pick a cloth plant node with PH slotted. The game rolls for 3 or 4 for the base pull. It rolls for PH, and if successful, it rolls again for 3 or 4. You can end up with 7 of the base mat even though PH promises it "doubles" your pull.

If they are using it in a similarly imprecise manner here, the voucher value can be an odd number but still have rolled twice.

The "doubled" in this case is of the value of the master writ BEFORE it's been rounded (or truncated), based on their formula for the number of vouchers something is worth based on set, traits, motif, etc...

If rounded... Before the event, one that calculates to 7.4 vouchers gets rounded down to 7. But 7.4 x 2 = 14.8 which rounds to 15, hence the odd numbers. (and one that is 7.6 gets rounded to 8, but 7.6 x 2 = 15.2, which rounds to 15)

If truncated... Before the event, one that calculates to 7.8 vouchers gets truncated to 7. But 7.8 x 2 = 15.6, truncated to 15... etc...

There are so many different combinations... I started to track for a bit, but couldn't be bothered to try and figure out the formula.

But I'm sure it's one of these two behaviors for the master writs.

tmbrinks

spartaxoxo wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin

BTW is there an increase chance of getting rare improvement mats from refining raw material during this event or is it only deconstructing? I noticed the endeavor is encouraging us to refine

A friend of mine tested refining 40k raw mats.

The results were within normal expected values for refining w/ MD and 3/3 in the passives.

So if there is an adjustment in refining rates, it's very small.

tmbrinks

virtus753 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

Can you ask the devs to clarify how this process of increasing voucher rewards is being done? Is it that voucher values normally have tenths of a point we don’t see and those are getting exactly doubled to produce odd numbers in some cases? Because we can’t see the code and don’t know if that’s the case (which is one possibility) or if this wording is somehow being used to convey that the game rolls two separate values and adds them (just like what happens with Plentiful Harvest, whose tooltip erroneously claims it “doubles the yield” of a node when in most cases it rolls again instead of doubling the original roll).

I would also suggest replacing the term “created” here because master writs are not themselves created by us. The writs are generated by the game; the pieces to fulfill those writs are created by us. This has been a point a confusion where some people have believed that crafting the item for the writ during the event is the condition for double vouchers, when in fact the writ itself has to be generated during the event to qualify.

They have decimals. They're rounded (or truncated).

In the event, they're doubled, which can lead to the "doubled" value being either plus or minus 1 (or exactly) double the old value, depending on method of rounding.

virtus753

tmbrinks wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

Can you ask the devs to clarify how this process of increasing voucher rewards is being done? Is it that voucher values normally have tenths of a point we don’t see and those are getting exactly doubled to produce odd numbers in some cases? Because we can’t see the code and don’t know if that’s the case (which is one possibility) or if this wording is somehow being used to convey that the game rolls two separate values and adds them (just like what happens with Plentiful Harvest, whose tooltip erroneously claims it “doubles the yield” of a node when in most cases it rolls again instead of doubling the original roll).

I would also suggest replacing the term “created” here because master writs are not themselves created by us. The writs are generated by the game; the pieces to fulfill those writs are created by us. This has been a point a confusion where some people have believed that crafting the item for the writ during the event is the condition for double vouchers, when in fact the writ itself has to be generated during the event to qualify.

They have decimals. They're rounded (or truncated).

In the event, they're doubled, which can lead to the "doubled" value being either plus or minus 1 (or exactly) double the old value, depending on method of rounding.

Thank you for explaining!

It may help then for ZOS to explain that odd numbers are to be expected here, since it is not apparent how this works normally in game. We only ever see integers, so it makes sense for people to think that odd numbers are an indication the event is not working properly.

Erissime

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

+100% Writ Vouchers available only from Master Writs earned during the event

The Master Writs are being earned in order to be created by the crafter - so that "created during" is awfully confusing. It goes to say "if you create your master writs during the event they'll all of a sudden drop double" - bad choice there (because many save those for such times - there is one event in the summer which gives rewards for delivering these) so it is natural to go spam them for many - hence the disappointment.

MateriaGirl

I wasted time, gold and materials on the master writs thinking I would get double the vouchers once I turned them in. Its the word "created" that is misleading, which I took to mean the player "creates" the writ by crafting it and turning it in for vouchers. What a disappointment!

mctaff

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ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

"All Master Writs that are awarded as part of the Daily Crafting Writs during this event will be worth 100% of the normal writ value when completed."

Shara_Wynn

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

Ok I take it from that response that it is working as intended and the writs are being "doubled" or as near as.

GLP323b14_ESO

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

Assuming it's supposed to provide twice as many writ vouchers on newly dropped Master Writs (as opposed to giving you twice as many vouchers on any Master Writs crafted and turned in), then I would have it say...

Double Writ Vouchers on Master Writs which drop during the event

or

Master Writs dropped during the event worth twice as many Vouchers

Maybe bold during .

