Force players into something they absolutely HATE

Aerin

[snip]

I freakin' need to level up my skills, Horn and Barrier. I know damn well I'll need these skills for my PVE-only playstyle, but guess what? I'm forced to dive headfirst into PVP for this garbage. I loathe PVP, I mean, I seriously, really, utterly hate PVP in ESO. You have no freakin' clue how this crap drives me up the wall, and I'm itching to unleash a whole string of expletives because of it.

Put an end to this madness, [snip]! This isn't fun for those of us who abso-freakin'-lutely HATE PVP. Sure, some folks might enjoy it, whatever! But for the rest of us, we're livid. Stop this insanity, for the love of all that's holy!!!!! We need some other damn way to acquire those skills without having to endure PVP. We couldn't care less about PVP; we despise it, but we damn well need those skills.

EDIT:
I'm stuck doing these damn battlegrounds every single day, just hoping to get EXP. But here's the kicker: My team has to be TOP1 or TOP2 to even stand a chance at getting the experience. Are you kidding me? STOP THIS [snip] MADNESS! It's driving me insane!

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Soarora

To be honest, I think the worst thing is that tanks and healers specifically need it. DPSing in PvP is one thing, healing, even. But tanking? Man, I was having 7+ minute fights for my life with NPCs in Cyrodiil on a tank. Not a PvP tank so can't even live against other players. Feelsbad.

If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it, need one more level...

ESO_player123

I do not PvP as well (ever), but War Horn in just rank 4 if I'm correct. You can get to rank 3 by just doing short initial quests in Cyrodiil (no PvP involved whatsoever). I always do them on my new toons to unlock Continuous Assault for Major Gallop. Barrier is rank 6, right? Well, this month we get 100K+ AP for daily rewards.

ZDunlain

Aerin wrote: »

[snip]

I freakin' need to level up my skills, Horn and Barrier. I know damn well I'll need these skills for my PVE-only playstyle, but guess what? I'm forced to dive headfirst into PVP for this garbage. I loathe PVP, I mean, I seriously, really, utterly hate PVP in ESO. You have no freakin' clue how this crap drives me up the wall, and I'm itching to unleash a whole string of expletives because of it.

Put an end to this madness, [snip]! This isn't fun for those of us who abso-freakin'-lutely HATE PVP. Sure, some folks might enjoy it, whatever! But for the rest of us, we're livid. Stop this insanity, for the love of all that's holy!!!!! We need some other damn way to acquire those skills without having to endure PVP. We couldn't care less about PVP; we despise it, but we damn well need those skills.

EDIT:
I'm stuck doing these damn battlegrounds every single day, just hoping to get EXP. But here's the kicker: My team has to be TOP1 or TOP2 to even stand a chance at getting the experience. Are you kidding me? STOP THIS [snip] MADNESS! It's driving me insane!


[snip]

Imagine as a PvP player what we do in order to get equipment and leads... THATS RIGHT DUDE! PVE! All builds needs more or less PvE.
If I want the Undaunted passives, I need to do A LOT of PvE that I dont really care but the differenc3e is that I understand how trhe game is and don't complain.
If you are annoyed, just join a zerg and eazy way to get that done.

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RetPing

You could level thiose skills in the time you spent writing this essay, doing zero pvp.
do introductory quest, repair some wall, job done.

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SeaGtGruff

(1) What does this have to do with the PTS? This thread should probably be moved to a more appropriate forum.

(2) There are ways to acquire AP and level Alliance War skills without actively engaging in PvP. Asking the forum for the best methods of doing that might be helpful.

Aerin

ZDunlain wrote: »

"...If you are annoyed, just join a zerg and eazy way to get that done.

oO?! Join what?!

Tyrant_Tim

There are several towns with repeatable dailies in Cyrodiil that reward Alliance Points. Best bet is to wait for your faction to own the map and just get your town dailies done. There are really great sets to be had that way, like Deadly which you can earn from the Bruma dailies.

If you’re worried about PvP at those, Chorrol and Cheydinhal are off the beaten path, completely unmarked, with the reduced Population Caps the towns are virtually empty.

Aerin

ZDunlain wrote: »

Imagine as a PvP player what we do in order to get equipment and leads... THATS RIGHT DUDE! PVE! All builds needs more or less PvE.
If I want the Undaunted passives, I need to do A LOT of PvE that I dont really care but the differenc3e is that I understand how trhe game is and don't complain.
If you are annoyed, just join a zerg and eazy way to get that done.

