Ravenwatch PC EU

Sidewaves89

DTStormfox wrote: »

Some of them drop to 0 HP and don't die. They just continue to jump around like the Black Knight from Monty Python, shouting: "it's just a scratch". And instead of recovering, they turn around and beam everybody to death like it's nothing.

Arcanist has this visual bug, it shows he has 0 hp, but in reality it's more. It's a question for devs why this bug still exist almost year after release of class, not for dc players you mention.

Parrot1986

Best night of pvp since the event. Last couple weeks have been awful and forced into GH basically but balanced fighting like last night will hopefully help going forward.

Some daytime action to pushback DC a bit would be great but sadly can’t see it happening.

heng14rwb17_ESO

Ravenwatch PC EU is a dead server.
Go GH instead if u wan PVP !

Thraben

Summary of the last days:

Friday: The reds might have noticed that my hints how to handle the situation actually work: Fight DC down to 3 keeps by attacking/ trolling multiple keeps and most DC resistance IS broken. Immediately counterattack any group that wants to roll up your solo Player Zerg from the flanks, and avoid getting beamed.

Saturday: played on yell Side.
The emp group can be stalled by using field artillery. Just advance with a lot of fire ballistae and use silver shards, and they are down to Low HP quite often. Avoid chokepoints, don't chase them, outlast them stoically. Got disconnected when fighting for 10 minutes, but still. Things were basically over when we split our 6 Person group and attacked Ash and Glade at the same time. Both attacks failed of course, but we lost only 2 dead, and DC was no longer able to resist with the emp group isolated in Ales.

In short, there ARE some weird things going on, but it's nothing you cannot handle as EP or AD.

blktauna

Sidewaves89 wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Some of them drop to 0 HP and don't die. They just continue to jump around like the Black Knight from Monty Python, shouting: "it's just a scratch". And instead of recovering, they turn around and beam everybody to death like it's nothing.

Arcanist has this visual bug, it shows he has 0 hp, but in reality it's more. It's a question for devs why this bug still exist almost year after release of class, not for dc players you mention.

The ones I run into are Templars or DKs.

Tigor

strange campaign

blktauna

Just involved in a wild 60ish AD vs about 30 EP at Sej and was Lag spiked to death. There's some particular shenannigans going on there with sorcs being wholly untargetable

Then I got kicked and couldnt get back in again.

Tigor

This campaign is still strange. Pact has low dedication and motivation. Need more "get the job done" mentalily 24/7

Torzaman

Ther is a couple of players taking hostige of the campaign, sad but true. AD and EP player are leaving du to this way of playing, Raven recent started and already its almost ruind, just fight to make 2:de place, if this is the way ZoZ think the PvP should be playing, then i rest my case. The sorc build they are playing whith is a joke!! and it not going be any better after update. Well good luck. over and out.

DTStormfox

Torzaman wrote: »

Ther is a couple of players taking hostige of the campaign, sad but true. AD and EP player are leaving du to this way of playing, Raven recent started and already its almost ruind, just fight to make 2:de place, if this is the way ZoZ think the PvP should be playing, then i rest my case. The sorc build they are playing whith is a joke!! and it not going be any better after update. Well good luck. over and out.

Yeah, this is very unfortunate. All populations, including DC, dwindle because nobody wants to fight against or with them. Everybody seems to hate them because they seem overpowered compared to all the skilled players I know, this includes skilled players from all alliances by the way. I am not going to say they are cheating or exploiting but it wouldn't surprise me if they were in some way or another.

opethmaniac

It is a well-known pattern that certain players (especially from a certain nation) display toxic and difficult to tolerate gaming behavior. Agreements in the area chat are made in their native language without involving other English-speaking players.

I am far from making generalizations here or tarring all players of a certain nation with the same brush, and it is also difficult to determine whether someone is cheating or not.

In DC, the same player has had the title of emperor for more than 2 (3, 4?) campaigns, without being willing to give up the title and let another player have his turn. It is striking that he has already collected more than twice as much AP as the next player shortly after the start of the campaign. Possible? Cheating? I have no idea.

Toxic behavior also occurs in Imperial City (No CP), especially from players of this nation who organize themselves across factions in a notorious guild, make agreements and unfairly mark and hunt players in order to farm their Tel Var.

We are entering the realm of speculation again:
- Selling Emperor titles?
- Selling Tel Var stones?

This behavior is definitely conspicuous and damaging to the game, and I agree with everyone who is annoyed by this and loses the fun and motivation to play this campaign.

ZOS_Icy

Greetings,

We have removed some insulting back and forth that was disruptive. Please ensure you are treating others with respect on the forums even when they have views that differ from your own.

Thank you for your understanding.

