Werewolf Should be Allowed to Sneak

Icy_Waffles · December 2023

They really should, especially since some dungeon mechanics require it…

Give absolutely no bonus to sneak or sneak damage for sure, but a werewolf sneaking up is pretty terrifying and…. lore accurate so thats even covered too lol

Artim_X · December 2023

I agree wholeheartedly! If a werewolf is hunting they should be able to go into stealth and as the op has shown, the animations are already in the game.

Another cool thing that could be added is alternative kill animations for werewolf that replace the blade of woe/vamp feeding. More RP shenanigans are always nice.

Variety is the spice of life!.

Erickson9610 · December 2023

Artim_X wrote: »

Another cool thing that could be added is alternative kill animations for werewolf that replace the blade of woe/vamp feeding. More RP shenanigans are always nice.

I agree! I miss the werewolf killmove animations in TES V: Skyrim. It would be so cool to have some of those animations made for werewolves in ESO when they sneak up and pounce on unsuspecting people.

Erickson9610 · December 2023

@ZOS_PhilipDraven @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Is there any chance that Werewolf will be allowed to crouch/sneak, and would it be possible for werewolves to have "assassination" animations (like the Blade of Woe or Vampire feeding) made? It would mean a lot to us Werewolf players to be able to do these things.

The ability to sneak would allow Werewolf to complete Thieves Guild Heists without Invisibility potions, while the ability to assassinate would allow Werewolf to complete Dark Brotherhood Sacraments without accruing a bounty. Further, being allowed to crouch would allow Werewolf to complete March of Sacrifices from beginning to end without needing to drop form at all.

ZOS_Kevin · December 2023

Not sure if any conversations around this have happened recently, but we'll pass them teams to review in the new year.

Panderbander · December 2023

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Not sure if any conversations around this have happened recently, but we'll pass them teams to review in the new year.

I am all here for the team to talk about werewolf for once. Stealth would be a big win, but there's a whole lot more that can be improved while you're at it.

IncultaWolf · December 2023

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The new houseguest Hildegard mentions being able to successfully sneak as a werewolf, would be awesome if we could do dark brotherhood and thieves guild quests as a player werewolf.

I like the fact that the houseguest can transform randomly into a werewolf also, pretty cool feature!

Erickson9610 · December 2023

IncultaWolf wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The new houseguest Hildegard mentions being able to successfully sneak as a werewolf, would be awesome if we could do dark brotherhood and thieves guild quests as a player werewolf.

I like the fact that the houseguest can transform randomly into a werewolf also, pretty cool feature!

Erickson9610 · December 2023

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Not sure if any conversations around this have happened recently, but we'll pass them teams to review in the new year.

This news has had me over the moon when I first heard it. Many of us have been talking about what this could potentially mean for our favorite playstyle. Thank you!

KaironBlackbard · May 10

5 months later still viable

huskandhunger · May 10

I would like to sneak please 🥺

Foxtrot39 · May 11

The idea of giving WW a "sneak kill animation" like vamp or BoW has does sounds enticing

KaironBlackbard · May 11

ooo, that would be cool

Lance_Caugheyb14_ESO · May 13

I'll bump for giving werewolves more options, it would just be fun to allow a little more variety and interaction.

Vaqual · May 13

If the jabs guy does the animation:

huskandhunger · May 13

Vaqual wrote: »

If the jabs guy does the animation:

Lol yess 🤣

ViggyBoi · May 21

See the massive thing is its already in the game so why not let us use it?

sneakymitchell · May 25

For most part the whole werewolf has been different than other eso titles. Adding more things to it just make it more fun to play. Even if only use 1 bar. Be interesting to have more skills to swap around or sneaking around. Since scribing will just be adding skills. I’m sure the devs can add more scribing skills in future.

KaironBlackbard · May 25

I wonder what a werewolf would do with a second bar full of scribing skills...

IncultaWolf · May 25

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

I'd love to be able to sneak while playing my werewolf. I get locked out of certain mechanics and content because of not being able to crouch, such as the laser puzzle in Graven Deep.

autocookies · June 6

Would really appreciate this functionally even as a werewolf tank, it would allow werewolves to not have to DeWolf to turn on the Spaulder of Ruin.

Erickson9610 · September 17

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Not sure if any conversations around this have happened recently, but we'll pass them teams to review in the new year.

