Clear Rules on Tea Bagging

Elo106

@ZOS_Kevin
What are the rules regarding tea bagging?

I think the last update about it was:
"Teabagging or spamming emotes is fine, though if someone asks you to please stop, you should stop."

Also does the Teabaggee have to report this or can anyone report it?
If me and my friends are fine with teabagging each other can someone else take a screenshot of it and report us?

Jaimeh

I've never tea-bagged anyone (although I had to restrain myself not to t-bag Voriak Solkyn after clearing vMA for the first time) but I've been on the receiving end plenty by enemies in Cyro or jokingly by guildmates, and I just ignore it. I don't think it's a report-able offense, unless someone can demonstrate that they specifically asked the t-bagger to stop and they kept doing it-- in that case according to what Gina has said, there's grounds for making a report. But within the context you described, it should be fine.

Reverb

There’s no clear answer because it lives in a grey area of intent and impact. It can be a gesture of good humor between friends and guildies, it can be a sign of respect from an enemy, or it can be done as an act of disrespect.

Regardless of why its done, the person being bagged might think its funny, or ignore it, or be offended/bothered by it. Zeni’s official stance is that if you are notified that it bothers someone and you keep doing it, it qualifies as harassment and you can be penalized for it, which may include being banned.

You raise a good question about 3rd party reporting. Let’s say I died doing something dumb and a friend bags me for it. An uninvolved bystander is offended and reports it, can my friend get in trouble? Possibly, since zeni’s response to things is wildly inconsistent, but probably not. To quality as harassment or griefing, my friend would have to know that the person both found it offensive and was watching.

Udrath

Best time to tea bag is when you help zerg down one solo guy and you are in the back of the zerg and did 0 damage. It’s a sign of dominance and really sets the pace of the entire campaign. When you stand up from the tea bag make sure to spam mutagen

CharlieFreak

I have seen with my own eyes a certain streamer report players repeatedly for tea bagging. It's quite clear by his talking during the fights that he was not in the slightest way offended by the sexual reference, but rather that he was a poor sport whose ego was damaged by losing a fight, and that the added gloating of a tea bagging sent him over the edge. Filing a report was a way for him 'get back' at that person by abusing the report feature.

I'd guess that most reports about tea bagging are the same.

MetallicMonk

Ironically all this rule does is allow some of the most insecure and hateful people I've encountered in PvP have a way to weaponize the report system in a way to try to take something away from players who have made them feel inferior in a video game.

People who report for teabagging are the majority of the time, people who zerg and teabag you and also people who send hate whispers.

Casul

I'm more of a "point down" man myself.

geonsocal

was playing yesterday and got in to a fight outside of ash, we owned the keep...we won the fight, there was this one player on the ground dead that other folks must have recognized - they bagged them for the whole time it took for them to automatically respawn at the starter gate...

i don't know who the player on the ground was, or the few folks who spent 10 plus minutes pounding on R3 (PS4) relentlessly for the whole time...

it was kind of an odd thing to watch though...

i love taunting, but - i stick with the emotes we can slot...

at one point folks actually switched to their camel mount, just so they could spit that glob of goo on the body...

Holycannoli

Better to turn on the Jester personality and walk away IMO.

Oakenaxe

"Teabagging or spamming emotes is fine, though if someone asks you to please stop, you should stop."

Sounds fair. I don't do it because I think it is childish, but I also don't get why people get mad about it.

Wolfpaw

Elo106 wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin
What are the rules regarding tea bagging?

I think the last update about it was:
"Teabagging or spamming emotes is fine, though if someone asks you to please stop, you should stop."

Also does the Teabaggee have to report this or can anyone report it?
If me and my friends are fine with teabagging each other can someone else take a screenshot of it and report us?

You already said the rule?

I know some players that will do a single air teabag not over the body but to the side, usually saved for friends, etc...as a hello, respect ya.

DrNukenstein

Some loser once whined at me because I bagged them after I turned around their gank on them. They said they'd report me for it if I ever did it again, and assured me it had nothing to do with sex stuff. That message laid the groundwork for a future ban. I now have to be mindful that I never bag that exact dork again which is extra difficult because I don't remember their name, not a single crouch was personal.

T-bagging is part of PVP in every game that has crouching. This person has impaired my ability to enjoy this game way more than I impaired theirs. If we can't get new pvp content, can @zenimaxonlinestudios at least label t-bagging as gloating and unbannable?

geonsocal

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Some loser once whined at me because I bagged them after I turned around their gank on them. They said they'd report me for it if I ever did it again, and assured me it had nothing to do with sex stuff. That message laid the groundwork for a future ban. I now have to be mindful that I never bag that exact dork again which is extra difficult because I don't remember their name, not a single crouch was personal.

T-bagging is part of PVP in every game that has crouching. This person has impaired my ability to enjoy this game way more than I impaired theirs. If we can't get new pvp content, can @zenimaxonlinestudios at least label t-bagging as gloating and unbannable?

just wondering, is there a reason why you don't use emotes to taunt?

does t-bagging have some kind of special meaning?

DrNukenstein

geonsocal wrote: »

just wondering, is there a reason why you don't use emotes to taunt?

does t-bagging have some kind of special meaning?

It's easier to do than open the emote wheel and pick an emote, or even set up an emote wheel. Also easier to get away from the bagged's team mates

geonsocal

fair enough @DrNukenstein

if i kill someone, heck if i see you dead on the ground, hanging around - good chance you'll get a show - i love stringing together emotes to make a bit of continuous scene...

ESO_Nightingale

Tbagging shouldn't be a punishable offense.

Wolfpaw

geonsocal wrote: »

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Some loser once whined at me because I bagged them after I turned around their gank on them. They said they'd report me for it if I ever did it again, and assured me it had nothing to do with sex stuff. That message laid the groundwork for a future ban. I now have to be mindful that I never bag that exact dork again which is extra difficult because I don't remember their name, not a single crouch was personal.

T-bagging is part of PVP in every game that has crouching. This person has impaired my ability to enjoy this game way more than I impaired theirs. If we can't get new pvp content, can @zenimaxonlinestudios at least label t-bagging as gloating and unbannable?

just wondering, is there a reason why you don't use emotes to taunt?

does t-bagging have some kind of special meaning?

locks ya up

geonsocal

Wolfpaw wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Some loser once whined at me because I bagged them after I turned around their gank on them. They said they'd report me for it if I ever did it again, and assured me it had nothing to do with sex stuff. That message laid the groundwork for a future ban. I now have to be mindful that I never bag that exact dork again which is extra difficult because I don't remember their name, not a single crouch was personal.

T-bagging is part of PVP in every game that has crouching. This person has impaired my ability to enjoy this game way more than I impaired theirs. If we can't get new pvp content, can @zenimaxonlinestudios at least label t-bagging as gloating and unbannable?

just wondering, is there a reason why you don't use emotes to taunt?

does t-bagging have some kind of special meaning?

locks ya up

ha @Wolfpaw - if i'm motivated enough to laugh at you and dance on your body - i'll pop a health draught (immoveable) just so i can do my thing ...at times i'll literally block out the rest of the battle going on

just so i can poke fun at you cuz you died...

MEBengalsFan2001

The simple act of t-bagging is disrespectful and IMO players who do this and are reported for this should receive some type of punishment.

I have no problem with emotes though. I laugh when they are used on me.

DrNukenstein

geonsocal wrote: »

fair enough @DrNukenstein

if i kill someone, heck if i see you dead on the ground, hanging around - good chance you'll get a show - i love stringing together emotes to make a bit of continuous scene...

Hey I just found out I have the shovel emote. This weekend I think that's going to be my new thing. I might even have to pack some immove pots for it. That's a $30 idea.

Bagging's an A-tier taunt for how easy and effective it is, but shovel is uncontested S-tier for it's immense style.

But if enough people shovel, I'm sure there'll be a couple reports saying they got triggered from being buried alive once.

Wolfpaw

geonsocal wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Some loser once whined at me because I bagged them after I turned around their gank on them. They said they'd report me for it if I ever did it again, and assured me it had nothing to do with sex stuff. That message laid the groundwork for a future ban. I now have to be mindful that I never bag that exact dork again which is extra difficult because I don't remember their name, not a single crouch was personal.

T-bagging is part of PVP in every game that has crouching. This person has impaired my ability to enjoy this game way more than I impaired theirs. If we can't get new pvp content, can @zenimaxonlinestudios at least label t-bagging as gloating and unbannable?

just wondering, is there a reason why you don't use emotes to taunt?

does t-bagging have some kind of special meaning?

locks ya up

ha @Wolfpaw - if i'm motivated enough to laugh at you and dance on your body - i'll pop a health draught (immoveable) just so i can do my thing ...at times i'll literally block out the rest of the battle going on

just so i can poke fun at you cuz you died...

sounds good to me, tbag/emotes are fun , I would never do anything silly like report.

I've only tbag a few times, mostly to friends as "hi", use salute for enemies that gave a good fight, & zerglings I don't waste my time.

geonsocal

on console (playstation) we need to repeatedly press R3 (one of the mini-joysticks) to crouch/bag - it ends up looking really spastic when most folks do it...not smooth at all...

Wolfpaw

geonsocal wrote: »

on console (playstation) we need to repeatedly press R3 (one of the mini-joysticks) to crouch/bag - it ends up looking really spastic when most folks do it...not smooth at all...