You enjoy PVP? Well, good for you, [snip].
You need to progress in PVE but despise PVP? Demand some damn changes. You find it utterly senseless to grind through PvP for your PVE build? Speak up and demand change.

You revel in the current system? Fantastic! [snip]

I detest it. I fail to comprehend why it's remotely enjoyable to coerce players into PVP or thrust them into PVP zones against their will.

I adore PVE. Do I demand to slay the hardest bosses with a single stroke? No. Where's the challenge in that?
You love PVP and relish obliterating noobs in a single blow? Great! [snip]

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M_Volsung

I've been in cyrodil exactly three times, going after the skyshards...

Now that I've done that and can use crowns to get the shards for any other characters I may decide to make, that place may as well no longer exist as far as I'm concerned.

Ardriel

I hate pvp too. Still, I got all my tanks and healers and even a lot of dps on all 4 accounts to alliance level 6 in Cyrodiil without any problems. Many times it was even really fun. Just give it a try. Believe me, even if you don't have a skill for pvp. If you are in a good group in Cyro and it goes well, you will enjoy it. All you need to do is to find groups. I leveled up the latest healer/tank with battlegrounds, which was also pretty easy. I took advantage of these bg weekends.

Aerin

PVP IS SO FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just cut the crap of needing to be TOP1 or TOP2 to complete my damn daily battleground. Get rid of this nonsense

LukosCreyden

This post feels cozy and nostalgic.
Reminds me of the old vigor grind.

MashmalloMan

What does this have to do with the PTS?

Aerin

MashmalloMan wrote: »

What does this have to do with the PTS?

PTS stands for Public Test Server.

Asking for changes requires testing them first on the PTS, doesn't it?
Anyway, today is done, and tomorrow will bring another round of the same old routine.

MashmalloMan

Aerin wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

What does this have to do with the PTS?

PTS stands for Public Test Server.

Asking for changes requires testing them first on the PTS, doesn't it?
Anyway, today is done, and tomorrow will bring another round of the same old routine.

No. The threads here are based upon changes ZOS made to the game within the update we're testing.

This is better suited for the General or PVP forum section. You're wasting your breath here.

Parrot1986

Aerin wrote: »

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As someone who does both and enjoys it, I get the argument but it goes both ways and id say pvp players need to engage with a hell of a lot more forced pve than pve players do pvp. Be it sets, mythics, levelling skill lines like FG, MG or Psijic and undaunted.

Just go repair walls and doors with an xp pot and you’ll have war horn in no time, especially if you do the intro quest.

Add to that the monthly free AP just for logging in, MYM just about to start this month and general benefit of just “leeching” around cyrodill going to keeps and resources as they flip makes it really easy. Trying BGs forces you way more to do pvp more than you need to and forces you to be successful. If you hate it I get why this annoys you but it’s the worst way to do it imo for you by the sounds of it.

Point being, you can get to rank 6 (188kAP) in a couple hours easily just repairing and leeching where you can, the flip side for a pvp player to do what they need in pve takes way longer for every character. Both are impacted and demanding one isn’t just doesn’t seem right.

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mercer_cap

Aerin wrote: »

ZDunlain wrote: »

Imagine as a PvP player what we do in order to get equipment and leads... THATS RIGHT DUDE! PVE! All builds needs more or less PvE.
If I want the Undaunted passives, I need to do A LOT of PvE that I dont really care but the differenc3e is that I understand how trhe game is and don't complain.
If you are annoyed, just join a zerg and eazy way to get that done.

You enjoy PVP? Well, good for you, [snip].
You need to progress in PVE but despise PVP? Demand some damn changes. You find it utterly senseless to grind through PvP for your PVE build? Speak up and demand change.

You revel in the current system? Fantastic! [snip]

I detest it. I fail to comprehend why it's remotely enjoyable to coerce players into PVP or thrust them into PVP zones against their will.

I adore PVE. Do I demand to slay the hardest bosses with a single stroke? No. Where's the challenge in that?
You love PVP and relish obliterating noobs in a single blow? Great! [snip]

You sir, did never play PvP if you are able to type this. PvP is all about the challenge and difficulty of playing against someone else with skill who is also unpredictable. Those in PvP zones who enjoy zerging are the same who enjoy killing overland mobs: the won't care about challenge.

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Aerin

mercer_cap wrote: »

You sir, did never play PvP if you are able to type this. PvP is all about the challenge and difficulty of playing against someone else with skill who is also unpredictable. Those in PvP zones who enjoy zerging are the same who enjoy killing overland mobs: the won't care about challenge.