It's been about a year since I've created this thread. Have there been any developments since then? @ZOS_Kevin

Most of the Werewolf players I speak to would actually prefer the ability to crouch before receiving any Scribing skills for the Werewolf skill line. Even if a theoretical Werewolf Grimoire were to grant the user Invisibility, that still wouldn't be enough to enable the use of sets like Sentry and Darloc Brae, and it still wouldn't allow Werewolves to crouch under the lasers in Graven Deep. Crouching is a fundamental game mechanic that is disabled for Werewolves, and Invisibility isn't enough of a workaround.

Since we know the Q4 update this year won't have support for Werewolf sneaking, is this something we can hope for within the next few years?

Dojohoda · September 17

Big dawgs could sneak as long as it is upwind.

Erickson9610 · October 6

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Werewolf "sneaking" animations already exist in-game. Below is a screenshot of a player who is crouched. Due to a visual bug, they are shown on the client side as being in Werewolf form, when in actuality, they are in human form. This allows me to see the "unused" Werewolf stealth animations that would otherwise never be seen.

EDIT: Here is a video of some of the usually inaccessible Werewolf animations, courtesy of @IncultaWolf. This is only possible with the aforementioned visual bug; I am not actually in Werewolf form in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2xkQSbr6io
0:00 to 0:18: I toggle between crouching and uncrouching. To get an idea what the uninterrupted idle crouch animation looks like, see the next video.

0:18 to 0:38: I showcase the movement animations for crouching with weapons sheathed and toggle walk enabled. This is the prowling animation that werewolf NPCs use.

0:38 to end: I showcase various animations using emotes. In chronological order, they are /kneelpray, /begone, /crouch, and /playdead. Additionally, other emotes like /take, /smash, and /cower have been known to work, but those are not shown in this video.

Further, you can see this animation for yourself in-game if you use an Invisibility potion while in Werewolf form and sheathe your weapons. Here is a video of what that idle stealth animation looks like:
https://youtu.be/eYMqCqBr1zQ
Also notice the animations of the NPC werewolves in the background. They use different animations than the player does, but the fact that these animations already exist in the game means that allowing Werewolf to sneak wouldn't require new animations to be made.

Apparently, there are even animations for "swiftly sneaking". I couldn't record video footage, but here are two screenshots of a player showcasing the four-legged prowling animation with high movement speed:

For those curious, this is the animation that NPC werewolves sometimes use (like in Moon Hunter Keep) when they're running into position. Upon further analysis, I get the impression that this is the standard quadrupedal run cycle, but slowed down — normally, the player reverts to the bipedal walk/run cycle at these speeds, but not so when sneaking.

The fact that these animations would still work on players means that there's very little stopping the ability to sneak from being given to Werewolf.

JaxontheUnfortunate · October 6

Yeah I agree and have seen these animations being used as well.

huskandhunger · October 6

sneak please 🥺

JaxontheUnfortunate · October 6

Also considering in the latest pts notes there is a reference that they reviewed crouching mechanic that every class can crouch well unless your a werewolf I guess.

Silvains_Demon · October 7

I think this sounds like fun!

Erickson9610 · October 24

Erickson9610 wrote: »

The inability to sneak causes problems in certain content. The most infamous example is in the March of Sacrifices dungeon, where during the indrik hunt phases, you must "crouch down" in order to avoid being detected. Werewolves can receive a boon to become immune to the teleporting magic, but they must first complete the 2nd side indrik hunt in their human form to receive it.
Furthermore, the Graven Deep dungeon has a crouch mechanic for the 2nd side boss. In the corridor to reach it, there are laser traps, and some of them are designed to only let you through if your character is crouching, or otherwise ducking under them. This is an annoyance for werewolves, because they cannot get past these lasers without dropping form.
Werewolves cannot complete content which requires players to crouch, as they currently have no ability to crouch.

I have since taken screenshots which highlight these instances:

Erickson9610 wrote: »

In March of Sacrifices, the Tarcyr boss fight requires players to sneak. Werewolves currently can't sneak, but the 2nd side boss would give them immunity to Tarcyr's teleporting magic. The problem is that the 2nd side boss itself requires you to sneak! Unless you use Invisibility potions like I do in the upper right image, you aren't even given the ability to use the synergy to start the 2nd side boss:

Theoretically, you could complete March of Sacrifices in Werewolf form from start to end without dying if you run a potion cooldown build with Invisibility potions. But, the 2nd side boss for the Graven Deep dungeon has an even worse problem — you can't use Invisibility to get past the lasers just before the boss, because these check to see if your character is crouching under them, not if your character is Stealthed or Invisible: