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How to counter imperial city gankers?

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It seems no matter what I do, no matter what sets I have, how much health and armor I have or the damage I do, nothing is good enough. I always get destroyed out of the blue by a ganker who I have no way of seeing until they are right on me. I could kill 10 players no problem, a few thousand tel var, then all of a sudden I get hit with a poison that drains all my mag/stam and I'm completely helpless. I try to recoup quickly by killing a boss. Guess what? After I kill said boss, some idiot stuns me, and kills me with 3 hits in rapid succession all while using stat drain poisons and I cannot do anything.

There's no way to prevent it apart from casting magelight every time you pick a fight with an NPC enemy, which is not realistic. Do you just have to suck it up and hope you get a good farming period without getting picked on? I want to know the secrets of how people make 80k tel var an hour because despite trying my best I still get knocked down every time

Also, it doesn't help that I am working 5x as hard as everyone else and getting almost no profit. I am in DC, and every time I log on, its either all AD, all EP, or half and half. Why are they ganking me when they can earn 10k in 10 minutes by killing enemies or bosses?

Edited by ZOS_Volpe on 20 September 2023 21:04
  • Jierdanit
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    They are ganking you because IC is a PvP zone and they want to actually do PvP.

    The best thing to counter ganks is probably the Esoteric Environment Greaves mythic.
    Reduces all incoming direct damage by 50% as long as you are above 50% stam, that is usually enough to completely counter most ganks.
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  • Twohothardware
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    What’s your Class and how many Champion points? How much health and armor?
  • Soarora
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    I really do just cast magelight whenever I’m out in the open and skip around districts so its unlikely they’ll find me again.
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  • Lozeenge
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    evil hunter / magelight / revealing flare is your best friend. there are also potions that can give you CC immunity or prevent targets from entering stealth.

    running around alone in IC with a bag of tel var on you is just not the greatest idea in the world honestly.
    PC-NA / 1500+ CP / PvE mostly / "Mama didn't raise no tank."
  • PieMaster1
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    Lozeenge wrote: »
    evil hunter / magelight / revealing flare is your best friend. there are also potions that can give you CC immunity or prevent targets from entering stealth.

    running around alone in IC with a bag of tel var on you is just not the greatest idea in the world honestly.

    That's what I was afraid of though. Do I really have to keep spamming that stuff? Because that seems like a whole lot of work

    I understand doing it for capturing flags and such to make sure ppl don't sneak up on you. But if you're preoccupied fighting a boss or mobs, its mentally exhausting to do a magelight/drink detect every few seconds

    Also, what do you mean running around with tel var isnt the best idea? How else are you supposed to accrue it? Even if I became the ganker and got 5k stones from someone..I'm still carrying a lot of tel var and I cant help it lol
    Edited by PieMaster1 on 16 September 2023 14:40
  • Twohothardware
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.
    Edited by Twohothardware on 16 September 2023 15:01
  • Munkfist
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    Playstyle will make the most difference. You can't go in with just a random pve build, or even somewhat pvp setup and expect to succeed.

    It's a pvp zone and should be treated as such. Need to gear for pvp fights before worrying about the pve side of things.

    Use potions, use poisons, keep your buffs up at all times and expect someone to pop out of the shadows at any point.
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  • Four_Fingers
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    I counter it by expecting I am going to get "ganked" once in a while no matter my build or how experienced I am at PvP.
    It is the nature of the beast, but that being said always at least try to fight back and eventually it evens out as you get better.
  • PieMaster1
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. I have all light armor for the buffs, so armor is also low. I know I die fast lol but at least I hit 10k per lava whip
    Edited by PieMaster1 on 16 September 2023 15:16
  • PieMaster1
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    I counter it by expecting I am going to get "ganked" once in a while no matter my build or how experienced I am at PvP.
    It is the nature of the beast, but that being said always at least try to fight back and eventually it evens out as you get better.

    The lag is also an issue and is starting to get on my last nerves. I was farming some enemies, everything froze in place for 2 seconds due to ganker's crappy ping, normal gameplay resumes and I die without even seeing him on my screen. Yay.