Major_Toughness

8pm (Prime Time) on a Saturday.


Please ZoS. Just give me back normal no-CP.

imPDA

Please let yellow zerg chill a bit on weekends, them zerg too hard recently.

P.S. ZOS I don't ask to bring here old Cyrodiil, but equal Cyrodiil where all factions have roughly equivalent amount of players, because I can smell a HUGE population skew.

P.P.S. Not screenshotted 3 bar yellow this month, they are at 3 bar almost every day but a few days, but I think I should.

Major_Toughness

Right now. 18:30pm UK time on a Sunday.


AD are probably Emp sellers. Log on with a client, get Emp, get paid and leave.

Tigor

Here trives the war against everything that is predominantly on borders of what is possible in a digital world.

DTStormfox

There clearly is a DC group with a hidden advantage. I tried replicating the advantage by sourcing their builds. But I don't get the same amount of damage, sustain, nor tankiness. It appears they are using something outside ESO to get this advantage. Anyhow, this campaign is completely wrecked because of this group. Nobody wants to play in this campaign anymore because of them.

Truth is, not even DC players want to play with them anymore because they don't cooperate and spoil all fights.

Namacc

Good fights tonight. The last few days the campaign has been dead.

Major_Toughness

The Dev's have heard us, and coming to save us.

Glory to No-CP. The home of the brave.

Go away pariah/protective build (current Ravenwatch), and 4 defensive red CPs (Gray Host/Blackreach), we don't do tank meta here.

imPDA

DTStormfox wrote: »

Nobody wants to play in this campaign anymore because of them.

Well, yellow pop locks can prove you are wrong. 3-4 red ball groups running at the same time can prove you are wrong.

DTStormfox wrote: »

There clearly is a DC group with a hidden advantage. I tried replicating the advantage by sourcing their builds. But I don't get the same amount of damage, sustain, nor tankiness. It appears they are using something outside ESO to get this advantage.

This is too loud but empty words. noCP requires some skill, more than CP with procs (or BG with procs), can you copy skill and experience too? There are bad and good players after all, no one is the same. Not going to say you are a bad player, but there are absolutely no proofs in your message: no builds you tried nor tests. We are going to need more if we want to ban them if they are cheating as you say. The easiest way - you can duel somebody from this group in exactly the same build and look at cmx.

WaywardArgonian

"I use the same build and can't produce the same result" is too weak as 'proof' someone is cheating. I can put someone in my healing gear and they will do 3x less healing because they have low APM, do not do enough heavy/light attacks, use the wrong buff food and/or are bad at positioning. There is always the chance that someone is using some unknown exploit but until there is solid proof, I wouldn't just throw those accusations out there.

Anyway, I'm curious to see if the reintroduction of procs will breathe some life into this campaign. I personally liked the no-proc gameplay, but this campaign has grown very stale over the past year due to various reasons. A shake-up won't hurt at this point.

Major_Toughness

imPDA wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Nobody wants to play in this campaign anymore because of them.

Well, yellow pop locks can prove you are wrong. 3-4 red ball groups running at the same time can prove you are wrong.

DTStormfox wrote: »

There clearly is a DC group with a hidden advantage. I tried replicating the advantage by sourcing their builds. But I don't get the same amount of damage, sustain, nor tankiness. It appears they are using something outside ESO to get this advantage.

This is too loud but empty words. noCP requires some skill, more than CP with procs (or BG with procs), can you copy skill and experience too? There are bad and good players after all, no one is the same. Not going to say you are a bad player, but there are absolutely no proofs in your message: no builds you tried nor tests. We are going to need more if we want to ban them if they are cheating as you say. The easiest way - you can duel somebody from this group in exactly the same build and look at cmx.

No-proc requires less skill than with-proc.
How does removing variables that you have to deal with make the game more skillful?
Surely if you're that skilled you can survive against procs?

WaywardArgonian

Major_Toughness wrote: »

No-proc requires less skill than with-proc.
How does removing variables that you have to deal with make the game more skillful?
Surely if you're that skilled you can survive against procs?

One thing I will say is that it's a lot easier fighting outnumbered with procs. On a 1vX level, proc sets and mythics allow you to spec more into tankiness while still having the burst damage to get kills, and on a smallscale level, stuff like Vicious Death can help level the playing field against a numerically superior enemy. Wearing Snow Treaders in any group composition also allows you to completely ignore the snare mechanic.

I don't think one is necessarily more skill-based than the other, and the overall level of play of GH is without a doubt higher than on RW, but there are situations where proc sets can give you an advantage that is unattainable on no-proc. Smallscaling on both RW and GH, I found the latter a piece of cake by comparison.

imPDA

Major_Toughness wrote: »

How does removing variables that you have to deal with make the game more skillful?

