PTS Update 34 - Feedback Thread for Classes & Abilities

Zezin

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Funny part is they even buffed DKs survivability, like I don't think the King of Survivability needs more.

They were targeting PvE survivability with those changes, it just so happens it also buffed survivability for PvP... Unfortunate but I don't begrudge them on this nor do I think it's a bad thing per SE I just want the class to deal less damage if they have so much survivability and cc.

Mr_Stach

I really think they need to separate PvP & PvE Balance.

Selot

Magblade NEEDS to be buffed, this class is in the worst position in pvp at the moment.

Mr_Stach

Selot wrote: »

Magblade NEEDS to be buffed, this class is in the worst position in pvp at the moment.

I disagree that they are the "worst" but I'll agree that they could def use a buff.

Foxtrot39

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Selot wrote: »

Magblade NEEDS to be buffed, this class is in the worst position in pvp at the moment.

I disagree that they are the "worst" but I'll agree that they could def use a buff.

Worst as in none of the class skill is usable in PVP (save for cloak) sure

VarisVaris

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Selot wrote: »

Magblade NEEDS to be buffed, this class is in the worst position in pvp at the moment.

I disagree that they are the "worst" but I'll agree that they could def use a buff.

Worst as in none of the class skill is usable in PVP (save for cloak) sure

Healthy offering, assassin's will, concealed weapon, lotus fan, cloak as mentioned, next patch path, shadow image, soul tether, incap/soul harvest.

Looks like more than one tbh

Mr_Stach

You gotta realize, I'm gonna look at everything through the Lens of a Warden Main. Warden has 4 Damaging Skills. We have no useful stun. Our Main Spammable is terrible.

I don't think that NB is Worse than Warden.

Mr_Stach

Another week of silence concerning Warden. So glad that DK got some Nerfs. But I'm sure nothing is going to happen for Warden. Arctic Blast is gonna go live and no one will use it. At all.

merpins

Mr_Stach wrote: »

You gotta realize, I'm gonna look at everything through the Lens of a Warden Main. Warden has 4 Damaging Skills. We have no useful stun. Our Main Spammable is terrible.

I don't think that NB is Worse than Warden.

NB is a disjointed mess of a class whose skills are all mediocre making for a super hard to play rotation just to get good dps. Warden is a great class with strong skills, but only like 4 of them making for a very simple playstyle with very limited options... for stamina only. Mag Warden got nerfed hard, when it already only had like 3 skills to use, despite it not really needing the nerf and needing a buff. And DK got nerfed, but who knows whether or not this will significantly affect them. I suspect it will affect their survivability only.

Mr_Stach

That's fair. Stamden is gonna be great this patch. I'll probably hang up my Magden for a bit, which is sad because it's been my main since Morrowind.

Rest in Peace, Glacial Guardian

Foxtrot39

Well I guess mass hysteria/Consuming darknes and their morph are considered meta skill that are often used by any NB user as this patch was all about buffing the underperofrming or underused skills

Warden are totaly fine and don't need a single on demand stuns as everyone politely do 5x range attack when they're asked to do so

/s

Mr_Stach

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

Well I guess mass hysteria/Consuming darknes and their morph are considered meta skill that are often used by any NB user as this patch was all about buffing the underperofrming or underused skills

Warden are totaly fine and don't need a single on demand stuns as everyone politely do 5x range attack when they're asked to do so

/s

Um excuse me, you seemed to have walked out of my stun buildup, would you kindly stay close to me while I attempt to stun you a second time. This is a very expensive skill and it just takes too long, I'd rather not go OOM trying to stun you..... Oh you, you stunned me..... That seemed way too easy.... Oh you have 3 more on demand you can choose from.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

Well I guess mass hysteria/Consuming darknes and their morph are considered meta skill that are often used by any NB user as this patch was all about buffing the underperofrming or underused skills

Warden are totaly fine and don't need a single on demand stuns as everyone politely do 5x range attack when they're asked to do so

/s

Um excuse me, you seemed to have walked out of my stun buildup, would you kindly stay close to me while I attempt to stun you a second time. This is a very expensive skill and it just takes too long, I'd rather not go OOM trying to stun you..... Oh you, you stunned me..... That seemed way too easy.... Oh you have 3 more on demand you can choose from.

we're not worth getting fixed apparently.

master_vanargand

Is "update34" a Nightblade's buff?
No, even if buff a skill that no one uses, no one will use it.
Nightblade is in despair.