    Second time, I was once again farming, I survive the gank and broke free of stun. Started spamming coagulating blood, my dumb character just stood there and did nothing. Dead again due to lag.
    Edited by PieMaster1 on 16 September 2023 15:17
  • Jierdanit
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    22k health is WAY too low for PvP.
    If you want to reliably be able to survive ganks i would suggest at least 30k, more realisticly 40k hp.

    With 22k hp you will make yourself a target for every ganker around because you look super squishy, a higher hp pool is already going to make it a lot easier, because lots of gankers wont even try ganking you if you look tanky.
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  • PieMaster1
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    Jierdanit wrote: »
    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    22k health is WAY too low for PvP.
    If you want to reliably be able to survive ganks i would suggest at least 30k, more realisticly 40k hp.

    With 22k hp you will make yourself a target for every ganker around because you look super squishy, a higher hp pool is already going to make it a lot easier, because lots of gankers wont even try ganking you if you look tanky.

    But wouldn't I be sacrificing a LOT of damage to get all that health? My magicka pool would then be at..20k? Which is utter garbage lol Having tanky health is nice but I'd hit like a wet noodle
    Edited by PieMaster1 on 16 September 2023 15:23
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    Miat's addon.
  • Twohothardware
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    Ok here is your problem. Nightblades hit really hard in no cp because you don’t have any damage mitigating champion passives slotted. Your health is not high enough for PvP. On a DK you need no less than 30k and more is better. New Moon Acolyte is not a great set with the increase in cost of your abilities and you say you’re struggling running out of resources. You need to get the stage 3 Vampire passive Undeath active, it’s your only big source of damage mitigation in no cp. You also need Impenetrable on all your PvP armor.

    Make sure you’re running the Corrosive Armor ultimate.
  • PieMaster1
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    Ok here is your problem. Nightblades hit really hard in no cp because you don’t have any damage mitigating champion passives slotted. Your health is not high enough for PvP. On a DK you need no less than 30k and more is better. New Moon Acolyte is not a great set with the increase in cost of your abilities and you say you’re struggling running out of resources. You need to get the stage 3 Vampire passive Undeath active, it’s your only big source of damage mitigation in no cp. You also need Impenetrable on all your PvP armor.

    Make sure you’re running the Corrosive Armor ultimate.

    I didn't say I ran out of resources. The gankers usually have these attribute draining poisons that take your mag and stam to nearly zero. Sometimes I can counter it with a tri potion, but most times they do this when I'm still on cooldown lol

    As for the CP mitigations, I'm 250 CP and won't have access to any meaningful ones for quite a while. I do however have undeath. I'm actually stage 4 because of the invisible running. It's saved me quite often
  • Twohothardware
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    Jierdanit wrote: »
    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    22k health is WAY too low for PvP.
    If you want to reliably be able to survive ganks i would suggest at least 30k, more realisticly 40k hp.

    With 22k hp you will make yourself a target for every ganker around because you look super squishy, a higher hp pool is already going to make it a lot easier, because lots of gankers wont even try ganking you if you look tanky.

    But wouldn't I be sacrificing a LOT of damage to get all that health? My magicka pool would then be at..20k? Which is utter garbage lol Having tanky health is nice but I'd hit like a wet noodle

    No, your damage will come from you having weapon/spell damage glyphs on your jewelry and your one damage set. You want to put at least half of your attribute points into health instead of magicka in PvP. Get your health over 30k. Make sure you’re wearing at least 3 heavy pieces of armor and have the undaunted passives unlocked when you can.

    You’re getting targeted in IC when they see you with 22k health and that you’re a newer player with low cp.

  • PieMaster1
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    Jierdanit wrote: »
    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    22k health is WAY too low for PvP.
    If you want to reliably be able to survive ganks i would suggest at least 30k, more realisticly 40k hp.

    With 22k hp you will make yourself a target for every ganker around because you look super squishy, a higher hp pool is already going to make it a lot easier, because lots of gankers wont even try ganking you if you look tanky.

    But wouldn't I be sacrificing a LOT of damage to get all that health? My magicka pool would then be at..20k? Which is utter garbage lol Having tanky health is nice but I'd hit like a wet noodle

    No, your damage will come from you having weapon/spell damage glyphs on your jewelry and your one damage set. You want to put at least half of your attribute points into health instead of magicka in PvP. Get your health over 30k. Make sure you’re wearing at least 3 heavy pieces of armor and have the undaunted passives unlocked when you can.

