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MyNameIsElias · May 12

Reading the latest PTS Week 5 patch notes raises some questions.

Right at the top, it states: "[...] we enter the last week of PTS," and later on, "As we close out PTS testing [...], please review the full list of patch notes below."
Does this mean the PTS will be taken offline next week and remain down until Update 46 launches on June 2? Or is it simply a matter of unclear wording, meaning there will be no further maintenance or incremental patches in the remaining Mondays before release?

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Thank you for your time!

ZOS_Kevin · May 12

Sorry, we meant the end of the PTS testing cycle. PTS will stay up and be accessible.

Heronisan · May 12

So... Subclassing will arrive completely unfinished and unbalanced, and if u pay for sub, u will be paying for a live beta test for probably several months.

Arc is the best template for base "class", because unlike base classes, they have a clear tank/heal/dps skill line, making it much easier to swap out skill lines, and they also have an amazing class mastery, making them perform the best, with the most OP spammable in the game, the arc beam.

Base classes needs to have their skill lines spearated into a proper tank/dd/heal skill line maning it easier to build around, class masteries needs to be properly balanced.

Its such an unfair advantage and its simply unproffesional leaving it like it is.

The fact that arc beam overperforms so insanely much only makes this an even bigger problem, you wouldnt get the feeling of getting left out in the dust if other spammables actually came close.

ADarklore · May 12

Heronisan wrote: »

So... Subclassing will arrive completely unfinished and unbalanced, and if u pay for sub, u will be paying for a live beta test for probably several months.

Arc is the best template for base "class", because unlike base classes, they have a clear tank/heal/dps skill line, making it much easier to swap out skill lines, and they also have an amazing class mastery, making them perform the best, with the most OP spammable in the game, the arc beam.

Base classes needs to have their skill lines spearated into a proper tank/dd/heal skill line maning it easier to build around, class masteries needs to be properly balanced.

Its such an unfair advantage and its simply unproffesional leaving it like it is.

The fact that arc beam overperforms so insanely much only makes this an even bigger problem, you wouldnt get the feeling of getting left out in the dust if other spammables actually came close.

So, to make a long story short, change the Arcanist class mastery to something less potent... problem fixed. And no, they aren't going to be turning base classes into DPS-Healer-Tank skill lines because it would require completely gutting and remaking the entire class... and I think players would be much more upset by that than anything subclassing does to the game.

Heronisan · May 12

ADarklore wrote: »

So, to make a long story short, change the Arcanist class mastery to something less potent... problem fixed. And no, they aren't going to be turning base classes into DPS-Healer-Tank skill lines because it would require completely gutting and remaking the entire class... and I think players would be much more upset by that than anything subclassing does to the game.

If they could do that, that would be one good fix. But problem is not fixed, it doesnt change the fact that having a dedicated tank/dd/heal skill line still is a massive advantage that needs to be sorted out.

I also tank on templar/dk and arca, its stupidly easier to find a combo that works on arca that doesnt complete ruin my playstyle like it would my templar tank which uses skills from all 3 skill lines.

Remaking of old classes is much needed at this point and something ive wanted for many years, and who says they will be gutted? Look how subclassing turned out, its disgustingly OP.

Pure classes are allready gutted in the name of subclassing

sans-culottes · May 13

ADarklore wrote: »

Heronisan wrote: »

So... Subclassing will arrive completely unfinished and unbalanced, and if u pay for sub, u will be paying for a live beta test for probably several months.

Arc is the best template for base "class", because unlike base classes, they have a clear tank/heal/dps skill line, making it much easier to swap out skill lines, and they also have an amazing class mastery, making them perform the best, with the most OP spammable in the game, the arc beam.

Base classes needs to have their skill lines spearated into a proper tank/dd/heal skill line maning it easier to build around, class masteries needs to be properly balanced.

Its such an unfair advantage and its simply unproffesional leaving it like it is.

The fact that arc beam overperforms so insanely much only makes this an even bigger problem, you wouldnt get the feeling of getting left out in the dust if other spammables actually came close.

So, to make a long story short, change the Arcanist class mastery to something less potent... problem fixed. And no, they aren't going to be turning base classes into DPS-Healer-Tank skill lines because it would require completely gutting and remaking the entire class... and I think players would be much more upset by that than anything subclassing does to the game.

Reducing this to “nerf Arc Mastery” misses the point entirely. The concern isn’t about a single overtuned ability. It’s about structural asymmetry: Arcanist was built around clear role divisions, with subclassing in mind. Older classes weren’t.

