Werewolf PVP is OP and UnFun

cw00dw0rdb14a_ESO · January 21

Returning player after a very long time and I have managed to get my partner into the game.
We have been having fun exploring the world and recently got our battleground quest the other day.
However, now we are not even 5 battleground matches in and getting repeatedly destroyed by a mob of werewolves.

We are queued in the under-50 battlegrounds and for new players, this is totally broken and unfun. There is seemingly no defense to it.
They just run around killing all the game and don't do the objective.

Doing a quick Google seems to indicate that has basically always been a problem and now I think I can see why it takes so long to find a battleground match. This is a huge turn off for the both of us and will definitely stop us from playing any more, at least battlegrounds for sure but also in general as the normal combat is so easy that the bg's had offered a nice bit of a challenge in between overly easy open world combat.

SandandStars · January 21

yeah, theres a bunch of op werewolves that STAY in under 50 to maintain their illusion of being good.

the only solace i can offer is that when u get to over 50 bgs they will disappear.

oh how those werewolves love to spam howl… repeatedly…. forever and ever,,.

sorry ww’s, i respect the role playing aspect of it. it’s just an extremely one-dimensional pvp option

Panderbander · January 22

cw00dw0rdb14a_ESO wrote: »

Returning player after a very long time and I have managed to get my partner into the game.
We have been having fun exploring the world and recently got our battleground quest the other day.
However, now we are not even 5 battleground matches in and getting repeatedly destroyed by a mob of werewolves.

We are queued in the under-50 battlegrounds and for new players, this is totally broken and unfun. There is seemingly no defense to it.
They just run around killing all the game and don't do the objective.

Doing a quick Google seems to indicate that has basically always been a problem and now I think I can see why it takes so long to find a battleground match. This is a huge turn off for the both of us and will definitely stop us from playing any more, at least battlegrounds for sure but also in general as the normal combat is so easy that the bg's had offered a nice bit of a challenge in between overly easy open world combat.

Werewolf scales with stats better than any other class, and under 50 there is an additional stat scaling applied. This is the only time werewolf shines; in max level PVP it is absolute garbage without the extra scaling.

Erickson9610 · January 22

Werewolf Transformation scales up the +% of Maximum Stamina you get while transformed based on your character level — from +41% at Level 3 to +30% at Level 50. This compounds with the stats that low level characters get anyway, so it's not hard to stack an insane amount of Maximum Stamina at low levels, which in turn impacts your damage done.

If I had to propose a solution to this, I'd suggest that the skill scaling be flipped — let the skill only give +30% at low levels, but also let it scale up to +45% (the theoretical maximum, if you could be Level 0) Maximum Stamina at Level 50 instead. It makes no sense that a skill gets weaker the higher you level up.

Flipping the scaling would make the issue less prominent in Under 50 PvP — remember that part of the issue is this skill compounding with the extra Maximum Stamina that low level characters naturally get — and this would actually help balance Werewolf in the state it's in with the rest of the game.

huskandhunger · January 22

cw00dw0rdb14a_ESO wrote: »

Returning player after a very long time and I have managed to get my partner into the game.
We have been having fun exploring the world and recently got our battleground quest the other day.
However, now we are not even 5 battleground matches in and getting repeatedly destroyed by a mob of werewolves.

We are queued in the under-50 battlegrounds and for new players, this is totally broken and unfun. There is seemingly no defense to it.
They just run around killing all the game and don't do the objective.

Doing a quick Google seems to indicate that has basically always been a problem and now I think I can see why it takes so long to find a battleground match. This is a huge turn off for the both of us and will definitely stop us from playing any more, at least battlegrounds for sure but also in general as the normal combat is so easy that the bg's had offered a nice bit of a challenge in between overly easy open world combat.

don't go to battlegrounds if you are not prepared to fight for your life or you don't like dying over and over, it's that simple, stick to overland quests and general PVE if you don't like how things go in PVP

RetPing · January 22

A good news, after 50 you will not seen WW anymore because thery are quite bad at PvP (and PvE).
A bad news, ESO PvP is full of broken things (set, class, skill, ....) so be prepared for that if you wish to continue doing PvP

tsaescishoeshiner · January 22

In other news, group BG queues lead you to much harder fights because they're dominated by more coordinated groups. If you both queue solo at the same time, you'll have much more doable fights.

Yes, that essentially means you can't queue as a duo for a casual fun match, which I find very disappointing as well.

CameraBeardThePirate · January 22

OP please don't worry.

Werewolves are trash tier once you hit 50.

The reason they're so good under 50 is the combination of how crazy strong crafted gear is under 50, and the fact that low level werewolves have pretty much everything they need when compared to low level classes. Tbh it's a little weird that some players feel validated by staying in under 50s to prey on new players but who am I to judge.

The solution to the problem would be to adjust the way crafted gear scales when you're under 50. Would fix all the people that smurf in under 50 BGs and Cyro just to get their kicks beating up on baby seals.

Panderbander · January 22

Tbf, pvp doesn't get much better at max level. Last I saw its 90% Master DW/Vat ice staff/maarselok/Dragon's Appetite.

Think 3 or 4 werewolves howling is bad? Just wait until you catch 4 vat destro staff tethers simultaneously every engagement.

moo_2021 · January 22

have you tried being arcanists?

4 arcanists are absolutely terrifying in below 50 BGs. Just immobilize and beam, immobilize and beam, repeat

MashmalloMan · January 22

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Werewolf Transformation scales up the +% of Maximum Stamina you get while transformed based on your character level — from +41% at Level 3 to +30% at Level 50. This compounds with the stats that low level characters get anyway, so it's not hard to stack an insane amount of Maximum Stamina at low levels, which in turn impacts your damage done.

If I had to propose a solution to this, I'd suggest that the skill scaling be flipped — let the skill only give +30% at low levels, but also let it scale up to +45% (the theoretical maximum, if you could be Level 0) Maximum Stamina at Level 50 instead. It makes no sense that a skill gets weaker the higher you level up.

Flipping the scaling would make the issue less prominent in Under 50 PvP — remember that part of the issue is this skill compounding with the extra Maximum Stamina that low level characters naturally get — and this would actually help balance Werewolf in the state it's in with the rest of the game.

You're just describing your complaints with the One Tamriel update. All bonuses scale like that from lv 1 - 50 in an effort to make the early levels of the game easier when you have less knowledge, skills, sets, food, and potions available so that you can compete with the same mobs at lv 1 as lv 50. It's not perfect, but it works.

Obviously players abuse this for whatever reason in below 50 BGs, but we can't do anything about bad apples and their need for dominance against new players.

It's the same reason people love to aim bot in shooters. Whats the point? If there is no challenge, why ruin 11 other players 15 minutes? I don't understand it, but it is what it is. They'll make new accounts day after day to aim bot in a game for no reward other than to feel more powerful than other people in online video game.

El_Borracho · January 22

Darn, I was hoping they made werewolf viable in PVP again. But yeah, this is under-50 Kill/Death Ratio clown stuff. Werewolves everywhere else get wrecked.

DrNukenstein · January 22

If you have ESO+ sell the free crowns you get and do random normal dungeons to accumulate transmute crystals. Research "impenetrable", "reinforced", and "sharpened" traits.

Then buy every piece of rallying cry, will power, trainee, and your damage set of choice to fill out your sticker book

Use the transmutes to make yourself a full build. Since you completed the sticker book for each set you can update the build every few levels for free to avoid fall off. The meta under 50 build is: 3 will power jewels, Trainee heavy chest, small pieces and back bar rallying cry, big pieces and front bar damage set of choice.

With this build you will be able to bully under 50s all day every day solo or duo, the build plays itself.

If you are level 15 at the time of this post, you can get this machine rolling by 30. Otherwise reroll so you can do this.

Don't gold your gear. If you leave it blue it's "smurfing"

IncultaWolf · January 23

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

OP please don't worry.

Werewolves are trash tier once you hit 50.

The reason they're so good under 50 is the combination of how crazy strong crafted gear is under 50, and the fact that low level werewolves have pretty much everything they need when compared to low level classes. Tbh it's a little weird that some players feel validated by staying in under 50s to prey on new players but who am I to judge.

The solution to the problem would be to adjust the way crafted gear scales when you're under 50. Would fix all the people that smurf in under 50 BGs and Cyro just to get their kicks beating up on baby seals.

Exactly this, werewolves in above 50 pvp are worse than necromancer currently, and that's saying a lot. There are maybe 5 dedicated players on PCNA who still play it in high mmr battlegrounds and do well.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 23

But, but... WW is a meme class. It is this bad. No one plays it in PvP or PvE just because of how bad it it is. It is not even close to be viable.

It sounds more like a low level scaling issue. I clearly remember players complaining about under level 50 Cyrodiil and how people are "smurfing" it.

So maybe they play as WW just for lols as I kinda suspect that a low level DK with all skill points unlocked would wreck even more havoc.

JanTanhide · January 23

Werewolves are terrible in PVP at CP level. You won't see many out there after they level past 50.

El_Borracho · January 24

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

But, but... WW is a meme class. It is this bad. No one plays it in PvP or PvE just because of how bad it it is. It is not even close to be viable.

It sounds more like a low level scaling issue. I clearly remember players complaining about under level 50 Cyrodiil and how people are "smurfing" it.

So maybe they play as WW just for lols as I kinda suspect that a low level DK with all skill points unlocked would wreck even more havoc.

Well, that and you can get Emperor in below 50 Cyrodiil, which is still bonkers to me