    You’re getting targeted in IC when they see you with 22k health and that you’re a newer player with low cp.

    I have bloodthirsty on all 3 of mine, and potent nirn on my one staff

    I use new moon acolyte because it actually is a nice well-rounded set for 530 spell/wep damage, 1400 pen and some crit. Recently threw away my twice born star for robes of the hist, if someone disables/stuns me I get some very nice heals

    I'll go ahead and get my health to at least 30k, but now my main problem is going to be sustaining my meager 21k magicka lol
    Edited by PieMaster1 on 16 September 2023 15:46
  • Twohothardware
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    Ok here is your problem. Nightblades hit really hard in no cp because you don’t have any damage mitigating champion passives slotted. Your health is not high enough for PvP. On a DK you need no less than 30k and more is better. New Moon Acolyte is not a great set with the increase in cost of your abilities and you say you’re struggling running out of resources. You need to get the stage 3 Vampire passive Undeath active, it’s your only big source of damage mitigation in no cp. You also need Impenetrable on all your PvP armor.

    Make sure you’re running the Corrosive Armor ultimate.

    I didn't say I ran out of resources. The gankers usually have these attribute draining poisons that take your mag and stam to nearly zero. Sometimes I can counter it with a tri potion, but most times they do this when I'm still on cooldown lol

    As for the CP mitigations, I'm 250 CP and won't have access to any meaningful ones for quite a while. I do however have undeath. I'm actually stage 4 because of the invisible running. It's saved me quite often

    With stage 4 vampire and New Moon Acolyte together all your skills are costing 17% more which is noticeable in no cp because again you don’t have sustain champion passives active. That’s part of why when the Nightblade starts draining your resources you get into trouble.

  • PieMaster1
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    Ok here is your problem. Nightblades hit really hard in no cp because you don’t have any damage mitigating champion passives slotted. Your health is not high enough for PvP. On a DK you need no less than 30k and more is better. New Moon Acolyte is not a great set with the increase in cost of your abilities and you say you’re struggling running out of resources. You need to get the stage 3 Vampire passive Undeath active, it’s your only big source of damage mitigation in no cp. You also need Impenetrable on all your PvP armor.

    Make sure you’re running the Corrosive Armor ultimate.

    I didn't say I ran out of resources. The gankers usually have these attribute draining poisons that take your mag and stam to nearly zero. Sometimes I can counter it with a tri potion, but most times they do this when I'm still on cooldown lol

    As for the CP mitigations, I'm 250 CP and won't have access to any meaningful ones for quite a while. I do however have undeath. I'm actually stage 4 because of the invisible running. It's saved me quite often

    With stage 4 vampire and New Moon Acolyte together all your skills are costing 17% more which is noticeable in no cp because again you don’t have sustain champion passives active. That’s part of why when the Nightblade starts draining your resources you get into trouble.

    What set would you say is a good pve/pvp balance to go with my hist robes?
  • Lozeenge
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    Also, what do you mean running around with tel var isnt the best idea? How else are you supposed to accrue it? Even if I became the ganker and got 5k stones from someone..I'm still carrying a lot of tel var and I cant help it lol
    Lozeenge wrote: »
    running around alone
    i know no one likes to hear "bring friends lol" but sorry. IC ganks are significantly less risky if your target isn't accompanied by a group that will CC you to death as soon as you make your attack. it's not like cyrodiil or BG where you can just be cannon fodder used to take out high priority targets like healers or something.

    also i'm sure there are builds that more directly counter ganking. i'm just giving more direct advice than just "redo all your slots." not discrediting everyone else though, it is ultimately better for the long-term to put together an intricate build that mitigates this. i'm just throwing stuff at the wall here.
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  • LittlePinkDot
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    Lozeenge wrote: »
    evil hunter / magelight / revealing flare is your best friend. there are also potions that can give you CC immunity or prevent targets from entering stealth.

    running around alone in IC with a bag of tel var on you is just not the greatest idea in the world honestly.