I never play PvP in ESO because, frankly, this isn't PvP:

Aerin wrote: »

MashmalloMan

Aerin wrote: »

mercer_cap wrote: »

You sir, did never play PvP if you are able to type this. PvP is all about the challenge and difficulty of playing against someone else with skill who is also unpredictable. Those in PvP zones who enjoy zerging are the same who enjoy killing overland mobs: the won't care about challenge.

I never play PvP in ESO because, frankly, this isn't PvP:

Aerin wrote: »

So you played 1 match?.. I mean c'mon, you've never had a bad dungeon pug that took an hour to complete where you did 80% of the dps as a healer? Have some self awareness.

Aerin

zammo wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

mercer_cap wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

What does this have to do with the PTS?

[snip]

[snip]

[snip]

Perhaps my approach stems from growing weary of ESO's insistence on forcing players into false PVP scenarios just to cater to those who genuinely enjoy it.

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Aerin

MashmalloMan wrote: »

So you played 1 match?.. I mean c'mon, you've never had a bad dungeon pug that took an hour to complete where you did 80% of the dps as a healer? Have some self awareness.

I did 5 match, because my team has to hit TOP1 or TOP2 just to check off some daily task. It's absolute madness! Forcing players like me, who loathe PvP with every fiber of their being, to sweat it out in battlegrounds just to access skills for PvE is beyond ridiculous. It makes me sick to my stomach. I despise this game for making me endure such torment. Words can't even begin to describe how utterly infuriating this situation is. Do you honestly believe this is fun? Because let me tell you, it's anything but...

Turtle_Bot

Aerin wrote: »

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This is the complete opposite to what I've found over the years.

Majority of PvP players actually go out looking for a challenge, be that:
- fighting outnumbered
- fighting against stronger players
- or trying to make a weaker class perform against similar skilled players who are on stronger classes.
Many PvPers also often like to go around and protect the PvE players who just want to do the quests (the questers).

The last mid-year mayhem event, I roamed Bruma for quite a few hours most days I was playing, protecting those on my alliance at the time who were doing their daily quests there from those who would go and try to farm them and ruin their time in PvP, while anyone who was actually questing, I left alone.
Many PvPers make a mini event out of it as well, to "Protect the Towns" as it were.

The ones who go after the PvE players like you have mentioned, tend to be either:
- other PvE players
- or just very mediocre players in general who want to feel good about themselves by going after the "easy kills" i.e. the questers.
Especially if they are going after questers in towns that are opposite side of the map to where the action is happening.

Midyear Mayhem events tend to be the best time to farm the levels for those skills super quickly (good news, one is coming later this month).
By Popping the AP bonus scroll (obtained from a free talking quest located at your factions alliance base) and just following a large group around to leach AP from keep battles, you can level the skill line in probably not even 1 hour.

But if you simply cannot deal with any PvP at all, there's also the option of joining a map that is completely controlled by your own faction with minimal enemy populations, do the starting quest there, spend the AP from that buying repair kits and teleport around your factions home triangle keeps repairing walls where you can. It is insanely easy (basically free) AP no PvP required at all and most of the time you probably won't even see another player for the whole time you're in there, especially if you keep to the 3 home keeps that are closest to your starting base.

Battlegrounds are actually the worst way to level the skills if you are that PvP averse. This is because there is nothing else to do in Battlegrounds except the PvP mode of that battleground.

Something that will help a bit is to tank up. By running a high amount of health (approx 40k) and good (near cap) armor values, most players will leave you alone if you are far away from the action, especially if you use heals and don't initiate the fight, this is not a guarantee, but it does help.
Another option is to carry invisibility potions on you, and if you really want to, go vampire stage 4 for while you are in Cyrodiil, to also have the invisibility while sprinting passive. This will help to keep you out of sight for the most part and provide options to escape from players, especially if you don't go around initiating fights. You can always completely cleanse vampire for a tiny amount of gold once you are done so you don't have to worry about it permanently affecting your character if that is an issue for role play or fashion reasons.

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jlats

Aerin wrote: »

zammo wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

mercer_cap wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

What does this have to do with the PTS?

[snip]

[snip]

[snip]

Perhaps my approach stems from growing weary of ESO's insistence on forcing players into false PVP scenarios just to cater to those who genuinely enjoy it.

Imagine thinking ZOS cater to PVP players, big lol

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Turtle_Bot

Aerin wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

So you played 1 match?.. I mean c'mon, you've never had a bad dungeon pug that took an hour to complete where you did 80% of the dps as a healer? Have some self awareness.

