CreamedPieYum wrote: »PC NA daggerfall covenant
It seems no matter what I do, no matter what sets I have, how much health and armor I have or the damage I do, nothing is good enough. I always get destroyed out of the blue by a ganker who I have no way of seeing until they are right on me. I could kill 10 players no problem, a few thousand tel var, then all of a sudden I get hit with a poison that drains all my mag/stam and I'm completely helpless. I try to recoup quickly by killing a boss. Guess what? After I kill said boss, some idiot stuns me, and kills me with 3 hits in rapid succession all while using stat drain poisons and I cannot do anything.
There's no way to prevent it apart from casting magelight every time you pick a fight with an NPC enemy, which is not realistic. Do you just have to suck it up and hope you get a good farming period without getting picked on? I want to know the secrets of how people make 80k tel var an hour because despite trying my best I still get knocked down every time
Also, it doesn't help that I am working 5x as hard as everyone else and getting almost no profit. I am in DC, and every time I log on, its either all AD, all EP, or half and half. Why are they ganking me when they can earn 10k in 10 minutes by killing enemies or bosses?
CreamedPieYum wrote: »PC NA daggerfall covenant
It seems no matter what I do, no matter what sets I have, how much health and armor I have or the damage I do, nothing is good enough. I always get destroyed out of the blue by a ganker who I have no way of seeing until they are right on me. I could kill 10 players no problem, a few thousand tel var, then all of a sudden I get hit with a poison that drains all my mag/stam and I'm completely helpless. I try to recoup quickly by killing a boss. Guess what? After I kill said boss, some idiot stuns me, and kills me with 3 hits in rapid succession all while using stat drain poisons and I cannot do anything.
There's no way to prevent it apart from casting magelight every time you pick a fight with an NPC enemy, which is not realistic. Do you just have to suck it up and hope you get a good farming period without getting picked on? I want to know the secrets of how people make 80k tel var an hour because despite trying my best I still get knocked down every time
Also, it doesn't help that I am working 5x as hard as everyone else and getting almost no profit. I am in DC, and every time I log on, its either all AD, all EP, or half and half. Why are they ganking me when they can earn 10k in 10 minutes by killing enemies or bosses?
First of all, in your opening sentence you are right but you may not recognize the reason why. No matter how many players you kill, no matter what gear you run, no matter the dmg, no matter the health, no matter the mitigation, no matter the time of day or night ... no one is infallible. There is always a bigger fish, or a fisherman with a bigger net. Therefore, no matter what success you achieve in IC, someone is eventually going to take you down. Its going to happen and we're deceiving ourselves if we think otherwise because its only a matter of time.
So what to do about it? Think of IC gameplay as kind of like a dance. We dance, we shuffle, we boogie-woogie but then we sit down. And have a couple drinks and head out for the night... and um... well you get the idea. At some point, the dance is over and you need to stop dancing. Learn when to sit down. Using detection to try and force the issue doesn't fix the problem. And the problem is once your position is given away you are vulnerable. This requires more of a hunter/soldier mindset to understand. And I know full well from fighting DC in the past... once you knock over one or two people more will come. And it sounds like you're not factoring things of this nature into your strategy.
To that extent without this turning into something really preachy, might I suggest some literature for you to consider? Sun Tzu Art of War is always a good choice. There are short stories and audio books/videos about ninjas and the use of certain tactics that I think might be helpful for you as well. This is not me telling anyone off, however I know, now more than ever before that you cannot operate in IC without a plan and without a solid method and a strong understanding of what people are capable of. If I am always prepared to fight an enemy (who may or may not actually be there) then I will never be caught off guard.
You know, some people laugh at this stuff but with everything that goes on in IC, (and I've seen it all) people running in groups, running strong solo builds, macro junkies, straight up cheaters, all kinds of crap goes on in there. And numbers are important but street smarts is perhaps a little more important. IC is not the place to leave your fate in someone else's hands and if you don't have a plan and strong method then someone else will.
CreamedPieYum wrote: »PC NA daggerfall covenant
It seems no matter what I do, no matter what sets I have, how much health and armor I have or the damage I do, nothing is good enough. I always get destroyed out of the blue by a ganker who I have no way of seeing until they are right on me. I could kill 10 players no problem, a few thousand tel var, then all of a sudden I get hit with a poison that drains all my mag/stam and I'm completely helpless. I try to recoup quickly by killing a boss. Guess what? After I kill said boss, some idiot stuns me, and kills me with 3 hits in rapid succession all while using stat drain poisons and I cannot do anything.
There's no way to prevent it apart from casting magelight every time you pick a fight with an NPC enemy, which is not realistic. Do you just have to suck it up and hope you get a good farming period without getting picked on? I want to know the secrets of how people make 80k tel var an hour because despite trying my best I still get knocked down every time
Also, it doesn't help that I am working 5x as hard as everyone else and getting almost no profit. I am in DC, and every time I log on, its either all AD, all EP, or half and half. Why are they ganking me when they can earn 10k in 10 minutes by killing enemies or bosses?
First of all, in your opening sentence you are right but you may not recognize the reason why. No matter how many players you kill, no matter what gear you run, no matter the dmg, no matter the health, no matter the mitigation, no matter the time of day or night ... no one is infallible. There is always a bigger fish, or a fisherman with a bigger net. Therefore, no matter what success you achieve in IC, someone is eventually going to take you down. Its going to happen and we're deceiving ourselves if we think otherwise because its only a matter of time.