    That's what I was afraid of though. Do I really have to keep spamming that stuff? Because that seems like a whole lot of work

    I understand doing it for capturing flags and such to make sure ppl don't sneak up on you. But if you're preoccupied fighting a boss or mobs, its mentally exhausting to do a magelight/drink detect every few seconds

    Also, what do you mean running around with tel var isnt the best idea? How else are you supposed to accrue it? Even if I became the ganker and got 5k stones from someone..I'm still carrying a lot of tel var and I cant help it lol

    You go back to your alliances bank in the sewers. If you deposit it, you can't lose it.

    I'm going to take my new PvE arcanist tank into IC.. I wish we were allowed to bring companions into IC. I could use some supplementary damage for the monsters. I invested a bit into damage on my tank, but not enough to be equivalent to a damage dealer.

    In Battlegrounds she can tank multiple people at the same time so I'm not worried about gankers.
    Edited by LittlePinkDot on 16 September 2023 16:52
  • Twohothardware
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    Ok here is your problem. Nightblades hit really hard in no cp because you don’t have any damage mitigating champion passives slotted. Your health is not high enough for PvP. On a DK you need no less than 30k and more is better. New Moon Acolyte is not a great set with the increase in cost of your abilities and you say you’re struggling running out of resources. You need to get the stage 3 Vampire passive Undeath active, it’s your only big source of damage mitigation in no cp. You also need Impenetrable on all your PvP armor.

    Make sure you’re running the Corrosive Armor ultimate.

    I didn't say I ran out of resources. The gankers usually have these attribute draining poisons that take your mag and stam to nearly zero. Sometimes I can counter it with a tri potion, but most times they do this when I'm still on cooldown lol

    As for the CP mitigations, I'm 250 CP and won't have access to any meaningful ones for quite a while. I do however have undeath. I'm actually stage 4 because of the invisible running. It's saved me quite often

    With stage 4 vampire and New Moon Acolyte together all your skills are costing 17% more which is noticeable in no cp because again you don’t have sustain champion passives active. That’s part of why when the Nightblade starts draining your resources you get into trouble.

    What set would you say is a good pve/pvp balance to go with my hist robes?

    Burning spellweave is a good damage set for MagDK that can work. PvP players will be running a lot of cheese builds on DK though like Masters dual wield weapons with a set like Dragon’s Appetite which is craftable.

    https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragon's+Appetite+Set

    Are you running Oakensoul? If you are I’m guessing you don’t have a monster set. Blood spawn is really good on DK and will help your sustain because you get resources for using your ultimate which you want to use corrosive armor every chance you get in a PvP encounter.

  • Jierdanit
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    Jierdanit wrote: »
    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    22k health is WAY too low for PvP.
    If you want to reliably be able to survive ganks i would suggest at least 30k, more realisticly 40k hp.

    With 22k hp you will make yourself a target for every ganker around because you look super squishy, a higher hp pool is already going to make it a lot easier, because lots of gankers wont even try ganking you if you look tanky.

    But wouldn't I be sacrificing a LOT of damage to get all that health? My magicka pool would then be at..20k? Which is utter garbage lol Having tanky health is nice but I'd hit like a wet noodle

    20k mag is pretty much the average for mag builds in PvP atm unless you are playing a magsorc with shields.

    Ofc you are going to have a lot less damage than an actual pve dps build, but you are still going to be able to kill a lot of IC bosses, it will just take longer.

    I have farmed sewer bosses and scamps quite a few times on my magblade that gets up to 38k hp. It might take like 3 minutes for a boss, but you cant just enter a PvP area in a PvE setup and expect it to work.
    Edited by Jierdanit on 16 September 2023 19:16
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  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. I have all light armor for the buffs, so armor is also low. I know I die fast lol but at least I hit 10k per lava whip

    22k health is so laughably low. 30k is the absolute bare minimum if you wanna live for any modest amount of time. Most gankers can do 35k+ in a global. If you want to survive against them, you need to build accordingly.
  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    Jierdanit wrote: »
    No, you don’t have to run around spamming magelight. You may need to play on a different class or change your build though if you want to have an easier time. Post details of what you’re running including your CP choices and your health, armor, and crit resist.