[Nightblade's wish]
PvP
Add Major Savagery and Prophecy to "Grim Focus".
Nightblade attaches great importance to Critical and requires major barbarians and prophecies in class skills.

PvE
Nightblade is the lowest DPS.
Nightblade has no useful synergies and AoE is weak.
Nightblade specializes in single damage, but is below average DPS of class.
So need change the Passive Skills "Pressure Points" to 3% (657).
This is the simplest idea to raise DPS.

Dexter411

Magplars still can not sustain simple dummy parse, even with 2h backbar and 2 stamina skills, jabs are overtuned, you know one skill is way overtuned when adding and keeping 100% of most dots is dps los because you're not jabbing
Nightblades outside of ganking in PvP are a dead class
Warden still has only one true "greater" morph for bear, magwarden is horrible and provides 0 utility since tanks can apply brittle

Casualsoul ring is the main focus
On ESOlogs 80-85% of top parses are magDK's so they nerfed it's sustain

Plus ZoS adds yet another broken gimmick to the game(card game) that will be playable without major issues in year or so

Meanwhile, same bugs exists since the content was released, never even acknowledged by devs.

Yup, I think it is a time to take another couple of months of break from ESO.

TheKingofSass

Please consider lowering the cooldown for DK combustion passive and higher the ember heal % a little bit.

The whole "this class is meant to suffer" is a load of nonsense and just???? Either readjust these changes or find a way to separate PVE & PVP.

I understand these changes in pvp were needed, but they will hit, as USUSAL, pve the most. For the love of anything Holy and good in this world, separate pvp & pve.

Suggestion for Ember it make the heal 65% and for the combustion passive to 1.5 seconds or 2. DK finally are playable with nice sustain on PVE live, please don't destroy that. Give actual balance or separate pvp/pve.

It's been asked for YEARS. It's possible. Just do it.

Mr_Stach

TheKingofSass wrote: »

Please consider lowering the cooldown for DK combustion passive and higher the ember heal % a little bit.

The whole "this class is meant to suffer" is a load of nonsense and just???? Either readjust these changes or find a way to separate PVE & PVP.

I understand these changes in pvp were needed, but they will hit, as USUSAL, pve the most. For the love of anything Holy and good in this world, separate pvp & pve.

Suggestion for Ember it make the heal 65% and for the combustion passive to 1.5 seconds or 2. DK finally are playable with nice sustain on PVE live, please don't destroy that. Give actual balance or separate pvp/pve.

It's been asked for YEARS. It's possible. Just do it.

Personally I think the sweet spot would be a 1 second CD on, making it comparable to other resource sustain passives.

Right now they nerfed from 1k per .5 seconds to 1k per 3 seconds. That's a 6x nerf. Nothing should ever be nerfed that hard.

warmantes

Please don’t put DK back at the bottom again!
Sustain was the main issue which kept DK’s on the bottom of dps choices for highly optimized endgame raiding groups. Please i beg you, please don’t make that happen again.
DK is such a fun class and with this change we will probably be forced to go back too Necro again.

I know this is niche and its probably been too good in other scenarios other than endgame pve.
But what about only reducing combustion to every 1 secound instead of 3.
Thats still a 50% nerf rather than an 250% nerf.

I would say thats my biggest issue.
Burning embers could go down to 70% mby, but combustion is priority number 1.

lonnml

Two words: Magicka Warden.

ZOS please stop ignoring the PTS feedback. At least give every other magden thread an acknowledgement or an explanation of why already-meh skills are getting nerfed into the ground

Bodycounter

warmantes wrote: »

But what about only reducing combustion to every 1 second instead of 3.
Thats still a 50% nerf rather than an 250% nerf.

Combustion was nerfed by 500% and your suggestion would nerf it by 100%. I just wanted to get the numbers right to better visualise the current nerf better. I don't think it's fine to increase the internal timer of the passive by six times. I know Dragonknights need nerfs in terms of PvP but they should not be put back in PvE/Solo like two years ago. ZoS should make changes to abilities that directly impact PvP performance like Fossilize, Corrosive Armor or Coagulating Blood.

Mr_Stach

Giving it one more college try, the Arctic Blast change is awful, the Slab change is irrelevant.