Although we were all much more excited when we thought our existing Master Writs were worth twice as many vouchers. 😕

Sarannah

Have to agree it was worded a bit strange, but I did notice the word "created". So for me I knew what was going on.

Better would have been what someone said above: Master writs received during this event will have their voucher amount doubled.

jahaposada

Just change created to rewarded? It's pretty clear then. Players don't think they are creating master writs, they're rewarded with them. In fact, created implies the creation of the item, making people think all master writs are in play.

If it had been on an announcement notice a day or two prior to the event, the player base would have immediately been asking the question and this could have been avoided. Guess it was supposed to be a surprise.

cyclonus11

What about writs purchased on traders? Is there a way to tell them apart?

tmbrinks

cyclonus11 wrote: »

What about writs purchased on traders? Is there a way to tell them apart?

they just have higher voucher values coded into them. The doubled amount shows up in the tooltip.

So look for the number of vouchers.

Edit for clarity:

Master writs don't get doubled value when you turn them in.
Master writs that are generated by the game during the event by doing daily writs are worth twice as many vouchers.

Normally a Gold Blacksmithing Nirnhoned Body piece master writ is worth ~110 vouchers... during the event it's worth ~220 vouchers.

freespirit

How about

"+100% Writ Vouchers added to all Master Writs earned during the event"?

Destai

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

There's some other good suggestions here, but here's mine:

"Master Writs earned during the event will award +100% Writ Vouchers when completed at any time. Master Writs earned before the event do not count towards this bonus."

Few points:
1. Start including existing Master Writs in these kinds of events. People hoard them so we can get the maximum value for them. It's best to work with how players actually experience the game.
2. I don't think there's intention to mislead, I think there's some skill gaps and process issues.
3. Who is "the team"? Are they developers, website editors, like what kind of role are they? What's their knowledge level of the game? When dealing with change management issues, it's good to have an idea of your audience and actors.
4. In my experience, when a lot of these situations come up, it's a developer and change management person not understanding each other. That disconnect usually happens because they don't have the level of platform knowledge the developer does, but still have to communicate that technical topic.. And there's no translator for them. And there's a crunch, so finding that translator isn't feasible. Is that approximately what's happening here?

Lugaldu

The thing with the master writs makes absolutely no sense... Yesterday I didn't get a single master writ with my 4 craftsmen, today I got 1! What kind of “bonus” is that supposed to be for such a short mini-event, it’s not an incentive at all...

Tayra_Evenstar

Just turned in an old legendary jewelry writ worth > 600 tickets, thinking it would be worth double. Very disappointed. Also listed a whole load of writs I couldn't craft on the guild store, thinking this would be a perfect time to sell them. Guess that's a bust too.

Dragonnord

I just got a 368 jewelry master writ from doing the dailies, crafted it, delivered to the NPC and got 368 vouchers.

I should have received 736 vouchers, right?

Again, I got the master writ TODAY, it wasn't an old one.
 

CGPsaint

Comment deleted as my views and opinions are not relevant to ZoS.

Dragonnord

CGPsaint wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

I just got a 368 jewelry master writ from doing the dailies, crafted it, delivered to the NPC and got 368 vouchers.

I should have received 736 vouchers, right?

Again, I got the master writ TODAY, it wasn't an old one.

@ZOS_Kevin
 

That isn't how it works. Any writs that are received DURING the event will have double the amount of writ vouchers listed on the Master Writ. If it says 368 Writ Vouchers, then that IS the doubled amount that you will receive when turning in.

Oh! Got it now. No issues then. Thanks for the clarification.

Tenthirty2

Ok I'm sorry but this pisses me off.
I had a crap week and was really looking forward to this event this weekend, I love crafting, I also need lots of writs so it was perfect. Just some nice easy, low-impact activities and also feel like I'm being properly rewarded for my time invested.

But after reading this thread now as I understand there is literally NO added benefit for me doing any of the banked writs I have saved.
The event wording was poorly thought out, as @MateriaGirl above points out and I took it the same way they did.

If it is truly ONLY for these "special earned during the event" writs then this event is quite frankly crap.
What was the point of it?

So:
Yesterday I did daily writs on 15 characters, I didn't get a single master writ to drop as a reward.
This event is only 4 days long.
A "special event" master writ can only drop once per daily writ quest turned in, across 15 characters?...
And I got 0...

Again, what is the point of it?

Ok so transmute costs are -50% (but ONLY for trait changing) great, I'm already low on transmute stones...

Why the hells would it have been so bad to make the writ rewards doubled for ANY MASTER WRIT? Pre-existing or dropped during the event? That would have made the event worth it.

But oh noes! People might get tons of writ vouchers!
SO. WHAT.
Everything about this game is grinding, TO THE EXTREME at times. Would it have been so awful to actually give some extra bonuses to the players for the time you expect them to spend on your game?