Saying ZOS “won’t” adjust legacy class kits because it would upset players doesn’t address whether they should. It also sidesteps the imbalance players like Heronisan are describing—namely, that some classes slot cleanly into the new system while others require cross-line scaffolding just to function.

You describe yourself as a solo PvE quester. If that’s the case, then it’s not clear why this particular imbalance would affect your experience. But your posts keep framing these questions normatively: what’s feasible, what players would tolerate, what counts as a solution. That’s not reporting. It’s editorial.

If the system favors one class structure over another, then the question isn’t how to hide it. It’s whether ZOS intends to address the gap at all.

Maitsukas · July 8

It is the natch pote season once again!

Morvan · July 8

Where are my natch potes?

Reginald_leBlem · July 8

Someone get Gina an iced coffee so she can concentrate and finish quickly!

Elvenheart · July 8

I can’t wait! I have to, but I can’t! 🤪

WuffyCerulei · July 8

RaptorRodeoGod · July 8

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

Someone get Gina an iced coffee so she can concentrate and finish quickly!

Kevin does the patch notes now, he's the one that needs an iced coffee!

Cooperharley · July 8

Necesito patch notes!

Although . . . I'm not too excited based on previous balance changes, but we shall see

Edit: to add, I'm sure beam is about to be sent into the shadow realm

Deimus · July 8

Ready to see how Necro gets nerfed this time around! The records would have you to think Vanus Galerion is the biggest hater of Necromancy...

MincMincMinc · July 8

merciless now stacks infinitely, we thought this really helped players who have trouble keeping track of stacks, because EVERY mechanic now has to build up stacks.

loosej · July 8

MincMincMinc wrote: »

merciless now stacks infinitely, we thought this really helped players who have trouble keeping track of stacks, because EVERY mechanic now has to build up stacks.

If it overflows at some point and lets them reach a negative amount of stacks I'm all for it.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · July 8

Need natch potes so I have something to complain about.

madmufffin · July 8

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Need natch potes so I have something to complain about.

Sounds like there's gonna be enough for everyone to complain about several times over

MrCray78 · July 8

+1 buff Arcaniste
+1 buff nightblade first week but nerfed after
+1 heavy dk and templar buff

MincMincMinc · July 8

I can only worry as I have dealt with stamsorc for 10 years only using the one skill line basically. Now with a majority running storm it is only a matter of time.

Reginald_leBlem · July 8

Getting nervous Kevin please 🙏

ApoAlaia · July 8

All I have heard is 'is not as bad as U35' which is to say 'is not as bad as smoking'.

Please just put me out of my misery and release the natch potes?

festegios · July 8

Can we give them back?

Reginald_leBlem · July 8

Thank you but no thank you, I would like new notes please

robpr · July 21

Are we ready to be disappointed again?

CheenTheCat · July 21

robpr wrote: »

Are we ready to be disappointed again?

What I wanna see in the upcoming natch potes:

- Ult gain being a thing again
- Balorgh restored
- Bound Armaments restored
- Shadow and Dark Magic skill line buff
- Beam nerf
- Banner staying dead
- Overload / Rakkhat interaction fixed

So in short: Yes, I am about 85% prepared to be disappointed!

LukosCreyden · July 21

This is the one, guys! This is the patch where they finally rework GLS into a skill I'd be proud to put on my bar!

robpr · July 21

CheenTheCat wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Are we ready to be disappointed again?

What I wanna see in the upcoming natch potes:

- Ult gain being a thing again
- Balorgh restored
- Bound Armaments restored
- Shadow and Dark Magic skill line buff
- Beam nerf
- Banner staying dead
- Overload / Rakkhat interaction fixed

So in short: Yes, I am about 85% prepared to be disappointed!

Other than Beam nerf and Voidmantle not working on Overload, all you listed is here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/680662/upcoming-u47-pts-changes-based-on-feedback

Bound Armaments having increased chance for Sundered wont fix it much though, especially when still max stam bonus is moved to Dark Magic passive.

H3rBie · July 21

Shouldn't it be 11.1.2 ? banner says .3 ;-)

CheenTheCat · July 21

[/quote]
Other than Beam nerf and Voidmantle not working on Overload, all you listed is here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/680662/upcoming-u47-pts-changes-based-on-feedback

Bound Armaments having increased chance for Sundered wont fix it much though, especially when still max stam bonus is moved to Dark Magic passive.[/quote]

That's why I said 85% :P Unfortunately, there was no mentioning of finally adressing my beloved Shadow skill line, where a lot of my supposed disappointment will stem from T-T