Flames of Oblivion is OP

olsborg

the entire dk kit is OP, best ultimate, best selfhealing, best sustain and highest dmg pressure, the only thing they dont have is mobility and that is easily achieved through other means.

Urzigurumash

SandandStars wrote: »

Anyone out there who is a DK Main that thinks FOO is overpowered? 🤨

I mean, if you’re still a DK Main in pvp… maybe you don’t like losing… a lot…

Yes me, depending on what you mean by main, 5 star but I retired from the class right before it became OP - turns out I enjoy playing weak classes, they better accommodate my weak talents.

And probably I wrote as much as anybody about buffs the class could use - definitely I wrote about Savagery on Cauterize - but I also wrote much against the nerf to HP Regen - which I generally blame for the sudden OPness of Flame Damage. See my "DK needs a 13% Damage Nerf" poll.

Anyhow besides that issue I think @OBJnoob has the right mechanical fix - just remove the ability to spam it.

TechMaybeHic

I've always found it odd on how hard it hits in Cyrodiil based on its tooltip. Maybe it's just something to do with corrosive giving the penetration and bonus fire damage; but it still feels bigger than it should.

Either way, it must be at least doing something that when you look at it, it seems like a delayed damage ability yet people will spam it for an initial hit. Making it delayed only seems like a reasonable choice

FriedEggSandwich

I see this on my death recap a fair bit, but I'm stage 3 vamp, so I just assumed it was my fault.

Tigeracer

I wonder how many of the people complaining are vampires.
I've been hit by it a fair bit, but it's not the highest damage against me, since I'm not a vampire.

Urzigurumash

Tigeracer wrote: »

I wonder how many of the people complaining are vampires.
I've been hit by it a fair bit, but it's not the highest damage against me, since I'm not a vampire.

Yes everybody but why aren't you a Vampire? My poll I mentioned a few posts above gets into it, as do countless other threads about DK and Undeath, and remember:

If you want to take LESS Flame Damage: become a Vampire!

Tigeracer

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

I wonder how many of the people complaining are vampires.
I've been hit by it a fair bit, but it's not the highest damage against me, since I'm not a vampire.

Yes everybody but why aren't you a Vampire? My poll I mentioned a few posts above gets into it, as do countless other threads about DK and Undeath, and remember:

If you want to take LESS Flame Damage: become a Vampire!

I'm not a vampire because I hate the way it makes my character white. In case you can't tell by my name, I love tigers, so naturally my character basically looks like a tiger. I know it seems like a dumb reason, especially given the benefits of vampire stage 3, as well as the fact I play a nightblade (arguably requiring vampirism), but that's just how I am.

Urzigurumash

Tigeracer wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

I wonder how many of the people complaining are vampires.
I've been hit by it a fair bit, but it's not the highest damage against me, since I'm not a vampire.

Yes everybody but why aren't you a Vampire? My poll I mentioned a few posts above gets into it, as do countless other threads about DK and Undeath, and remember:

If you want to take LESS Flame Damage: become a Vampire!

I'm not a vampire because I hate the way it makes my character white. In case you can't tell by my name, I love tigers, so naturally my character basically looks like a tiger. I know it seems like a dumb reason, especially given the benefits of vampire stage 3, as well as the fact I play a nightblade (arguably requiring vampirism), but that's just how I am.

And it's a perfectly defensible reason. It's one of the strongest arguments in favor of adjusting Undeath in PvP: this is an rpg, not every toon is supposed to be a Vampire.

geonsocal

Flames of Oblivion

Cost: 2160 Magicka
Target: Area
Duration: 15 seconds
Radius: 15 meters
Effect
Activate an aura of flames which launches a fireball at 3 enemies every 5 seconds, dealing 1799 Flame Damage. While slotted, you gain Major Prophecy and Savagery, increasing your Spell and Weapon Critical rating by 2629.
New effect
Now launches three fireballs instead of one.

that sounds like a really niche skill to me...i have used flames of oblivion before, like in dungeons, or maybe cyrodiil during the weekend...

Edit: full disclosure, a few days ago maybe - foo showed up on my death recap...

maybe someone read this thread and thought it was good...

WoppaBoem

geonsocal wrote: »

Flames of Oblivion

Cost: 2160 Magicka
Target: Area
Duration: 15 seconds
Radius: 15 meters
Effect
Activate an aura of flames which launches a fireball at 3 enemies every 5 seconds, dealing 1799 Flame Damage. While slotted, you gain Major Prophecy and Savagery, increasing your Spell and Weapon Critical rating by 2629.
New effect
Now launches three fireballs instead of one.

that sounds like a really niche skill to me...i have used flames of oblivion before, like in dungeons, or maybe cyrodiil during the weekend...

Edit: full disclosure, a few days ago maybe - foo showed up on my death recap...

maybe someone read this thread and thought it was good...

Its not niche at all its the main skill to use to get stacks for your whip its hit three people without any aiming there auto pilot balls hitting targets even when they are behind you. They hit like a spammable and multiple people upfront as you use it, then when fighting every 5 seconds it does that by itself every good DK uses this skills and have been for the last year its a huge increase in dmg output and fit into the category AFK dmg, no aiming required even fires when the DK is roll dodging it also fires when the DK has someone fozziled they leap and hit with a procced whip this applies a lot of dmg in a very small window and helps to increase dk's burst even more all this while the dots are running in the background.

geonsocal

WoppaBoem wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Flames of Oblivion

Cost: 2160 Magicka
Target: Area
Duration: 15 seconds
Radius: 15 meters
Effect
Activate an aura of flames which launches a fireball at 3 enemies every 5 seconds, dealing 1799 Flame Damage. While slotted, you gain Major Prophecy and Savagery, increasing your Spell and Weapon Critical rating by 2629.
New effect
Now launches three fireballs instead of one.

that sounds like a really niche skill to me...i have used flames of oblivion before, like in dungeons, or maybe cyrodiil during the weekend...

Edit: full disclosure, a few days ago maybe - foo showed up on my death recap...

maybe someone read this thread and thought it was good...

Its not niche at all its the main skill to use to get stacks for your whip its hit three people without any aiming there auto pilot balls hitting targets even when they are behind you. They hit like a spammable and multiple people upfront as you use it, then when fighting every 5 seconds it does that by itself every good DK uses this skills and have been for the last year its a huge increase in dmg output and fit into the category AFK dmg, no aiming required even fires when the DK is roll dodging it also fires when the DK has someone fozziled they leap and hit with a procced whip this applies a lot of dmg in a very small window and helps to increase dk's burst even more all this while the dots are running in the background.

hmmmm, i run mostly oakensoul builds these days, so don't need major prophecy/savagery from a skill...i use engulfing flames to buff my whip...

Engulfing Flames

Cost: 3510 Magicka
Target: Cone
Duration: 20 seconds
Radius: 10 meters
Effect
Exhale a flaming blast to enemies in front of you, dealing 1799 Flame Damage and an additional 2980 Flame Damage over 20 seconds. Affected enemies take more damage from all Flame Damage attacks based on your Weapon and Spell Damage, with a maximum of 6% bonus damage taken. Current value 1%.
New effect
Affected enemies take more damage from all Flame Damage attacks.

burn baby burn 🔥

oh, and it looks waaaaay cooler too