So what to do about it? Think of IC gameplay as kind of like a dance. We dance, we shuffle, we boogie-woogie but then we sit down. And have a couple drinks and head out for the night... and um... well you get the idea. At some point, the dance is over and you need to stop dancing. Learn when to sit down. Using detection to try and force the issue doesn't fix the problem. And the problem is once your position is given away you are vulnerable. This requires more of a hunter/soldier mindset to understand. And I know full well from fighting DC in the past... once you knock over one or two people more will come. And it sounds like you're not factoring things of this nature into your strategy.
To that extent without this turning into something really preachy, might I suggest some literature for you to consider? Sun Tzu Art of War is always a good choice. There are short stories and audio books/videos about ninjas and the use of certain tactics that I think might be helpful for you as well. This is not me telling anyone off, however I know, now more than ever before that you cannot operate in IC without a plan and without a solid method and a strong understanding of what people are capable of. If I am always prepared to fight an enemy (who may or may not actually be there) then I will never be caught off guard.
You know, some people laugh at this stuff but with everything that goes on in IC, (and I've seen it all) people running in groups, running strong solo builds, macro junkies, straight up cheaters, all kinds of crap goes on in there. And numbers are important but street smarts is perhaps a little more important. IC is not the place to leave your fate in someone else's hands and if you don't have a plan and strong method then someone else will.
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To that extent without this turning into something really preachy, might I suggest some literature for you to consider? Sun Tzu Art of War is always a good choice. There are short stories and audio books/videos about ninjas and the use of certain tactics that I think might be helpful for you as well. This is not me telling anyone off, however I know, now more than ever before that you cannot operate in IC without a plan and without a solid method and a strong understanding of what people are capable of. If I am always prepared to fight an enemy (who may or may not actually be there) then I will never be caught off guard.
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Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »In IC, you can only be:
A: A ball group.
B: A ganker(s) in group.
So pick your poison. IC is just badly designed cramped PvP area and tbh nothing else (aside from 2 things I mentioned) works. Solo play is not an option really. If you want to PvE in IC, then the only way is to find a group and be tanky. Gankers are less likely to attack if there is more players that may actually fight back. But even then you can still be ganked by 3x players at the same time, so you get one-shoted. I don't know if this is PvP that players want because it is more like a Pv... Yeah, there is no other Player. They can not respond cuz they died.
Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »In IC, you can only be:
A: A ball group.
B: A ganker(s) in group.
So pick your poison. IC is just badly designed cramped PvP area and tbh nothing else (aside from 2 things I mentioned) works. Solo play is not an option really. If you want to PvE in IC, then the only way is to find a group and be tanky. Gankers are less likely to attack if there is more players that may actually fight back. But even then you can still be ganked by 3x players at the same time, so you get one-shoted. I don't know if this is PvP that players want because it is more like a Pv... Yeah, there is no other Player. They can not respond cuz they died.
Patently false. I'm in there solo all the time. I get in, get out then hop back in. I rarely get ganked.
Necrotech_Master wrote: »if im farming tel var i try to stick to the sewers, i can usually make ~10-15k on a solo run to the middle and back (killing all the banner bosses and the molag bal event)
the sewers are usually a lot quieter
the surface is where the majority of the pvp happens
IC is one of my favorite zones, pretty much always has been lol, i even level new toons there lol (though generally i stick to the sewers still)
i only have AD toons, so could only help if you had an AD toon lol
So in response to my earlier posts, I think I'll just leave this here to help provide a little background as far as what I think about this topic today. Have got to be moving on to other things soon, but lemme just fill in some things real quick which hopefully can help somewhat tie together my earlier comments regarding a sort of poetic approach vs being overly concerned about specific numbers and sets, things of that nature.
About maybe 2 years ago I was in Imperial City one night. This was in the Arboretum and I was just messing around, milling about. So I noticed these two DC WWs (Pack Leaders) were farming players and PvE alike, they seemed to be enjoying themselves and was on a roll killing other players. Both were DC elites (I knew at least one of them in fact) and judging by the blue effects both were wearing Imperial Physique.
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CreamedPieYum wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »if im farming tel var i try to stick to the sewers, i can usually make ~10-15k on a solo run to the middle and back (killing all the banner bosses and the molag bal event)
the sewers are usually a lot quieter
the surface is where the majority of the pvp happens
IC is one of my favorite zones, pretty much always has been lol, i even level new toons there lol (though generally i stick to the sewers still)
i only have AD toons, so could only help if you had an AD toon lol
why go to the sewers? You get such a small amount of tel var and no bonuses from what I can tell. I'd rather just take my chances up top lol
Robes of the hist doesn't work in no proc no cp. Here is a list of what is working there https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/580810/no-proc-no-cp-set-list/p1CreamedPieYum wrote: »I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp
I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring
He play in no proc no cp campaignTwohothardware wrote: »Burning spellweave is a good damage set for MagDK that can work. PvP players will be running a lot of cheese builds on DK though like Masters dual wield weapons with a set like Dragon’s Appetite which is craftable.
Sidewaves89 wrote: »
Actually to address this specifically, there is / was a bug where your health bar gets desynced. If it looks like your health is still there, but your mag and stam are completely gone and you can't do anything, that may mean you are already dead on the server, but it's taking the client a few seconds to catch up.CreamedPieYum wrote: »then all of a sudden I get hit with a poison that drains all my mag/stam and I'm completely helpless.
Actually congrats. Should have read that first. Hope my first, long, post is still informative.CreamedPieYum wrote: »For the last 2 weeks or so i've been doing much better. I pumped up my health to 30k and wear robes of hist, I get stunned all the time but they can't whittle down my health fast enough between the high amount and immense heals from robes
BetweenMidgets wrote: »Sidewaves89 wrote: »
I was under the impression that the incoming unseen attacks indicator still would sound. I know I've lined up some heavy attacks at folks just to have them start dodgerolling when there are no other players around.