RIP Necromancers

techprince

Update 38, All the feedback on the necro buffs was ignored and all they got was a damage buff on their spammable.

Update 39, Nightblades get one more named buff but necromancers have literally 0 named buffs. Also, the loss of 10% AOE damage from the lightning staff is huge.

Update 41, stalking blastbones are gone.

#balance.

Astin_nds

techprince wrote: »

All the feedback on the necro buffs was ignored and all they got was a damage buff on their spammable.

I don't understand why they ignore it.
Do they pay them or do they really hate us necros?

merpins

Afterip

Wrong pic. temp and sorc get buff and this classes not so weak as in your imagination, but necro really outsider.

Ofc you play sorc and temp and never played necro at all, but other guys who played them all agreed with me that necro really dead now...

merpins

Afterip wrote: »

Wrong pic. Temp and sorc get buff and this class not so weak as in your imagination, but necro really outsider.

Ofc you play sorc and temp and never played necro at all, but other guys who played them all agreed with me that necro really dead now...

Necro is only recently dead, but it still does good damage. Templar and Sorc have been dead for the better part of a year, and haven't received any buffs. At least, not the buffs they need to be playable.

Afterip

merpins wrote: »

Necro is only recently dead, but it still does good damage. Templar and Sorc have been dead for the better part of a year, and haven't received any buffs. At least, not the buffs they need to be playable.

I played temp alot and he has MUCH better dps skills, better passives, much beter healing slkills and greater execute. And for some reason it seems to me that sorc also has a good DPS from his class skills, but as a healer sorc sucks(its not his role)

WelI i came to the conclusion that you didn't play necro, that's why I will ignore your judgments on this matter.

LordDraw

Astin_nds wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

All the feedback on the necro buffs was ignored and all they got was a damage buff on their spammable.

I don't understand why they ignore it.
Do they pay them or do they really hate us necros?

The reason is very simple: new class in the upcoming chapter.
ZOS has to encourage us somehow to buy new chapter rather than staying only with the current content.

merpins wrote: »

Necro is only recently dead, but it still does good damage. Templar and Sorc have been dead for the better part of a year, and haven't received any buffs. At least, not the buffs they need to be playable.

If only necro healers could say the same...

techprince

Meanwhile, Arcanist received a gazillion of group buffs and shields.

ghost_bg_ESO

actually i'm happy with my necromancer for solo pve - it is at the bottom of "the food chain"- atleast don't have to be scared of nerf hammer
and even if it gets another nerf, it is at so tragic state that probably won't notice

Afterip

Next week pts patch will bring some combat changes and there is small chance than necro get some buffs

Nerhesi

Necro needs an overhaul. The Corpse-based mechanics are such a phoned-in brainless mechanic that is more of a nerf to the class. Really need to rethink what is their "thing"... rather than a bunch of random lacklustre abilities thrown in together.

Tessitura

Nerhesi wrote: »

Necro needs an overhaul. The Corpse-based mechanics are such a phoned-in brainless mechanic that is more of a nerf to the class. Really need to rethink what is their "thing"... rather than a bunch of random lacklustre abilities thrown in together.

Nah the corpse mechanic is great and it was a decent idea. We just need better spenders. Using corpses to raise summons or create actual areas of control would go a long way. The effects just need to be worth the pacing.

TechMaybeHic

I've been opting to run my Necro in group for AOE but it's so awful when you go alone.

Corpse mechanic is a clunky mini game that only serves to be par with what other classes get passively.

Self synergy was unique yet clunky but provided burst combos that are no longer there. You now are left with blast bones which is slow to cast and slow moving.

Spammable is ranged if you want a bad one or you have to go to a weapon line

No low cost ultimate of its own so pretty much stuck with dawn breaker, which I guess at least give you a DOT for your passive.

Even group AOE where Necro can get by, seems to highly revolve around Dark Convergence

ghost_bg_ESO

lol facebook snooping

Cast_El

Necro need buff yes but they still are good.

One of the best player I know is a necro, play without proc set and I win only one duel against him. He can survive against 10 bad player group or 4-6 veteran player group easily.

The burst of dawnbreaker+Skelton+execeutioner still do the job for him.

Jammy420

merpins wrote: »

Afterip wrote: »

Wrong pic. Temp and sorc get buff and this class not so weak as in your imagination, but necro really outsider.

