stamplar nerfed again why?

renne · September 2022

Yiko wrote: »

The final damage deals approximately 10% more damage than the initial hit at base and increases up to an additional 200% to reach similar values of power seen before.

The final damage now takes more overall damage to reach, to make the payout less reliably reached in PvP scenarios.

Live

PTS

Live damage cap: 25304
PTS damage cap: 6335*3= 19005
19005/25304= 75.11%

In what world does a 24.9% decrease to an ability's most integral feature "reach similar values of power seen before?" Not only that, but it's going to require more damage/effort to reach the damage cap ON TOP of that significant damage nerf?
On a class that just got nerfed in terms of Jabs' damage and functionality (including the snare)? Burning Light nerfed by around 33% damage while also essentially halving how frequently it can proc? Am I getting this all right, or am I mistaken? Because this doesn't make any sense to me. What kind of design decision is this? This absolutely needs to be re-evaluated. If you're going to make the damage cap harder to reach, then don't nerf the damage cap. As far as I'm concerned, this is just raising the skill floor for the ability while lowering the burst potential and making it harder to reach when it seems like the intention of the developers was to have it perform similarly to how it historically has on the high end with a little extra added difficulty/effort. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Put this feedback in the combat thread so it'll actually be seen by people at ZOS other than thread moderators.

K9002 · September 2022

The scaling on weapon/spell damage looks horrible now. So it turns out that only healers get out of it more or less unaffected while everyone else suffers.

TechMaybeHic · October 2022

Yiko wrote: »

The final damage deals approximately 10% more damage than the initial hit at base and increases up to an additional 200% to reach similar values of power seen before.

The final damage now takes more overall damage to reach, to make the payout less reliably reached in PvP scenarios.

Live

PTS

Live damage cap: 27945
PTS damage cap: 6996*3= 20988
Difference in damage cap: 6957
Percentage decrease in damage cap: 6957/27945= 24.9%

In what world does a 24.9% decrease to an ability's most integral feature "reach similar values of power seen before?" Not only that, but it's going to require more damage/effort to reach the damage cap ON TOP of that significant damage nerf?
On a class that just got nerfed in terms of Jabs' damage and functionality (including the snare)? Burning Light nerfed by around 33% damage while also essentially halving how frequently it can proc? Am I getting this all right, or am I mistaken? Because this doesn't make any sense to me. What kind of design decision is this? This absolutely needs to be re-evaluated. If you're going to make the damage cap harder to reach, then don't nerf the damage cap. As far as I'm concerned, this is just raising the skill floor for the ability while lowering the burst potential and making it harder to reach when it seems like the intention of the developers was to have it perform similarly to how it historically has on the high end with a little extra added difficulty/effort. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Futile attempt to get this looked at knowing it's too late. Just saw mine as well going from a 20k Max, to a 13k Max. Same gear on my NB goes up to 25k bow proc, and that doesn't even count the impossible feat to fill that at the amount of damage being copied on PTS.

DrSlaughtr · October 2022

Devil's advocate, wouldn't someone who plays a pure DD all in on our resource have advantages over someone splitting? I seem to remember this being the main argument against hybridization back then.

Turtle_Bot · October 2022

ninjagank wrote: »

Devil's advocate, wouldn't someone who plays a pure DD all in on our resource have advantages over someone splitting? I seem to remember this being the main argument against hybridization back then.

This argument has become less and less relevant due to zos shifting the damage formula away from focusing on max resources for better damage to using weapon/spell damage as the primary way to increase damage.

It's particularly noticeable in pvp where everyone runs around with barely 20k max resources, 35k max health, a crap ton of sustain and easily reaching 7-8k+ weapon/spell damage.

TechMaybeHic · October 2022

Dekrypted wrote: »

The best part about this is that Templars are going to somehow get another nerf after this patch while Nightblades and Wardens are deleting people in 1 global cooldown. Love this game.

Yeah, pretty much made archetypes again. Some better than others. Templars, as an example; will still be able to just do living dark which synergizes well with maras balm, and RD from the back of the zerg. Seems to be what they want.

