Support mains, how often do you kick fake dd?

boi_anachronism_

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

preevious wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

As sure as a fake tank should be kicked and reported, a DD who is obviously inadequate FOR THE CONTENT HE QUEUES FOR should be kicked. Because he expects to be carried.

He is not a cheater tough. He's just a prick.

That is to say, if you are complaining about a fake DD in nFG .. he is not the problem. You are.

Poll is about vet

Ooops, indeed, my bad, I didn't read that well.
Then, yes, any DD south of 10-15k should stay clear of Vet.
And those numbers go a bit higher for DLC content.

For a vet dlc i expect something like 20-25k. Thats 40k-50k on a 21m dummy roughly. The vast majority of folks who play more then a few months and actually want to participate in vet stuff can hit that. Oaken builds can hit it very very easily. I think thats a pretty reasonable ask. In my example the guy might have been hitting 5k...if that.

boi_anachronism_

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

Jierdanit wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

I am curious to know how much dps does a damage dealer have to achieve in order NOT to be a fake DD?

Also curious to know how are new players to obtain the sets required in order to get them the higher dps required for *** the content without doing... the content?

I ask this as I haven't been playing ESO for very long and never do random normal dungeons let alone veteran because all the toxicity around not being able to do the perfect run and not perfectly negotiating the mechanics, just puts new players like me off doing them at all, which is a shame. So I just duo dungeons with my other half and our companions to avoid all this.

I get there are guides to the mechanics, but you can read them all day and watch the videos, but sometimes it's still hard to appreciate a mechanic until you actually experience it yourself. So new players will never be perfect and if everyone just wants to do random dungeons with the perfect group, then that isn't conducive to enticing new players into the game or helping new players become better.

So what dps would a damage dealer have to achieve in order NOT to be a fake DD?

Also it would be helpful if ZOS could organize the dungeon tier system a little better because clearly most veteran basegame dungeons are NOT as difficult as most normal DLC dungeons, yet to the new player they are all just lumped together as normal and veteran and that is highly misleading.

Enough damage to hit the DPS checks and clear things comfortably, personally. That's around 20-25k in base game, and 30k-35k in vet dlc.

You can hit that damage by just having a basic rotation with no weaving necessary. You don't need to do vet content to get the gear either. There are overland and crafted sets that can get you there, alongside a very rudimentary rotation without advanced skills like weaving.

If you want to look into some overland or crafted sets to improve your gear, check out Mother's Sorrow, Order's Wrath, Julianos, Hunding's Rage, and others.

I have been running Mother's Sorrow / Julianos and Zaan for years on my DD and still get enough DPS to do basically all the dungeon content in the game, even if I am the highest DPS in the group.

People seriously overestimate how important gear is.
You don't need a meta build and hit 120k dps if you just want to do dungeons.

You can hit 90k on that set up and you can hit 120k in purple gear. Fact. I sat there and watched my buddy parse and do it. Skill>meta gear and you bearly need half that to be effective in dungeons.

pelle412

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

As a tank main I haven't encountered this in a normal dungeon but sometimes in a vet DLC dungeon after several wipes to a boss due to lack of DPS and/or lack of awareness of the fight (after explanations) I tend to just say we can't do this and leave.

Necrotech_Master

Not a support main or no opinion

i dont know if i would call them fake dps, but bad dps

and while i picked this poll option, i wouldnt say i have no opinion, i would say i dont care and would try to complete the dungeon anyway

i would only leave if we actually hit a roadblock and were unable to get past a boss after multiple attempts

edit: want to add that i have been in a group as the tank on vet darkshade 1 with a total group dps of 12.5k, and my tank was doing 75% of that, i still saw the dungeon through to completion

boi_anachronism_

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont know if i would call them fake dps, but bad dps

and while i picked this poll option, i wouldnt say i have no opinion, i would say i dont care and would try to complete the dungeon anyway

i would only leave if we actually hit a roadblock and were unable to get past a boss after multiple attempts

edit: want to add that i have been in a group as the tank on vet darkshade 1 with a total group dps of 12.5k, and my tank was doing 75% of that, i still saw the dungeon through to completion

Bless you. I spent an hr in vet moongrave with a dps that had only a base idea of mechanics (he was trying really hard though, you could tell) and a tank who had no idea what he was doing. Myself and the healer were quite experienced...honestly this has been my overwhelming experience where i had a rough group, healer was op and everyone else... well they needed help. We tried. I mean boy we really tried to help them clear. I took a short but hilarious clip of the rune boss before final with the behemoth werewolves. I typed "please dont swing the cone" in chat because that was our last wipe. No less then 15 seconds later he swings the cone and takes the entire group out in a single go. Honestly i couldnt help but laugh 😂

Necrotech_Master

Not a support main or no opinion

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont know if i would call them fake dps, but bad dps

and while i picked this poll option, i wouldnt say i have no opinion, i would say i dont care and would try to complete the dungeon anyway

i would only leave if we actually hit a roadblock and were unable to get past a boss after multiple attempts

edit: want to add that i have been in a group as the tank on vet darkshade 1 with a total group dps of 12.5k, and my tank was doing 75% of that, i still saw the dungeon through to completion

Bless you. I spent an hr in vet moongrave with a dps that had only a base idea of mechanics (he was trying really hard though, you could tell) and a tank who had no idea what he was doing. Myself and the healer were quite experienced...honestly this has been my overwhelming experience where i had a rough group, healer was op and everyone else... well they needed help. We tried. I mean boy we really tried to help them clear. I took a short but hilarious clip of the rune boss before final with the behemoth werewolves. I typed "please dont swing the cone" in chat because that was our last wipe. No less then 15 seconds later he swings the cone and takes the entire group out in a single go. Honestly i couldnt help but laugh 😂

behemoth WW in moongrave? new to me (jk im sure you probably meant moon hunter keep) lol

boi_anachronism_

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont know if i would call them fake dps, but bad dps

and while i picked this poll option, i wouldnt say i have no opinion, i would say i dont care and would try to complete the dungeon anyway

i would only leave if we actually hit a roadblock and were unable to get past a boss after multiple attempts

edit: want to add that i have been in a group as the tank on vet darkshade 1 with a total group dps of 12.5k, and my tank was doing 75% of that, i still saw the dungeon through to completion

Bless you. I spent an hr in vet moongrave with a dps that had only a base idea of mechanics (he was trying really hard though, you could tell) and a tank who had no idea what he was doing. Myself and the healer were quite experienced...honestly this has been my overwhelming experience where i had a rough group, healer was op and everyone else... well they needed help. We tried. I mean boy we really tried to help them clear. I took a short but hilarious clip of the rune boss before final with the behemoth werewolves. I typed "please dont swing the cone" in chat because that was our last wipe. No less then 15 seconds later he swings the cone and takes the entire group out in a single go. Honestly i couldnt help but laugh 😂

behemoth WW in moongrave? new to me (jk im sure you probably meant moon hunter keep) lol

Looool yerp ma Bad. Missed that