Well, its easy
1) all players rely on procs but not on their own damage (tarnished goes CRASHHHHHHHH, zaan goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, all other kind of shitsets)
2) procs can give you very juicy buffs, in no-proc you literally can rely only on plain stats, plain wpd/spd, crit and so on
3) in proc you have more group buffs from group sets, so even more juicy buffs on top

So, to sum a bit, in no-proc noCP you can rely only on plain stats and from my game experience, people (in average) not really good at this. So average player going to have less damage and less survivability, but people don't like to die in videogames, so they go and rebuild to be more tanky. In order to kill them, other group of players must rebuild as well to have more damage, but become more squishy. If you are from the second group, you going to need good understanding of positioning, control of situation and so on to survive in squishy build in noCP no-proc. That is what I mean saying noCP requires more skill.

I can assume DTStormfox saw a build on Grozlok's stream and decided to make it and easily died. I saw this builds too, there are no defense sets at this build, so yet again, this builds squishy af, and you can't just copy it and go.

Major_Toughness wrote: »

Surely if you're that skilled you can survive against procs?

Playing BGs from time to time in noCP build, so far so good. But as I said, people rely on procsets: couple of NBs with proc dots + tarnished + zaan = you can do nothing about it and have to reposition in most cases. Without procs them can not even make a scratch on me pretty sure

(not a best nor a new BG result, but it's ok for demonstration purposes, same build as in Cyrodiil)

DTStormfox

I am sorry but @imPDA do you realize we are talking in the no-cp campaign section?
There is no reason to compare proc and cp with no-proc and no-cp here.

The thing is, when I see that some people are light-weaving so perfectly that it appears unnatural*, that should be enough reason to believe that something sketchy is going on. Additionally, when I copy their builds and play in a very similar fashion, I do expect a similar outcome, but instead, I see very different outcomes. To me, that seems suspicious at minimum.

Furthermore, some people suggest that copying their build is not enough evidence. What do you expect me to do? Post a video of the persons who seem to be cheating? Everybody knows that posting a video like that would violate terms of use.

*what do I mean by "unnatural weaving"?
Weaving every light attack and the cast of an ability perfectly on every global cooldown tick.

imPDA

There IS a reason to talk about procs in noCP now, because we are going to have procs in RW in ~6 weeks. Have you read the patchnotes? Be prepared to get tarnished hard soon

As I said, you can ask them to duel, it is a good point to start with investigation (compare damage received and done of the same abilities). And it is also good for learning a build.

P.S. I saw them dueling with some other players (probably another strong group, from IC), they were killing each other in this duels. Do you think all of them cheating, of them turning off cheats for dueling? Or they don't cheat at all?

imPDA

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

One thing I will say is that it's a lot easier fighting outnumbered with procs. On a 1vX level, proc sets and mythics allow you to spec more into tankiness while still having the burst damage to get kills, and on a smallscale level, stuff like Vicious Death can help level the playing field against a numerically superior enemy. Wearing Snow Treaders in any group composition also allows you to completely ignore the snare mechanic.

Ye, that is what I was talking about. From my experience, I need to sweat more in RW, so that is why I am going to say RW requires more skill to play, but it is only my experience after all.

WaywardArgonian

DTStormfox wrote: »

Furthermore, some people suggest that copying their build is not enough evidence. What do you expect me to do? Post a video of the persons who seem to be cheating? Everybody knows that posting a video like that would violate terms of use.

Well, yes, I do expect to see some sort of actual proof before calling someone a cheater. I've seen multiple videos made by people that were supposed to prove cheating and then those videos contained completely normal gameplay. So I am not going to just take people's word for it because when my group still played we would get accused of cheating in every encounter when I can assure you we were not.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but iirc the only thing that is against terms of service is naming and shaming, so if you crop/blur someone's userid and just show the gameplay, that should be fair game. If all else fails just post something to Youtube without posting it here and see if it gains traction and/or gets a discussion going.

Zabagad

I switched from Raven to Grey a year ago and it was clear to me that Raven was the campaign that required more skill.
The main reason for this was that in Raven there are only veterans left and you only get easier targets during events.
Grey, on the other hand, has the best players - but also almost all the beginners.
So overall the population in Grey was juicier and after I addapted to CP and proc sets my killcounter showed significantly better results....

Major_Toughness

In no-proc, two players of similar skill will never kill eachother because there is not enough damage, no matter what build you use.

Exception probably being magsorc versus something else because magsorcs just build 60k mag and nuke everything.

In Procs, fights are more likely to end because you can punish mistakes. Be it with a damage proc or by having higher offensive stats