Thunder Caller - another rubbish set

molecule

Was looking forward to this set ;



https://eso-sets.com/set/thunder-caller

But wow is it rubbish, i mean this is a brand new set so it should be useful damage wise as it is aimed at dps.

21m parse - using heavy attacks to maximise the proc/cooldown



A huge 4% damage from a 5 piece set .

Another rough parse ;



Illambris 2 piece gets 3% damage, this 5 piece gets just over 4% again.

Which dps in there right mind will wear a 5 piece set for 1-2% more than a 2 piece set ?

YandereGirlfriend

Indeed.

I'm not sure what ZOS has against providing Shock Mages with a decent damage set but evidently someone somewhere is holding a grudge.

Even a Shock version of Frostbite would be welcome.

six2fall

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Indeed.

I'm not sure what ZOS has against providing Shock Mages with a decent damage set but evidently someone somewhere is holding a grudge.

Even a Shock version of Frostbite would be welcome.

Isnt there already a set (a bad one) that boosts shock damage

YandereGirlfriend

six2fall wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Indeed.

I'm not sure what ZOS has against providing Shock Mages with a decent damage set but evidently someone somewhere is holding a grudge.

Even a Shock version of Frostbite would be welcome.

Isnt there already a set (a bad one) that boosts shock damage

Netch's Touch is hopelessly weak (as are all of the 400-series elemental sets that were abandoned at that low tuning).

The best set available is Elemental Succession but there's nothing unique to that set for Shock Mages.

The other confounding aspect of playing a Shock Mage is the dire lack of actual Shock Damage abilities (especially if you don't want to play with pets). Frost Wardens were in the same boat and received a great new spammable in this patch so hopefully ZOS will do the same for Shock Mages soon!

UntilValhalla13

I just assumed it was the new meme set, like mad tinkerer, designed for the new people who just go around heavy attacking everything with a lightning staff.

Tannus15

Proc sets are bad for PvE.
Heavy attack condition sets are bad for PvE.
Shock damage is a bad damage type.

This set is in the centre of a venn diagram of bad.

Soulshine

Tannus15 wrote: »

Proc sets are bad for PvE.
Heavy attack condition sets are bad for PvE.
Shock damage is a bad damage type.

This set is in the centre of a venn diagram of bad.

you mean "VERY BAD for HEALERS WHO GET STUCK WITH THEM!!!!" there fixed that for you

I am seriously fed up with the stupid amount of heavy attack sets that inevitably land on my healers.

Some clown in development who clearly doesn't know how to buff or heal properly (seen his stream when healing, won't name names....) or WHAT should really be done with healers thinks forcing them into off DPS is the way to go so he keeps pushing the idea that heavy attacking on healers is the way to go. Yeah lemme run this now in vRG when there are umpteen thing to keep track of already, and just stand there like a stick and HA all day for the lousy procs this would give.....

STOP WITH THE RIDICULOUS HA SETS already!

TimeDazzler

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

Soulshine

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Ishtarknows

They're really pushing the Heavy attacks aren't they?

ssewallb14_ESO

Yeah, I tested it on my heavy attack sorc on PTS, it's undertuned for sure, at least on a full heavy attack build.

It's about the same DPS as Noble Duelist, but with the requirement that the target be stationary the entire time, and not meaningfully more than Infiltrator which has a very easy proc condition on a mag build, and the added utility of being able to roll like a stam build.

Edit: Actually this was before the scaling was changed. So it's probably garbage now.

The effect looks pretty cool though.

tonyblack

This set is practically only usable by nb gankers to compliment vateshran 2h + deadland assassin combo. Absolutely underpowered and useless for pve in any case. Why devs think this is good design is beyond me.

francesinhalover

molecule wrote: »

Was looking forward to this set ;



https://eso-sets.com/set/thunder-caller

But wow is it rubbish, i mean this is a brand new set so it should be useful damage wise as it is aimed at dps.

21m parse - using heavy attacks to maximise the proc/cooldown



A huge 4% damage from a 5 piece set .

Another rough parse ;



Illambris 2 piece gets 3% damage, this 5 piece gets just over 4% again.

Which dps in there right mind will wear a 5 piece set for 1-2% more than a 2 piece set ?

i tried , i really did for this set to not be heavy attack based,
i did posts , participated in discussions...

but i guess they wanted heavys. even though most of the community dislikes them https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/581160/do-you-like-sets-that-proc-when-you-heavy-attack/p1

FENGRUSH

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Every decent stam build uses heavy attacks with frenzied momentum already.

Soulshine

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Every decent stam build uses heavy attacks with frenzied momentum already.

No, not "every decent stam build' is heavy attacks sorry.

ResidentContrarian

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Heavy attack builds do exist, granted they are usually used by groups of people to increase the cheese factor...

Soulshine wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Every decent stam build uses heavy attacks with frenzied momentum already.

No, not "every decent stam build' is heavy attacks sorry.

He is talking about PvP, where you should be heavy attacking (or partial) esp. on some classes/builds where it does considerable damage. In PvP you can get heavies past the 17k mark on people, some over 20k even without specifically building for it...But lets not discuss that too much, I can sense a nerf approaching.

Arunei

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

I probably don't PvP enough to really speak on this matter, but...this seems a little bit strange to claim considering ZOS is still limiting a lot of proc sets in Cyro atm.

Integral1900

Personally I prefer heavy attacks as they look far more cinematic and dramatic, light attacks I find personally rather boring. However… This set would have to get an almighty boost before it became worth using, there are base game sets that trigger lightning explosions that look far more impressive than this thing does.

RaikaNA

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Every decent stam build uses heavy attacks with frenzied momentum already.

Sorry, you're wrong, Mr. Famous Streamer. The last time I've watched your stream.. I did not see you using this **heavy attack** build that you think is decent.. you were mostly streaking and spamming bombard on your stam sorc. Is that no longer a thing now these days? I haven't watch your stream in a while.

Soulshine

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Heavy attack builds do exist, granted they are usually used by groups of people to increase the cheese factor...

Soulshine wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

TimeDazzler wrote: »

Meanwhile in PvP this set is crazy strong. I seriously do not understand why PvE players want proc sets to be competitive with the damage sets that allow you to parse 90k+. It’s like if PvPers went around and said wearing aegis of galenwe, automated degree, relequen, yolnahkriin, nahviintaas, kynes wind, lunar bastion, siroria, master architect, moondancer, etc are rubbish sets because they are terrible for PvP.

Some sets are better for PvP and others for PvE, proc sets are 90% of the time better for PvP.

If you are seriously planning to run a Heavy Attack build in PVP I want to see the video please.

Every decent stam build uses heavy attacks with frenzied momentum already.

No, not "every decent stam build' is heavy attacks sorry.

He is talking about PvP, where you should be heavy attacking (or partial) esp. on some classes/builds where it does considerable damage. In PvP you can get heavies past the 17k mark on people, some over 20k even without specifically building for it...But lets not discuss that too much, I can sense a nerf approaching.

I was aware he was talking about PvP. And no, not EVERY "decent build" for PvP is built a heavy attack build.