R3 not your weapon swap! Game changer.

geonsocal

Wolfpaw wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

on console (playstation) we need to repeatedly press R3 (one of the mini-joysticks) to crouch/bag - it ends up looking really spastic when most folks do it...not smooth at all...

R3 not your weapon swap! Game changer.

ahhhhh, hadn't thought of re-keying the controller...

OBJnoob

It isn’t a big deal. Shouldn’t be anyway.

I bagged someone last night for the first time in, I dunno, half a year. I was solo taking a rss and he tried to fight me on flag… it was a good fight honestly, but I guess my sustain was better than his because for no reason apparent to me he decides to take the fight into the tower. So we’re fighting in the tower and it takes me a while to kill him… come back down, I have one random alliance member flipping the flag for me. Cool. Then on the way to front door he fights me… the rando on my team is curiously not helping me… I’m getting the impression they know each other maybe… maybe the guy was requesting a redo of the 1v1. So I give him his chance… but he keeps trying to draw me into guards. And I keep not obliging. Anyway by the time the guy finally missteps and I kill him again… I dunno, I guess I felt especially trolled at the moment by both the people, so I bagged the guy. Just a way of saying “I’m better than you leave me alone.” Which… no, that’s not nice to say, but it felt appropriate at the moment, and I’m sure my level of anger before bagging him was just as high as their level of anger after I bagged him. We probably both just need to get over it, if I may finally tie this anecdote back into the main discussion. All is fair.

Wolfpaw

geonsocal wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

on console (playstation) we need to repeatedly press R3 (one of the mini-joysticks) to crouch/bag - it ends up looking really spastic when most folks do it...not smooth at all...

R3 not your weapon swap! Game changer.

ahhhhh, hadn't thought of re-keying the controller...

idk why zos doesn't add this qol, but PlayStation has it under accessibility

DaisyRay

I hope people can't report friends who tbag each other. I never tbag people I don't know. My friends wouldn't care if I did it to them, so no one else should.

Wolfpaw

DaisyRay wrote: »

I hope people can't report friends who tbag each other. I never tbag people I don't know. My friends wouldn't care if I did it to them, so no one else should.

According to the rule shared by Gina, only the person that was the recipient of the bag can file a complaint, and only after they told the bagger to stop, and that person continued to bag.

tsaescishoeshiner

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Some loser once whined at me because I bagged them after I turned around their gank on them. They said they'd report me for it if I ever did it again, and assured me it had nothing to do with sex stuff. That message laid the groundwork for a future ban. I now have to be mindful that I never bag that exact dork again which is extra difficult because I don't remember their name, not a single crouch was personal.

T-bagging is part of PVP in every game that has crouching. This person has impaired my ability to enjoy this game way more than I impaired theirs. If we can't get new pvp content, can @zenimaxonlinestudios at least label t-bagging as gloating and unbannable?

They probably told you that because the proper way to report someone for teabagging is to ask them not to do it first. Which is ridiculous—I've had to ask people not to do it and it's super awkward lol! "Hii, please don't put your [redacted] in my mouth." lol .... It's especially hard because it tends to offend the teabagger who often thinks the person is salty for dying and is just trying to get back at them.

Teabagging is joking about forcing sex on a stranger, plain and simple. It's not done with the intention to make the other person laugh. I know people who don't PvP specifically because it's so violative. It's unwelcoming and bad manners, and the game would have a stronger community if people were less sensitive about being asked not to teabag.

It might be funny between friends, but it's totally different among strangers. Like many raunchy jokes are. I usually settle for an emote like /sweep or /shovel.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's unwelcoming and bad manners, and the game would have a stronger community if people were less sensitive about being asked not to teabag.
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Oh the irony!

No the multiplayer gaming community for as long as I can remember has been totally fine with t-bagging. Some small percentage of the younger generation of gamers is too sensitive to handle it and have been trying to get it banned. You can't call the rest of us sensitive when we aren't the ones who were offended. We shouldn't have to change for the newcomers. They should embrace the culture of the group they want to be a part of. If not then single player games and mobile games might be more to their interest.

DaisyRay

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Teabagging is joking about forcing sex on a stranger, plain and simple. It's not done with the intention to make the other person laugh. I know people who don't PvP specifically because it's so violative. It's unwelcoming and bad manners, and the game would have a stronger community if people were less sensitive about being asked not to teabag.

It might be funny between friends, but it's totally different among strangers. Like many raunchy jokes are. I usually settle for an emote like /sweep or /shovel.

I hate when I see this honestly. Teabagging is nothing of the sort, you all sound ridiculous claiming this is a form of sa.

1.) It's a game.
2.) No one in rl teabags corps (I hope?)

It's okay to not like teabaggers, but don't compare it to sa. That's just insulting to sa victims.