    I don't play on CP and I'm only 250 so there's no way I can compete with the 1000+ CPs on pvp

    I'm a damage dealer mainly. 22k health, MagDK, I run new moon acolyte and just got robes of the hist a few min ago. Oakensoul ring

    Crit resist probably isn't too good because I focus on damage. Armor is also low. I know I die fast lol

    22k health is WAY too low for PvP.
    If you want to reliably be able to survive ganks i would suggest at least 30k, more realisticly 40k hp.

    With 22k hp you will make yourself a target for every ganker around because you look super squishy, a higher hp pool is already going to make it a lot easier, because lots of gankers wont even try ganking you if you look tanky.

    But wouldn't I be sacrificing a LOT of damage to get all that health? My magicka pool would then be at..20k? Which is utter garbage lol Having tanky health is nice but I'd hit like a wet noodle

    You really don't lose enough damage for it to matter, and can make up for it with weapon and spell damage.

    Additionally, Health attribute points are worth more than Stamina/Magicka. Putting more attribute points into health is simply the most efficient way to build because of that.
  • LittlePinkDot
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    That guy is right.

    It's better to use weapon/Spell Damage to get damage rather than max resource.
    And because you're DK, DK has passive minor brutality, which means you need to stack specifically weapon damage and major brutality rather than spell damage.
    Doesn't matter that use you magicka as a resource because your damage will scale with whichever is higher.
    So if you're using a damage mundus it needs to be the Warrior, not the apprentice.

    Everybody is using proc sets in PvP now.
    If you can get Marselok that would hurt like hell I think.

    A good defensive set in PvP for DK I heard is Daedric Trickery, because it gives DK major buffs they don't normally have. And because the buffs last 21 seconds but occur every 9 seconds, you will have more than 1 active at a time.

    Your chest piece and legs should be reinforced trait Heavy Armour.

    Probably want a few impenetrable traits on gear.
    The DK stun skill Fossilize is a deadly weapon to nail down a ganker long enough to burst them down. Gankers are usually pretty squishy.

    And usually front bar is your offensive bar and backbar is defensive skills.
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    If I am carrying too many tel var, I find a quiet area and jump into a campaign in Cyrodiil to deposit the currency, then jump back to the imperial city to get some more.
  • jommerryrth
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    Revealing Flare
    Revealing Flare
    Launch a blinding flare, revealing stealthed and invisible enemies in the target area for 5 seconds. Exposed enemies cannot return to stealth or invisibility for 4 seconds. While slotted you gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 10%.
    Lingering Flare
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    Lingering Flare
    Launch a blinding flare, revealing stealthed and invisible enemies in the target area for 10 seconds. Exposed enemies cannot return to stealth or invisibility for 4 seconds. While slotted you gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 10%.
    Blinding Flare
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    Blinding Flare
    Launch a blinding flare, revealing stealthed and invisible enemies in the target area for 5 seconds. Exposed enemies are stunned for 4 seconds, and cannot return to stealth or invisibility for 4 seconds. While slotted you gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 10%.
  • Lags
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    personally i always run minimum 2600 crit resist, on a rally cry build that usually goes up to 3200 to 3400 depending on what traits you run. And always carry detects. I guess at this point its situation awareness. If I see a nightblade for even a second they are priority number one. A lot of them will pop out for just a split second, and thats enough to know they are there and kill them.

    The other thing is fast reflexes. Depending on the build it cant always save you, but if someone doesnt kill me before i can CC break they are probably dead. And the other thing is just being aware of what you're doing. If you're farming bosses you probably should hit a detect right as you kill the boss, or a second or two before. People wait til as you kill the boss so they can get you while you loot and get the stones you got from killing the boss.

    As far as sustain and cost poisons, i mean thats just how things are. If someone is sniping you LOS while you fight others. Or detect pot and go straight for them and kill them. Most snipers are pretty dense.

    But crit resist and survival is a big deal. This is why rallying cry is so good when you play solo or duo. But theres a lot of decent suggestions in this thread if you dont have the reaction time or awareness, or dont want to run a build like this.

    Some builds look cool, like sentry rallying cry, but i wont build around anti gank except for having a good amount of crit resist. Most gankers are just not very good.
    Edited by Lags on 17 September 2023 03:05
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