The "Master's of Ice" as you put it have 1 relevant Ice skill, the rest are unused. Which in that perspective make half of the Glacial Presence passive (200% chance to apply chill with Winter's Embrace abilities) less effective.

There's been a lot of ideas, making Arctic blast an area skill:



We've suggested retooling some Animal Companion skills to just dealing Frost Damage:



Lately, I've been experimenting with ideas of just recreating the Mag morphs in animal tree to be Ice themed, I don't expect these whatsoever, but just trying to show what kind of skills could be cool:

Spammable from the trailer?



Reimagining Deep Fissure as an Ice Ability:



Point is, we're just wanting to know that we're being heard, we don't expect changes immediately, we just want some kind of response. We're putting in a lot of work trying to stay relevant but entering into the 4th week of silence is taking it's toll. We just want an On Demand Stun in our kit, waiting for a stun to happen for 5 seconds is just plain terrible. Waiting for someone to hit you from range for a defensive stun is not great either. I can't speak to NB or Sorc feeling bad, but Mag Warden feels like it's scraping the bottom of the barrel in PvP.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Giving it one more college try, the Arctic Blast change is awful, the Slab change is irrelevant.

The "Master's of Ice" as you put it have 1 relevant Ice skill, the rest are unused. Which in that perspective make half of the Glacial Presence passive (200% chance to apply chill with Winter's Embrace abilities) less effective.

There's been a lot of ideas, making Arctic blast an area skill:



We've suggested retooling some Animal Companion skills to just dealing Frost Damage:



Lately, I've been experimenting with ideas of just recreating the Mag morphs in animal tree to be Ice themed, I don't expect these whatsoever, but just trying to show what kind of skills could be cool:

Spammable from the trailer?



Reimagining Deep Fissure as an Ice Ability:



Point is, we're just wanting to know that we're being heard, we don't expect changes immediately, we just want some kind of response. We're putting in a lot of work trying to stay relevant but entering into the 4th week of silence is taking it's toll. We just want an On Demand Stun in our kit, waiting for a stun to happen for 5 seconds is just plain terrible. Waiting for someone to hit you from range for a defensive stun is not great either. I can't speak to NB or Sorc feeling bad, but Mag Warden feels like it's scraping the bottom of the barrel in PvP.

as much as i hate saying this, the college try is most likely going to fall on deaf ears.

master_vanargand

Mr_Stach wrote: »

TheKingofSass wrote: »

Please consider lowering the cooldown for DK combustion passive and higher the ember heal % a little bit.

The whole "this class is meant to suffer" is a load of nonsense and just???? Either readjust these changes or find a way to separate PVE & PVP.

I understand these changes in pvp were needed, but they will hit, as USUSAL, pve the most. For the love of anything Holy and good in this world, separate pvp & pve.

Suggestion for Ember it make the heal 65% and for the combustion passive to 1.5 seconds or 2. DK finally are playable with nice sustain on PVE live, please don't destroy that. Give actual balance or separate pvp/pve.

It's been asked for YEARS. It's possible. Just do it.

Personally I think the sweet spot would be a 1 second CD on, making it comparable to other resource sustain passives.

Right now they nerfed from 1k per .5 seconds to 1k per 3 seconds. That's a 6x nerf. Nothing should ever be nerfed that hard.

In the case of "1k per .5 seconds", resources will not run out forever even after fighting for 1000 years.
For example, Mag Nightblade's Siphoning Attacks is "cast cost 1080, 4270 additional Magicka to 20 seconds after".
"1k per 3 seconds" is 6666 in 20 seconds, which is still much better than Mag Nightblade's Siphoning Attacks.
Are DK dissatisfied with this?
It's still OP.

Mr_Stach

I mean, I think Siphoning Attacks could use a buff anyways

master_vanargand

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I mean, I think Siphoning Attacks could use a buff anyways

But DK's combustion is passive skill.
Not requiring Skill slots is a big advantage.
So DK's combustion is much better than NB's Siphoning Attacks.

Aldoss

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Giving it one more college try, the Arctic Blast change is awful, the Slab change is irrelevant.

The "Master's of Ice" as you put it have 1 relevant Ice skill, the rest are unused. Which in that perspective make half of the Glacial Presence passive (200% chance to apply chill with Winter's Embrace abilities) less effective.

