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stealth on stamblade should have drawbacks
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭techyeshic wrote: »Must be bait to just say I find it funny that people complain about cloak being OP, and others say it's not effective enough. Lord forbid you find irony in wild extremes, or recognize it's a tool in a collective kit that's use in combination makes or breaks it. Having an even opinion just calls for trolling I suppose
i never said cloak is OP i just said that it shouldnt be as strong on a stamblade as it is on a magblade since stamblades have several advantages especially if u give them the ability to cloak on top of it some of the advantages has been talked about.
Stamblades have significantly lower Magicka pool and recovery than magblades, as well and magblades having cost reduction through Light Armour.
MagNB can use Stealth much more effectively than StamNB. Could permanently cloak if they wanted to. A StamNB could never
Also your comparison to Stamsorcs having shields is wrong. It's like Stamsorcs having Streak and BoL, which they do.
Again, while they can utilise it very well, they could never get as much out of it as Magsorc.0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭techyeshic wrote: »Must be bait to just say I find it funny that people complain about cloak being OP, and others say it's not effective enough. Lord forbid you find irony in wild extremes, or recognize it's a tool in a collective kit that's use in combination makes or breaks it. Having an even opinion just calls for trolling I suppose
i never said cloak is OP i just said that it shouldnt be as strong on a stamblade as it is on a magblade since stamblades have several advantages especially if u give them the ability to cloak on top of it some of the advantages has been talked about.
Also your comparison to Stamsorcs having shields is wrong. It's like Stamsorcs having Streak and BoL, which they do.
Again, while they can utilise it very well, they could never get as much out of it as Magsorc.
streak is comparable to nightblade shadowimage not cloak. with cloak u stay near the target and mitigate dmg.0 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭by your logic, stam dks should not benifit from their classes mag abilities? Stam sorcs shouldn't use streak , no purify for stamplars etc...As somebody asked earlier, have you ever played a stamblade? I prob have as much time played on nbs (mag and stam) as you could have without going crazy, I am not claiming to be good, I am claiming to have an idea about what I am talking about....the cloak comparison between mag and stam blades is vastly different in open world use.GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭by your logic, stam dks should not benifit from their classes mag abilities? Stam sorcs shouldn't use streak , no purify for stamplars etc...As somebody asked earlier, have you ever played a stamblade? I prob have as much time played on nbs (mag and stam) as you could have without going crazy, I am not claiming to be good, I am claiming to have an idea about what I am talking about....the cloak comparison between mag and stam blades is vastly different in open world use.
i have exp on both stam and mag and my main source of experience is bg. so our view probably differs becouse of it0 -
ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭techyeshic wrote: »Must be bait to just say I find it funny that people complain about cloak being OP, and others say it's not effective enough. Lord forbid you find irony in wild extremes, or recognize it's a tool in a collective kit that's use in combination makes or breaks it. Having an even opinion just calls for trolling I suppose
i never said cloak is OP i just said that it shouldnt be as strong on a stamblade as it is on a magblade since stamblades have several advantages especially if u give them the ability to cloak on top of it some of the advantages has been talked about.
Also your comparison to Stamsorcs having shields is wrong. It's like Stamsorcs having Streak and BoL, which they do.
Again, while they can utilise it very well, they could never get as much out of it as Magsorc.
streak is comparable to nightblade shadowimage not cloak. with cloak u stay near the target and mitigate dmg.
Streak you get away from the target so mitigate all melee damage, as well as a unblockable stun, or BoL and also mitigate all Ranged damage.
Ball of Lightning mitigates projectiles for 3s, and melee for however long it takes for them to get close to you, with no counters.
Cloak has numerous counters.
Shade you can only use once, then have to get away from it again. Can't use it back to back.Edited by ThePedge on 23 March 2021 13:431 -
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Streak is not comparable to any other skill in the game. It is the ultimate all-context utility skill.streak is comparable to nightblade shadowimage not cloak. with cloak u stay near the target and mitigate dmg.
I'd really hate for this to sound like a "learn to play" post because that is obnoxious. But genuinely do go and build a NB and try using cloak. Nobody who has used it will try to argue it is overpowered as you are here.
And, more importantly, by playing with Cloak, you very quickly learn what all of its many and very easy counterplays are, by the variety of ways that you get killed while using it.Edited by rbfrgsp on 24 March 2021 00:223 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭
Streak is not comparable to any other skill in the game. It is the ultimate all-context utility skill.streak is comparable to nightblade shadowimage not cloak. with cloak u stay near the target and mitigate dmg.
I'd really hate for this to sound like a "learn to play" post because that is obnoxious. But genuinely do go and build a NB and try using cloak. Nobody who has used it will try to argue it is overpowered as you are here.
And, more importantly, by playing with Cloak, you very quickly learn what all of its many and very easy counterplays are, by the variety of ways that you get killed while using it.
mate i play nightblade since 6 years as main stam and mag.
search for my comment in this thread for example u see i do know exactly what im talking about but im not biased about this whole thing. i think the experience differ alot depending on what server ur from and what pvp u mainly play(i play bg where cloak is even less effective). but believe me one day or another ull see it too.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7163626#Comment_7163626
lets this thread go into the grave pls i have no intention of continueing to argue with ppl about a nerf that would affect myself.Edited by Noctus on 24 March 2021 20:560 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »Stamblades are very strong this patch, but they don't need adjusting. There is so many ways to counter cloak.
Inner Light, Expert Hunter, detect pots etc are available for all classes and specs to slot if they choose to run a counter to stealth and cloak. NB's can put a mark on another NB and see them in cloak. There are a few sets that also have aways to counter cloak I believe as well.
yes the mark was my favorite skill back in the day where it would work for like 20 secs. however my true problem is not NB its staminaNB and its advantage towards magickaNB thats all there is to it.
Sure but that's an issue of Stamina classes in general having better tools than Mag classes, not just a NB issue.1
