Rest in Peace Sorcerer, No Hope in U36 Combat Preview

Pelanora

Quethrosar wrote: »

well its wrong and don't accept wrong

As cleave is the name of a skill, it should only be used to talk about that still.

Otherwise we could be all 'i caltropsed my way thru that' when you're using magic, or something, and that'd be confusing as.

Turtle_Bot

Why must people who have clearly never done mid-level or higher pvp on magsorc for years if they ever did at all, always feel the need to tell everyone how overpowered the class is in pvp. And no, joining a low level bg and spamming mages wrath to go 15-8 against literal bots does not count as doing well in pvp, nor does riding in a group of 20+ chasing down solo players where your group can provide all the buffs/debuffs/healing/mitigation you could ever need/want.

Anyone who has played the class in pvp within the past year knows just how bad the class (mag in particular) has been for so long now, it has been hard carried by bugged/broken sets for so long, while receiving nerf upon nerf because of those sets every year. The class is so far behind in pvp now it has all but vanished in pvp.

It used to have kiting as its specialty, but with everyone getting a free 10% speed from celerity, up to 21% speed from swift traits, 20% speed from green CP tree (out of combat) and all classes having access to snare removal and major expedition through race against time, and targeted gap closers that have longer range than streak has, meaning every class moves around at the speed cap, sorc is nowhere near as fast and able to kite as good as it used to. This doesn't even take into account unique stuff like the wild hunt mythic or other classes (nb) also getting access to minor expedition which was supposed to be sorcs exclusive niche to give them the speed to outpace the other classes.

The power creep in this game has well and truly overtaken sorcs power level a long time ago and its only gotten worse as of late because of broken/bugged sets that made the class over perform and caused it to get constant nerfs instead of fixing the class so that it can be on an equal level to other classes without requiring such broken/bugged sets.

For pve, the class is in a good spot, but even this is only with 1 specific build (and wardens think they have it bad being pigeonholed into frost staves, imagine how sorc players feel being forced into pets + prey only for years now), with every other build unable to compete with that 1 build for damage in pve.

Minalan

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Why must people who have clearly never done mid-level or higher pvp on magsorc for years if they ever did at all, always feel the need to tell everyone how overpowered the class is in pvp. And no, joining a low level bg and spamming mages wrath to go 15-8 against literal bots does not count as doing well in pvp, nor does riding in a group of 20+ chasing down solo players where your group can provide all the buffs/debuffs/healing/mitigation you could ever need/want.

Anyone who has played the class in pvp within the past year knows just how bad the class (mag in particular) has been for so long now, it has been hard carried by bugged/broken sets for so long, while receiving nerf upon nerf because of those sets every year. The class is so far behind in pvp now it has all but vanished in pvp.

It used to have kiting as its specialty, but with everyone getting a free 10% speed from celerity, up to 21% speed from swift traits, 20% speed from green CP tree (out of combat) and all classes having access to snare removal and major expedition through race against time, and targeted gap closers that have longer range than streak has, meaning every class moves around at the speed cap, sorc is nowhere near as fast and able to kite as good as it used to. This doesn't even take into account unique stuff like the wild hunt mythic or other classes (nb) also getting access to minor expedition which was supposed to be sorcs exclusive niche to give them the speed to outpace the other classes.

The power creep in this game has well and truly overtaken sorcs power level a long time ago and its only gotten worse as of late because of broken/bugged sets that made the class over perform and caused it to get constant nerfs instead of fixing the class so that it can be on an equal level to other classes without requiring such broken/bugged sets.

For pve, the class is in a good spot, but even this is only with 1 specific build (and wardens think they have it bad being pigeonholed into frost staves, imagine how sorc players feel being forced into pets + prey only for years now), with every other build unable to compete with that 1 build for damage in pve.

This pretty much, the magsorc spec cannot win fights on its own. You bring some group utility to PVP with negate, but that’s not nearly as fun as actually winning a fight against a competent player.

The spec needs help. Yes more than Warden does, because they’re at least playable.