Daily Endeavor - Play a match ToT

Lugaldu

Great. I saw today that a daily task is "complete a round of ToT". Okay, so I went to the nearest tavern to play a round ToT. Afterwards I wondered why it didnt count - well, because only one round of ToT against other players counts. Another totally unnecessary restriction! Why is only one round of ToT against other players valid and not against NPCs, that doesn't make any sense at all?

NoticeMeArkay

Probably for the same reason as the "2 Duels" can't be done by killing two humanoid NPCs but needs to be done with 2 actual players instead. Endevours are supposed to be earned. There's not the slightest bit of work in turning all 4 patrons as quick as possible on the NPC, left alone playing against them casually considering that you can simply pick the less experienced one of the trio and make it an easy win. - I'm going to take a hard bet and say that's why.

AstroST

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Probably for the same reason as the "2 Duels" can't be done by killing two humanoid NPCs but needs to be done with 2 actual players instead..

you can't duel an npc
but you can play ToT agains an npc
your logic is flawed

Lugaldu

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Probably for the same reason as the "2 Duels" can't be done by killing two humanoid NPCs but needs to be done with 2 actual players instead. Endevours are supposed to be earned. There's not the slightest bit of work in turning all 4 patrons as quick as possible on the NPC, left alone playing against them casually considering that you can simply pick the less experienced one of the trio and make it an easy win. - I'm going to take a hard bet and say that's why.

That's a different topic, but these "2 duels" are not about earning something through "hard work" either. I usually do it with my friend, one stands there and lets the other defeat him, it's done in 2 minutes and has absolutely nothing to do with "hard work" or earning something, its just silly and we are only doing it because it needs to be done... And unfortunately - also in ToT - the days are over when you could quickly eliminate a beginner NPC with a patron victory. AI no longer acts as simply as it did 1 year ago.

zaria

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Probably for the same reason as the "2 Duels" can't be done by killing two humanoid NPCs but needs to be done with 2 actual players instead. Endevours are supposed to be earned. There's not the slightest bit of work in turning all 4 patrons as quick as possible on the NPC, left alone playing against them casually considering that you can simply pick the less experienced one of the trio and make it an easy win. - I'm going to take a hard bet and say that's why.

Yes but two duels is worded different from kill 8 humanoids.

festegios

I’m honestly baffled why people are so upset over this. Makes me feel like you EXPECT to just be given endeavours.

Is it really a big deal that 1 of the endeavours is related to TOT against a real person?

Especially when you can go pick plants, 10 skeletons, and 2 quests

Collect 5 Pure Water Springs or Alchemical Plants 15 Seals of Endeavor
1,500 Experience points
Complete 1 Tribute Match 15 Seals of Endeavor
1,500 Experience points
Complete 2 Quests 15 Seals of Endeavor
1,500 Experience points
Destroy 10 Skeletons 15 Seals of Endeavor
1,500 Experience points
Kill 1 Player in Cyrodiil 15 Seals of Endeavor
1,500 Experience points

I just don’t get the NEED to complain about everything’s

AstroST

festegios wrote: »

I’m honestly baffled why people are so upset over this. Makes me feel like you EXPECT to just be given endeavours.
Is it really a big deal that 1 of the endeavours is related to TOT against a real person?
I just don’t get the NEED to complain about everything’s

I think you totally missed the point of OP post.

Lugaldu

festegios wrote: »

Makes me feel like you EXPECT to just be given endeavours.
Is it really a big deal that 1 of the endeavours is related to TOT against a real person?

I don't expect at all to get seals of Endevor "for nothing". What bothers me is the restriction - why only one round against another player counts, but not against a NPC? The result is the same, you have played a round of ToT, and it shouldn't matter whether against another player or a NPC.

RMW

Thought it was a bug at first since it didn't say you had to play against another player
But looking at the decription yeah
Might be worth to add 'against another player' in the title

spartaxoxo

"Through the activity finder" is a better description than PvP matches because it's more specific. PvP matches can be done by challenging a specific individual player to a match (the same way you initiate a duel) or by letting the matchmaker find you a random opponent based off the criteria of the queue you enter.

Endeavor should be titled "Complete 1 game of Match-Made Tribute". Or something along those lines. The description should remain the same.

emilyhyoyeon

Can anyone confirm if you need to win the match or not? I'm assuming not, since duel endeavors don't have to be won to count. I did 3 of the others already so I can't test

KlauthWarthog

Uh, so that one is somehow even worse than I expected it would be. That is impressive.