Ofc you play sorc and temp and never played necro at all, but other guys who played them all agreed with me that necro really dead now...

Necro is only recently dead, but it still does good damage. Templar and Sorc have been dead for the better part of a year, and haven't received any buffs. At least, not the buffs they need to be playable.

Damage is one thing, but try playing a necro caster in pvp. Calling it hard mode is honestly not enough. Its like playing doom on the most difficult level.

I still do it right now because I am a glutton for punishment. But point stands.

Jammy420

Cast_El wrote: »

Necro need buff yes but they still are good.

One of the best player I know is a necro, play without proc set and I win only one duel against him. He can survive against 10 bad player group or 4-6 veteran player group easily.

The burst of dawnbreaker+Skelton+execeutioner still do the job for him.

66 percent of the skills you just described are not necro. The class isnt good if it has to use mostly world and weapon skills.

Ronin34

Scythe should scale based on the lower the enemies health is. This would synergize with necro crit passive to enemies at 25% health.

Afterip

Jammy420 wrote: »

Damage is one thing, but try playing a necro caster in pvp. Calling it hard mode is honestly not enough. Its like playing doom on the most difficult level.

I still do it right now because I am a glutton for punishment. But point stands.

Agreed with you. Stamcro is still playable in pvp because Dizzying Swing and Executioner give necro that what he really need: little bit of CC and execute.

And what can do Magcro? Only spam Crushing Shock and prays to Molag Bal that this will be enough to kill someone...

YandereGirlfriend

Ronin34 wrote: »

Scythe should scale based on the lower the enemies health is. This would synergize with necro crit passive to enemies at 25% health.

Yes, this.

It is such an obvious thematic synergy with the ability, the passive, and the class itself, it is a wonder that it is not already implemented.

It is such a blindingly obvious slam-dunk change.

Rampeal

Necromancer should have been a pet class. Nuff said.

bongtokin420insd16

You Necroed a chain about Necros. Its Necroinception!

boi_anachronism_

The reality is this. As a full damage dps necro is in the dumpster. As a support class/buff class however, it is run but all high end raid teams period. If you dont have a buff cro on your team you are doing it wrong. End of story. They also see a ton of use as an off tank in sax/pa with the colossus.

BalticBlues

When Necros were released, they were hot.
Now they are dead, having nerfed skills nobody uses anymore.
There even are new sets now bringing the buffs only Necros could bring.
Necros were systematically made useless.

Arcanists are the new hot toy ZOS wants you to buy.

LukosCreyden

I miss my necromancer.
My stam sorc feels smoother to play and is far more powerful in solo content, but it is ultimately not good enough. I want my necromancer.

Magicka Necromancer needs to be adjusted so that playing it doesn't feel like you are griefing / trolling yourself or your group.

techprince

After reading patch notes, RIP.

techprince

Update 39, Nightblades get one more named buff but necromancers have literally 0 named buffs.

OtarTheMad

Necro is in a pretty bad spot and has been for too long. I don’t know what to do with mine honestly. It’s my main so I’ll be doing new content on it and achievement hunting but until Q4 I will probably bench them for my Arcanist or my sorc.

It’s just not fun to play anymore. Can’t wait to finally get them to max alliance rank, GO, so I can retire them from that part. I don’t see ZOS improving necro any time soon as they’ve had plenty of opportunities over the years.

KlauthWarthog

techprince wrote: »

Update 39, Nightblades get one more named buff but necromancers have literally 0 named buffs.

Well, Necromancer is the only class in the game that can inflict the player with the Major Disappointment debuff, so there's that, I guess.

propertyOfUndefined

In my opinion, the class needed attention before they nerfed harmony. The buff to colossus is nice, but far from enough -- especially when you consider the fact that lightning staves will no longer buff its damage by 10 percent.

The "change" (not going to say nerf) to lightning staves actually hurts necro quite a bit in my mind, as the one thing the class has plenty of is AOE damage.

LukosCreyden

There are so many things wrong with Necro, but nothingnis being done with it. What update must we wait for to get some meaningful changes?
U40? 2024 Q1? Maybe 2024 Q4?? It is a frustrating thing; I WANT to play the game, but I want to play the game and actually do so with a class I actually like. Necromancer could and should be that class, but the complete lack of care and work holds it back.

I could write an exhaustive list of what is wrong with it here, but why bother? The feedback will not be read. It is a waste of time. Yes, I am very salty.