Should “bombing” be removed?

fredthefrown

It’s literally only used by griefers because it serves no purpose except for griefing. Being able to POOF outta nowhere and insta kill a bunch of people long after a battle is over is not competitive, it does not promote competition or a healthy game environment and turns players away from Cyrodiil. It has no place in the game, is purely toxic. Remove it now

ZOS really needs to stop giving players tools to be toxic with

zvavi

No

Lol what? Do bombers even work in this heavy armor meta?

Universe

Yes

Of course.

It takes no skill and is seriously overpowered against groups.
I rarely get hardly hit by it though, it is good to spread out from other players, hold block and be prepared.

Universe

Yes

zvavi wrote: »

Lol what? Do bombers even work in this heavy armor meta?

It works great.

Cloudtrader

No

I hate being bombed, so so much. However, I think it's kind of a cool mechanic and the people dedicated to it should get something out of it. Why take it away?

GrimTheReaper45

No

No, im all for different playstyle diversity. The game needs more not less

Universe

Yes

Cloudtrader wrote: »

I hate being bombed, so so much. However, I think it's kind of a cool mechanic and the people dedicated to it should get something out of it. Why take it away?

Cool indeed, but it doesn't require skill and the benefits are too good for the small amount of effort.

OlumoGarbag

No

Try it out yourself. You shouldnt judge something you have no insight knowledge about.

Also dont stack on the flag. Thats the easiest way to avoid getting bombed.

Sheezabeast

No

No, it's a valid playstyle. It is for smaller-scale groups or solo players and though it may be annoying, it is a valid playstyle and it is unhealthy for the game to eliminate a playstyle just because you don't like it. You can do many things to counter a bomber, such as not clustering in groups, holding block, using things like Magelight or pots that show stealthed combatants...you can protect yourself if you try.

Araneae6537

I don’t know... I respect solo bombers who are able to pull it off as it takes timing and taking advantage of opportunity. But ball groups running around with whatever combination of Crimson Twilight, Vicious Death, Proximity Detonation, etc. — how do you even counter that? One tries cold fire siege but the tidal wave of death will overtake you before more than a few volleys.

PizzaCat82

No

Most of the time bombers do not take flags, keeps, or resources. They simply die at the end of their bomb. They only live to kill players.

The problem isn't really bombers.. but that they're the only solution against clustered up zergs. Meatbag, lancers, coldfire, none of them get more than one or two people and if there's enough of a zerg you need a more coordinated zerg to counter them.

Jackey

No

These bombers you're talking about appears during MYM because it's an effective way to farm AP. They are pretty easy to avoid if you know the spots they usually bomb.
In my experience they're more tactical during regular days when there's no double AP.

Luke_Flamesword

No

I hate being bombed but it's important mechanic which prevents mindless stacking in every situation. Also you have detect skills and pots, so...

Tryxus

No

fredthefrown wrote: »

ZOS really needs to stop giving players tools to be toxic with

People are free to use whatever tools they were given

nukk3r

No

Killing players in a PvP zone isn't toxic, it's playing by the rules. If you step outside your base you're fair game. [snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting and Bashing]

Dame_Scorpio

No

Bombers are annoying and I hate being bombed, but it's a valid play style. There are many counters to it, and when I die to one it's usually my own fault for not using reveal options and/or standing too close to the flag etc. For me they're a mosquito level annoyance.

Lephrel

No

Universe wrote: »

Of course.

It takes no skill and is seriously overpowered against groups.
I rarely get hardly hit by it though, it is good to spread out from other players, hold block and be prepared.

Bombing gives you no more ap than simply leeching off of zergs, and it's probably the most frustrating playstyle in pvp. On top of that, bombing very rarely has any impact on the campaign, you wipe a couple players on a flag and then they kill you and res.
I really don't see the problem with bombing.

ssewallb14_ESO

No

Make VD crit again.

Minnesinger

No

You listed various opinions but none of them qualifies as a reason to remove one play style. And tbh how could that work in practice? Take away AoE skills/ stealth/ NB?

Vlad9425

No

All is fair in Love and War

Iki

Perhaps opening-poster should have explained how "bombing" could be removed in practise. Delete magblade? Prox det? VD?
If I get to decide, vicious death set should be disabled until ungrouped players can protect each others with barrier again and of course cross-heal. I`m fine with conscept of this "bombing" as long as all targets of such attacks can contribute to each others survivability with tools game provides us for that, but now that`s not the case..

VaranisArano

Why? I mean, beyond the obviously salty "because the bomber ambushed me."

Personally, I think its a great reason to stay alert while holding a flag, standing around or repairing a door. Ambushing unaware players isn't toxic. Stay alert, don't play super squishy, and hold block on the flags.

Also, what's up with the sudden rash of polls about different playstyles in PVP?

Kikazaru

No

It's a game. Why ruin a playstyle that others enjoy because it isn't "competitive" in yours eyes? Players should have every right to play how they want to in Cyrodiil.

maxjapank

This is an interesting poll. I didn't vote. But personally, I think that if players approve of bombing, then they should approve of ganking. So I don't understand why Zos has been nerfing ganking recently.

erio

No

No. The more diversity the better. Fun, Interesting, Unique counter to groups of players.

VaranisArano

maxjapank wrote: »

This is an interesting poll. I didn't vote. But personally, I think that if players approve of bombing, then they should approve of ganking. So I don't understand why Zos has been nerfing ganking recently.

A bomb is basically an all-in gank that kills one player to spread that damage to a whole group.

The counters are the same: stay alert, don't run super squishy, and hold block if you are standing around. Be ready to react when it happens.

I've only ever ganked one player: an AD who was too inexperienced to realize that standing outside the keep walls while reading his map was a bad idea. He made a very tempting target of opportunity. So yeah, count me in the group who thinks that bombing and ganking are both legitimate playstyles, even though I'm usually on the receiving end.

FantasticFreddie

No

Kikazaru wrote: »

It's a game. Why ruin a playstyle that others enjoy because it isn't "competitive" in yours eyes? Players should have every right to play how they want to in Cyrodiil.

Amen.

Iki wrote: »

If I get to decide, vicious death set should be disabled until ungrouped players can protect each others with barrier again and of course cross-heal. I`m fine with conscept of this "bombing" as long as all targets of such attacks can contribute to each others survivability with tools game provides us for that, but now that`s not the case..

Double and triple amen.
So unfair we can't counter a bomb but still be killed by it!

Augustus67

No

I rolled up a bomber during the last double xp event,leveled all the relevant skills,golded out the right sets and......failed miserably. Bombing takes a lot of skill to pull off,I've tried 25 bombs and been successfuls 3 times,lol.The timing is key and can be difficult to get right.Much respect to the guys that pull this off consistenly.

JobooAGS

No

Dont ball up and bombs wouldnt be worth much

NoSoup

No

Universe wrote: »

Cloudtrader wrote: »

I hate being bombed, so so much. However, I think it's kind of a cool mechanic and the people dedicated to it should get something out of it. Why take it away?

Cool indeed, but it doesn't require skill and the benefits are too good for the small amount of effort.

I can't disagree with this any more, bombing takes immense skill to get the timing right to pull it off......

ragnarok6644b14_ESO

No

Bombing has counterplay, is a difficult and uniquely rewarding task to pull off (based on what I have heard AND seen; caught more than my fair share of attempted bombers gone wrong), and has a clear gameplay purpose (I have watched a bomber single-handedly turn the tide of battle in Imperial City).