I did 5 match, because my team has to hit TOP1 or TOP2 just to check off some daily task. It's absolute madness! Forcing players like me, who loathe PvP with every fiber of their being, to sweat it out in battlegrounds just to access skills for PvE is beyond ridiculous. It makes me sick to my stomach. I despise this game for making me endure such torment. Words can't even begin to describe how utterly infuriating this situation is. Do you honestly believe this is fun? Because let me tell you, it's anything but...

You don't have to do battlegrounds to level those skill lines and are certainly NOT being forced to do them to level those skill lines.

As I and others have mentioned, you can do quests in the cyrodiil towns, repair keep walls/doors, do the starting quest in cyrodiil (that levels you most of the way to those skills on its own without even leaving the starting base) to gain more than enough AP to get those skills, 99.9% of the time you also won't even see an enemy player, especially if you join a map where your faction controls the entire map and the enemy factions have no populations.

FirmamentOfStars

Hmm how many times did I grind the psychic skill line just for race against time...and I am definitely not an overland content enjoyer.
Same goes for undaunted, but at least I can play a fake tank for that.
Oh and lets not forget whenever i need a set piece from a DLC dungeon...

A little of PvP...like getting rank 10 in the skill line for sure is less work than grinding psychic.

Aerin

jlats wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

zammo wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

mercer_cap wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

What does this have to do with the PTS?

[snip]

[snip]

[snip]

Perhaps my approach stems from growing weary of ESO's insistence on forcing players into false PVP scenarios just to cater to those who genuinely enjoy it.

Imagine thinking ZOS cater to PVP players, big lol

No? So what's the logic behind forcing players who hate PVP into PVP zones to pick up skills used in PVE? If it's not to please those who play PVP, then it's just to annoy those who only want to play PVE.

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Turtle_Bot

Aerin wrote: »

jlats wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

zammo wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

mercer_cap wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

What does this have to do with the PTS?

[snip]

[snip]

[snip]

Perhaps my approach stems from growing weary of ESO's insistence on forcing players into false PVP scenarios just to cater to those who genuinely enjoy it.

Imagine thinking ZOS cater to PVP players, big lol

No? So what's the logic behind forcing players who hate PVP into PVP zones to pick up skills used in PVE? If it's not to please those who play PVP, then it's just to annoy those who only want to play PVE.

No, it is to encourage all players to at least try all content in the game at a very basic level.

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Aerin

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

No, it is to encourage all players to at least try all content in the game at a very basic level.

I understand that and I might even agree. If the idea is to encourage players to enjoy other aspects of the game and to introduce them to the various facets of PVP, forcing them to engage in PVP in order to finish at the top only achieves the complete opposite and only breeds more anger and dissatisfaction.

Turtle_Bot

Aerin wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

No, it is to encourage all players to at least try all content in the game at a very basic level.

I understand that and I might even agree. If the idea is to encourage players to enjoy other aspects of the game and to introduce them to the various facets of PVP, forcing them to engage in PVP in order to finish at the top only achieves the complete opposite and only breeds more anger and dissatisfaction.

and I will repeat, you are not forced to do battlegrounds to level those skill lines.

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

As I and others have mentioned, you can do quests in the cyrodiil towns, repair keep walls/doors, do the starting quest in cyrodiil (that levels you most of the way to those skills on its own without even leaving the starting base) to gain more than enough AP to get those skills, 99.9% of the time you also won't even see an enemy player, especially if you join a map where your faction controls the entire map and the enemy factions have no populations.

This will gain you more than enough AP to level those skill lines and if you go to campaigns where your faction owns the map, it is like a 99.9% chance that you won't even see an enemy player the whole time.

frogthroat

I also play mainly PVE. But like many have mentioned, PVP players need to do a lot of PVE to get the skills and sets they need in PVP. This is an MMO and that means a lot of grinding. Even as a PVE player, for example Psijic line is still painful to level. And RAT is often used in PVP.

So, we PVE players have to do some PVP to get the skills we want. It's not that bad. We need only about 145k AP to open Barrier/Caltrops. You get about 8k AP even from 3rd place in battlegrounds. Do the intro quest (about 8k AP), then even in worst case scenario maximum of 17 battlegrounds - assuming you get 3rd place every time. And you're done. Getting a first or second place makes it faster, especially if you get those daily rewards, but even in worst case scenario it's not that bad. I still dislike Psijic leveling more, even as a PVE player.

PVE players need to do a bit of PVP and then never enter Cyro or BG ever again if they so choose. PVP players need to do a lot of PVE and then enter overland/dungeons again when a new chapter/dungeon pack/trial is released with new sets and mythics. I think we have a better deal than PVP players.