Why did the stealth class get so messed up

Kendric5

Stamina knight-blades have very little advantage from other classes in stealth and wood elves get screwed with their passives making it doubly painful. The one stealth advantage is a constant pain for me having to renew it every few seconds.

It seems that I take more damage that other classes and don't do that much damage than any other class.

Magicka knight-blades do have the magic to keep the invis (not my stamina build) up but is still a big pain to use.

rexagamemnon

Everything got messed up in this update

Rohamad_Ali

The never ending balancing issue of the mmo model happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w

IZZEFlameLash

Knight-blades? Are you playing the future version of the game?

Militan1404

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Knight-blades? Are you playing the future version of the game?

Its a new class coming next dlc, right after they have released the dragon-night

jtm1018

Nightblades might as well be knightblades because I am planning to use a sword and shield on my nightblade, fml, balancing indeed.

SPR_of_HA_community

Players do know what they take on start !
So it is much more fair balance be more like it was from the begining and not change for specific players each patch !

BlueRaven

Kendric5 wrote: »

Stamina knight-blades have very little advantage from other classes in stealth and wood elves get screwed with their passives making it doubly painful.

How the idea of unstealthy wood elves made it on to a white board, much less into the game, is beyond my understanding.

IZZEFlameLash

Militan1404 wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Knight-blades? Are you playing the future version of the game?

Its a new class coming next dlc, right after they have released the dragon-night

Sorcemplar when?

alanmatillab16_ESO

Necroden?

Xuhora

Warplar? anyone?

francesinhalover

use stealth potions last long, no mana consumed

Klingenlied

Stealth is incredibly powerful in PvP. To an extend, I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form. Not saying stealth can not work in PvP. I think its perfect for getting the first strike. But the problem in ESO is that it is possible to stay in stealth even when you manage to hit the player - so you can not force him out of stealth with damage or debuffs easily. That's the reason why the best Nightblades can be so survivable - movement, positioning, smart build & bar setup and stealth.

So that pretty much is the reason it "can't be even more powerful / useful / longer".

But let me tell you one secret. You can go full max stamina, use melee weapons and only have like 15k mag and still spam your stealth. Just throw in some light armor and go for magica regeneration. Helps a lot. Or try thinking outside the box. Breton stamina nightblade? Can be hella efficient actually right now!

martinhpb16_ESO

Klingenlied wrote: »

I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form.

Yeh let's have done with it once and for all.

Have everyone just using two sets like Oaken and Maras and only play Wardens and DKs. We are pretty much almost there already, just delete NBs altogether.

kurbbie_s

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

The never ending balancing issue of the mmo model happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w

lol. nightblades literally are buffed every update. There is no balance in eso. its all about the night blade in pvp.

kurbbie_s

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form.

Yeh let's have done with it once and for all.

Have everyone just using two sets like Oaken and Maras and only play Wardens and DKs. We are pretty much almost there already, just delete NBs altogether.

nightblades are insanely overtuned. Easiest class to play, an on hand projectile negate, cleanse, and you can choose when you want to fight and how you want to fight. Stealth sucks in this game.

Turtle_Bot

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form.

Yeh let's have done with it once and for all.

Have everyone just using two sets like Oaken and Maras and only play Wardens and DKs. We are pretty much almost there already, just delete NBs altogether.

NB are the strongest class in the game for pvp, up there with dk easily. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't know how to play the class, or doesn't do any pvp outside of casual level super low tier bgs.
If you really want to see a bad class, try playing magsorc in open world cp pvp and see just how bad it can actually be.

martinhpb16_ESO

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form.

Yeh let's have done with it once and for all.

Have everyone just using two sets like Oaken and Maras and only play Wardens and DKs. We are pretty much almost there already, just delete NBs altogether.

NB are the strongest class in the game for pvp, up there with dk easily. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't know how to play the class, or doesn't do any pvp outside of casual level super low tier bgs.
If you really want to see a bad class, try playing magsorc in open world cp pvp and see just how bad it can actually be.

I didn't say it was a bad class, I was quoting someone who said that stealth, as it is, should be removed from the game. Clearly the irony was missed.

psychotrip

Klingenlied wrote: »

Stealth is incredibly powerful in PvP. To an extend, I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form.

If the game cant balance itself around the basic class fantasy of it's setting then the game has failed.

Nightblades, as described in ES:

"Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat."

Nightblades are stealthy. If people are seriously considering sword and boarding with a nightblade, then ESO has lost sight of what these classes are even meant to be about. Why even call it a nightblade at that point?

katanagirl1

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

I'd even say there should not be any kind of class stealth in the game in it's current form.

Yeh let's have done with it once and for all.

Have everyone just using two sets like Oaken and Maras and only play Wardens and DKs. We are pretty much almost there already, just delete NBs altogether.

NB are the strongest class in the game for pvp, up there with dk easily. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't know how to play the class, or doesn't do any pvp outside of casual level super low tier bgs.
If you really want to see a bad class, try playing magsorc in open world cp pvp and see just how bad it can actually be.

Disagree. NBs in Cyro constantly spamming invis potions, hiding and you can’t hit them, DKs stand there in plain view, take your damage and then beat the crap out of you. How does that make NBs stronger?

StaticWave

Nah NB is fine. I logged on NB which I haven’t played in 4 YEARS and got a 1v5 within the first 15 minutes this patch. I didn’t run an optimized build either. I just threw whatever skills I liked on my bars lol. They buffed this class so much you literally have to try to actually die.

Also I find it weird that there are still people complaining about cloak being weak. The current cloak is much more reliable than old cloak. You just need to stop crutching on it and build some tankiness in case they run detect pots/flares.

https://youtu.be/3ZCuRe6oLHU

Stncold

BlueRaven wrote: »

How the idea of unstealthy wood elves made it on to a white board, much less into the game, is beyond my understanding.

Same reason orcs are the speedy race of the Covenant even though they were the slowest race in Morrowind and Oblivion instead of the race that has been repeatedly described as athletic throughout the series. ZOS doesn't care when it comes to racial consistency.

psychotrip

Stncold wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

How the idea of unstealthy wood elves made it on to a white board, much less into the game, is beyond my understanding.

Same reason orcs are the speedy race of the Covenant even though they were the slowest race in Morrowind and Oblivion instead of the race that has been repeatedly described as athletic throughout the series. ZOS doesn't care when it comes to racial consistency.

Maybe I'm just a nerd, but the moment the game stops caring about the identity of its world is the moment I stop caring about the game.

Psiion

Greetings,

After review, we have gone ahead and moved this thread to the Combat and Character Mechanics section as it is better fit there.