There's been a lot of ideas, making Arctic blast an area skill:



We've suggested retooling some Animal Companion skills to just dealing Frost Damage:



Lately, I've been experimenting with ideas of just recreating the Mag morphs in animal tree to be Ice themed, I don't expect these whatsoever, but just trying to show what kind of skills could be cool:

Spammable from the trailer?



Reimagining Deep Fissure as an Ice Ability:



Point is, we're just wanting to know that we're being heard, we don't expect changes immediately, we just want some kind of response. We're putting in a lot of work trying to stay relevant but entering into the 4th week of silence is taking it's toll. We just want an On Demand Stun in our kit, waiting for a stun to happen for 5 seconds is just plain terrible. Waiting for someone to hit you from range for a defensive stun is not great either. I can't speak to NB or Sorc feeling bad, but Mag Warden feels like it's scraping the bottom of the barrel in PvP.

I think what gets me the most is that the bear suggestion is so easy to implement just like the new wild guardian changes were. They don't have to retool the ultimate, they just have to update the tooltip the same way they did for wild and paint the bear white. They've already proved that reskinning can be done with the ult with the special collector's edition bundle (I think? The grey skinned bear?)

I hope they won't neglect this excellent suggestion just because they don't want to cover up someone's ult skin that they bought in a bundle many years ago.

Mr_Stach

master_vanargand wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I mean, I think Siphoning Attacks could use a buff anyways

But DK's combustion is passive skill.
Not requiring Skill slots is a big advantage.
So DK's combustion is much better than NB's Siphoning Attacks.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Combustion is very strong. It needed a nerf.

I still think that the Nerf was too heavy handed. I also agree that a passive should be weaker than a slotted skill, so I still think Siphoning needs a buff.

master_vanargand

Mr_Stach wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I mean, I think Siphoning Attacks could use a buff anyways

But DK's combustion is passive skill.
Not requiring Skill slots is a big advantage.
So DK's combustion is much better than NB's Siphoning Attacks.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Combustion is very strong. It needed a nerf.

I still think that the Nerf was too heavy handed. I also agree that a passive should be weaker than a slotted skill, so I still think Siphoning needs a buff.

I'm sorry.
I'm not good at English, so I mistranslated your opinion.
I agree with your opinion.
Siphoning Strikes (Morfhs: Siphoning Attacks, Leeching Strikes) require a buff.

Mr_Stach

Aldoss wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Giving it one more college try, the Arctic Blast change is awful, the Slab change is irrelevant.

The "Master's of Ice" as you put it have 1 relevant Ice skill, the rest are unused. Which in that perspective make half of the Glacial Presence passive (200% chance to apply chill with Winter's Embrace abilities) less effective.

There's been a lot of ideas, making Arctic blast an area skill:



We've suggested retooling some Animal Companion skills to just dealing Frost Damage:



Lately, I've been experimenting with ideas of just recreating the Mag morphs in animal tree to be Ice themed, I don't expect these whatsoever, but just trying to show what kind of skills could be cool:

Spammable from the trailer?



Reimagining Deep Fissure as an Ice Ability:



Point is, we're just wanting to know that we're being heard, we don't expect changes immediately, we just want some kind of response. We're putting in a lot of work trying to stay relevant but entering into the 4th week of silence is taking it's toll. We just want an On Demand Stun in our kit, waiting for a stun to happen for 5 seconds is just plain terrible. Waiting for someone to hit you from range for a defensive stun is not great either. I can't speak to NB or Sorc feeling bad, but Mag Warden feels like it's scraping the bottom of the barrel in PvP.

I think what gets me the most is that the bear suggestion is so easy to implement just like the new wild guardian changes were. They don't have to retool the ultimate, they just have to update the tooltip the same way they did for wild and paint the bear white. They've already proved that reskinning can be done with the ult with the special collector's edition bundle (I think? The grey skinned bear?)

I hope they won't neglect this excellent suggestion just because they don't want to cover up someone's ult skin that they bought in a bundle many years ago.

Yep, the Bear Ult change is probably the simplest solution, they could also make a polar bear skin close to the other skin we received.

Mr_Stach

Also just another quick thought. Warden has no Burst Ult. Yes there's Ice Comet and Dawnbreaker, but what if we change how Permafrost Worked for PvP? A big Dunk & Stun? That would be Rad as Hell.