Im running my stamplar this week as a bit of a last run. The way the meta has been, it's gotten tough as you need to burst someone down in a hurry or they heal to full. Once PL/POTL is obliterated like it appears to be on PTS; it changes from tough to futile.

BalticBlues · October 2022

Balance is going down the drain for 3 years now.
ZOS first ruined Sorcs - now they also have ruined Templars.

Templars now also are only a shadow of what they used to be.
And I am already bored having to play StamDK and StamWarden in PvP.

I give up on ESO PvP - RIP.
Even Overwatch 2 is more balanced and has more choices for me - unbelievable...

TechMaybeHic · October 2022

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Yiko wrote: »

The final damage deals approximately 10% more damage than the initial hit at base and increases up to an additional 200% to reach similar values of power seen before.

The final damage now takes more overall damage to reach, to make the payout less reliably reached in PvP scenarios.

Live

PTS

Live damage cap: 27945
PTS damage cap: 6996*3= 20988
Difference in damage cap: 6957
Percentage decrease in damage cap: 6957/27945= 24.9%

In what world does a 24.9% decrease to an ability's most integral feature "reach similar values of power seen before?" Not only that, but it's going to require more damage/effort to reach the damage cap ON TOP of that significant damage nerf?
On a class that just got nerfed in terms of Jabs' damage and functionality (including the snare)? Burning Light nerfed by around 33% damage while also essentially halving how frequently it can proc? Am I getting this all right, or am I mistaken? Because this doesn't make any sense to me. What kind of design decision is this? This absolutely needs to be re-evaluated. If you're going to make the damage cap harder to reach, then don't nerf the damage cap. As far as I'm concerned, this is just raising the skill floor for the ability while lowering the burst potential and making it harder to reach when it seems like the intention of the developers was to have it perform similarly to how it historically has on the high end with a little extra added difficulty/effort. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Futile attempt to get this looked at knowing it's too late. Just saw mine as well going from a 20k Max, to a 13k Max. Same gear on my NB goes up to 25k bow proc, and that doesn't even count the impossible feat to fill that at the amount of damage being copied on PTS.

I got this wrong. My total possible is similar. Reality with the percent being copied is much less.

Syiccal · October 2022

So the question is,, what you swapping it out for?

xthrshx · October 2022

It’s amazing how much they hate templars. So glad I quit this game. Every time I hear more news about it, it’s worse and worse.

Sergykid · October 2022

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Dekrypted wrote: »

The best part about this is that Templars are going to somehow get another nerf after this patch while Nightblades and Wardens are deleting people in 1 global cooldown. Love this game.

Templars, as an example; will still be able to just do living dark which synergizes well with maras balm

how does living dark synergize with maras? both proccing on "getting hit" ? this means both synergize with "getting hit" and not with each other. And not even, cuz maras proc from "getting debuffed"

TechMaybeHic · October 2022

Sergykid wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Dekrypted wrote: »

The best part about this is that Templars are going to somehow get another nerf after this patch while Nightblades and Wardens are deleting people in 1 global cooldown. Love this game.

Templars, as an example; will still be able to just do living dark which synergizes well with maras balm

how does living dark synergize with maras? both proccing on "getting hit" ? this means both synergize with "getting hit" and not with each other. And not even, cuz maras proc from "getting debuffed"

One's direct damage, the other is basically status effects being reapplied. Covers a lot of different damage being mitigated by a heal as mitigation

WoppaBoem · October 2022

It will still be good. Dk's got nerfed harder next patch and still work good. Warden are dead easy currently but dmg is not crazy. Nb's are way out there on dmg and defense. Templars still have best defence in game and when played right can hit hard. Stop looking at text and try it for real. Most times impact in theory is much bigger than it is while playing. This skill is not all templar does.

fizl101 · October 2022

WoppaBoem wrote: »

It will still be good. Dk's got nerfed harder next patch and still work good. Warden are dead easy currently but dmg is not crazy. Nb's are way out there on dmg and defense. Templars still have best defence in game and when played right can hit hard. Stop looking at text and try it for real. Most times impact in theory is much bigger than it is while playing. This skill is not all templar does.

True its not the only skill, but for the 3 of us that still play pve stamplar its yet another nerf to dps on top of the decimation of last patch