Its only 4 days so I doubt it would unbalance the writ voucher industry to the point of economic collapse /s

This "brand-new Crafter’s Celebration" could have been so much better with very little effort.

/rant

ESO_player123

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

Ok I'm sorry but this pisses me off.
I had a crap week and was really looking forward to this event this weekend, I love crafting, I also need lots of writs so it was perfect. Just some nice easy, low-impact activities and also feel like I'm being properly rewarded for my time invested.

But after reading this thread now as I understand there is literally NO added benefit for me doing any of the banked writs I have saved.
The event wording was poorly thought out, as @MateriaGirl above points out and I took it the same way they did.

If it is truly ONLY for these "special earned during the event" writs then this event is quite frankly crap.
What was the point of it?

So:
Yesterday I did daily writs on 15 characters, I didn't get a single master writ to drop as a reward.
This event is only 4 days long.
A "special event" master writ can only drop once per daily writ quest turned in, across 15 characters?...
And I got 0...

Again, what is the point of it?

Ok so transmute costs are -50% (but ONLY for trait changing) great, I'm already low on transmute stones...

Why the hells would it have been so bad to make the writ rewards doubled for ANY MASTER WRIT? Pre-existing or dropped during the event? That would have made the event worth it.

But oh noes! People might get tons of writ vouchers!
SO. WHAT.
Everything about this game is grinding, TO THE EXTREME at times. Would it have been so awful to actually give some extra bonuses to the players for the time you expect them to spend on your game?

Its only 4 days so I doubt it would unbalance the writ voucher industry to the point of economic collapse /s

This "brand-new Crafter’s Celebration" could have been so much better with very little effort.

/rant

Including the existing writs would be unfair to people who have none banked or those who completed a bunch of them recently. There is actually a thread about poor event timing where people expressed displeasure that they did their writs right before the event and missed out on the opportunity to get the double amount of vouchers (The posts were made before it was sorted out that the banked writs do not qualify).

Even though I have a lot of writs banked, I think it was the right decision (albeit poorly worded).

silentxthreat

@ZOS_Kevin is there any known lag/ping problems with this event? i made a post in pc tech support but no response. dozens of players saying the same thing in zone and guild though so just wondering if maybe something being worked on in the backround

Tenthirty2

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

Ok I'm sorry but this pisses me off.
I had a crap week and was really looking forward to this event this weekend, I love crafting, I also need lots of writs so it was perfect. Just some nice easy, low-impact activities and also feel like I'm being properly rewarded for my time invested.

But after reading this thread now as I understand there is literally NO added benefit for me doing any of the banked writs I have saved.
The event wording was poorly thought out, as @MateriaGirl above points out and I took it the same way they did.

If it is truly ONLY for these "special earned during the event" writs then this event is quite frankly crap.
What was the point of it?

So:
Yesterday I did daily writs on 15 characters, I didn't get a single master writ to drop as a reward.
This event is only 4 days long.
A "special event" master writ can only drop once per daily writ quest turned in, across 15 characters?...
And I got 0...

Again, what is the point of it?

Ok so transmute costs are -50% (but ONLY for trait changing) great, I'm already low on transmute stones...

Why the hells would it have been so bad to make the writ rewards doubled for ANY MASTER WRIT? Pre-existing or dropped during the event? That would have made the event worth it.

But oh noes! People might get tons of writ vouchers!
SO. WHAT.
Everything about this game is grinding, TO THE EXTREME at times. Would it have been so awful to actually give some extra bonuses to the players for the time you expect them to spend on your game?

Its only 4 days so I doubt it would unbalance the writ voucher industry to the point of economic collapse /s

This "brand-new Crafter’s Celebration" could have been so much better with very little effort.

/rant

Including the existing writs would be unfair to people who have none banked or those who completed a bunch of them recently. There is actually a thread about poor event timing where people expressed displeasure that they did their writs right before the event and missed out on the opportunity to get the double amount of vouchers (The posts were made before it was sorted out that the banked writs do not qualify).

Even though I have a lot of writs banked, I think it was the right decision (albeit poorly worded).

Yeah, fair points I agree.
I'm mostly whining bcuz I had my plans blown out, but I do agree this could have been planned out better.

CrashTest

Very poor wording. I just wasted a lot of mats and gold because I "created" Master Writs I had stockpiled and bought.

CrashTest

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, seeing some of the comments here. There is no intention to deliberately mislead anyone. If there is a better way to word this that would make things clearer to you and your communities, please note that here. Just a one line you would replace with, "+100% Writ Vouchers earned from Master Writs created during the event".

We can take that to the team and see if we can make a change or wordsmith something to a similar effect to clarify this. As it seems we could have made things clear.

+100% bonus Writ Vouchers added to Master Writs earned during the event

or

+100% bonus Writ Vouchers added to Master Writs earned during the event *(bonus doesn't apply to Master Writs earned before the event)