Luke_Flamesword

Title is definitely misleading - I did other Endavours today but I was convinced that you can play with NPC...

Grizzbeorn

Were none of the other four offered Endeavor tasks more suitable for you than this one?
I didn't want to play a ToT match either, so I did three of the others. No headache.

Lugaldu

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Were none of the other four offered Endeavor tasks more suitable for you than this one?
I didn't want to play a ToT match either, so I did three of the others. No headache.

Sure, I ended up doing three other tasks, but the issue here is the same as in the other thread about the new types of Endeavors added with U39: the choice is limited/restricted by specific requirements - "do xyz with a guildmate", "do Scalecaller Peak" or in this case "play ToT", but not just ToT, but "against another player".

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Agree the title should specify ‘against another player.’ I should never have to consult the tooltip for something basic like that. If it had been something within a category that took more than three words to describe, maybe, but this is not that.

Toxic_Hemlock

Thanks for the heads up. Of the available endeavors I was contemplating doing the ToT, but instead choose the boring "kill 10 skeletons" as my final one.

In this case I chose wisely.

AstroST

Such a good timing for the introduction of new boring and annoying things in the game

People playing from steam
Last 30 Days 12,926.4 -1,376.4 -9.62%

virtus753

RMW wrote: »

Thought it was a bug at first since it didn't say you had to play against another player
But looking at the decription yeah
Might be worth to add 'against another player' in the title

Endeavor titles and tooltips are unfortunately often poorly constructed. Oftentimes either crucial information is missing from the title or the tooltip merely repeats the title, which is a total waste of time.

Like there’s “kill 4 people,” or however many it is these days, but you need to read the tooltip to understand they only count innocents as people. Because if you commit a crime or are hostile, obviously you don’t count as a person anymore.

And some are outright wrong: there’s “afflict X targets with poison” - by which they mean “proc poison X times,” even if that’s by sitting at one dummy the whole time.

The ToT endeavor should specify “against players” in the title if that’s what it requires. The tooltip should give more info on how to do that; it isn’t the appropriate place either to add further restrictions or simply to repeat the title.

jcaceresw

ToT is a total waste of time and can take hours. Now, the challenge do not specify if losing or forfeiting also completes it. If you are short of time to play the game doing the daily seals then you better do another challenge.

Jaimeh

I agree, OP--I wish games against the NPCs counted towards the endeavour.

ZOS_Icy

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic.

Thank you for your understanding.

SilverBride

There seems to be a push to get players into group activities. Some players just don't enjoy playing with or against other players and things like this aren't going to make them like it any better. The do 4 dungeons with a guildmate endeavor is another example of this.

Rather than pushing grouping it would be more beneficial to keep a mix of group and solo options so everyone can enjoy these activities.

Personofsecrets

How could anyone possibly not enjoy playing a good old game of TOT on the casual ladder?

SilverBride

Personofsecrets wrote: »

How could anyone possibly not enjoy playing a good old game of TOT on the casual ladder?

I don't enjoy it at all. Dealing with slow players and long combos that go on forever are not my idea of a fun time.

Calastir

Personofsecrets wrote: »

How could anyone possibly not enjoy playing a good old game of TOT on the casual ladder?

Let me try to explain:

I pay and reserve time to play an MMORPG like ESO, not a card game.

When someone reserves time and money to play an online card game, they don't expect to be pushed into an MMORPG either.

Lugaldu

It would be great to have a forum category "Endeavors" where we can discuss issues related to to the system. This thread was not about the card game itself.

Necrotech_Master

i would have liked this endeavor if it did not require playing another person lol

probably going to skip it likely if it is not changed to include NPCs too

fall0athboy

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Probably for the same reason as the "2 Duels" can't be done by killing two humanoid NPCs but needs to be done with 2 actual players instead. Endevours are supposed to be earned. There's not the slightest bit of work in turning all 4 patrons as quick as possible on the NPC, left alone playing against them casually considering that you can simply pick the less experienced one of the trio and make it an easy win. - I'm going to take a hard bet and say that's why.

Well, given that the Novice NPCs now actually consistently use patrons, that's not as easy as you may think.

SeaGtGruff

I was also a bit disappointed that the new ToT endeavor is restricted to PvP matches. I just ended up doing one of the other endeavors as my third. However, maybe in the future this will give me (and others) the nudge needed to play a PvP match.

Sheezabeast

Just put yourself on Offline mode and pretend it's an NPC. It's fine.