New Ravenwatch - PC EU

DTStormfox

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

. However, to kill a ball group, you need a critical mass - which often presents itself in the form of a faction stack (zerg).

This is the root of all that is boring in Rawenwatch.
To kill a ball group you just need to ignore them, they live only to get easy kills and easy APs, ignore them and they will dissolve because they are unable of any other form of gameplay.

Plenty of keeps to attack while they are doing their usual boring stuff inside a keep, go elsewhere, attack something else and they will dissolve in thin air.

I don't agree. When you ignore a ball group, they get bored and will take the fight to you. Ignoring them is a nonsolution because there is no reason to wait for the fight to come to you if you can take the fight to them.

JamieAubrey

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

. However, to kill a ball group, you need a critical mass - which often presents itself in the form of a faction stack (zerg).

This is the root of all that is boring in Rawenwatch.
To kill a ball group you just need to ignore them, they live only to get easy kills and easy APs, ignore them and they will dissolve because they are unable of any other form of gameplay.

Plenty of keeps to attack while they are doing their usual boring stuff inside a keep, go elsewhere, attack something else and they will dissolve in thin air.

Yeah but they are usually in a home keep so you can't leave until they are dead, if you leave them they will get another group to attack the middle keep and then they take the keep they are running in and then go for a scroll and do it all over again

DTStormfox

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip]

[edited for baiting & profanity bypass]

Tigor

Good time to start doing some homework to decide what sets to run with from U31. Something to run fast as a start would help, because ballgroups stink. 🦨

NotTaylorSwift

DTStormfox wrote: »

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip].

Can you explain the relevance of this?

[edited to remove quote]

Long_Distance

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip]

Can you explain the relevance of this?

Be informed that it's the birthright of every casual zergling to PvD the map in peace. Getting organized and putting effort is NOT allowed!
Also you must always must play the "objectives". That's the way the Cyrodiil is meant to be played as everybody knows and as it has been told to you man times by the Big Boss!

You'll see how much fun that will be for your ball when after 30 days, you'll get 20k gold! You'll be rich in no time :-)

[edited to remove quote]

LarsS

Personally, I like Cyro because it allows som many different playing styles. So I don't understand the hate towards some hardcore guilds. One exception though, my experience is that a majority play for the campaign ( I know it may not be rational) so I wish some hardcore guilds would realise, that they kill the fun for many players when they farm with their own alliances scrolls.

DTStormfox

Long_Distance wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip]

Can you explain the relevance of this?

Be informed that it's the birthright of every casual zergling to PvD the map in peace. Getting organized and putting effort is NOT allowed!
Also you must always must play the "objectives". That's the way the Cyrodiil is meant to be played as everybody knows and as it has been told to you man times by the Big Boss!

You'll see how much fun that will be for your ball when after 30 days, you'll get 20k gold! You'll be rich in no time :-)

[edited to remove quote]

Nice strawman. This is exactly NOT what I meant.

The relevance of my rage was simple:

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll. What is the purpose of it? Let me answer that for you: It has no purpose. It only disrupt(s) another user’s experience (Code of Conduct section 2.3). The AD ballgroup had no business in our fight - literally nothing, nada, nill, zero business. The way they played the game, is not the way it is meant to be played. The way it is meant to be played is: Play the objectives, score more points than the other Alliances and win in the campaign as an Alliance, and crown an emperor. The purpose of Cyrodiil is not: ignore the campaign Alliance' score and disrupt the normal way of playing by crossing the entire map and wiping every other player on the field. Cyrodiil is a competition between the alliances over territory control (keeps, resources and scrolls), not a competition between 'who can wipe an enemy group of players the quickest'.

Review the "#TAMRIELTOGETHER—ESO’S GROUP ACTIVITIES" page from 10/09/2020. Where the developer explicitly states how Cyrodiil is meant to be played. Surprise, it doesn't include: go to the other side of the map to wipe all enemy players while ignoring the objectives.

Long_Distance

DTStormfox wrote: »

Long_Distance wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip]

Can you explain the relevance of this?

Be informed that it's the birthright of every casual zergling to PvD the map in peace. Getting organized and putting effort is NOT allowed!
Also you must always must play the "objectives". That's the way the Cyrodiil is meant to be played as everybody knows and as it has been told to you man times by the Big Boss!

You'll see how much fun that will be for your ball when after 30 days, you'll get 20k gold! You'll be rich in no time :-)

[edited to remove quote]

Nice strawman. This is exactly NOT what I meant.

The relevance of my rage was simple:

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll. What is the purpose of it? Let me answer that for you: It has no purpose. It only disrupt(s) another user’s experience (Code of Conduct section 2.3). The AD ballgroup had no business in our fight - literally nothing, nada, nill, zero business. The way they played the game, is not the way it is meant to be played. The way it is meant to be played is: Play the objectives, score more points than the other Alliances and win in the campaign as an Alliance, and crown an emperor. The purpose of Cyrodiil is not: ignore the campaign Alliance' score and disrupt the normal way of playing by crossing the entire map and wiping every other player on the field. Cyrodiil is a competition between the alliances over territory control (keeps, resources and scrolls), not a competition between 'who can wipe an enemy group of players the quickest'.

Review the "#TAMRIELTOGETHER—ESO’S GROUP ACTIVITIES" page from 10/09/2020. Where the developer explicitly states how Cyrodiil is meant to be played. Surprise, it doesn't include: go to the other side of the map to wipe all enemy players while ignoring the objectives.

This is not an instruction manual. Everybody can play the way he wants.

Long_Distance

LarsS wrote: »

Personally, I like Cyro because it allows som many different playing styles. So I don't understand the hate towards some hardcore guilds. One exception though, my experience is that a majority play for the campaign ( I know it may not be rational) so I wish some hardcore guilds would realise, that they kill the fun for many players when they farm with their own alliances scrolls.

And I wished the zergs wouldn't roll over duels any more and wouldn't chase solos half a cross the map (same goes for some of those "small scalers").

Also most of the zergs don't like solos taking random resources as it disturbs their "strategy".

It is what it is.

Tigor

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 23AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension https://eso-sets.com/set/aetherial-ascension
Agility https://eso-sets.com/set/agility
Akaviri Dragonguard https://eso-sets.com/set/akaviri-dragonguard
Amber Plasm https://eso-sets.com/set/amber-plasm
Archer's Mind https://eso-sets.com/set/archers-mind
Armor of the Seducer https://eso-sets.com/set/armor-of-the-seducer
Armor of the Trainee https://eso-sets.com/set/armor-of-the-trainee
Assassin's Guile https://eso-sets.com/set/assassins-guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces) https://eso-sets.com/set/bahrahas-curse
Bastion of the Heartland https://eso-sets.com/set/bastion-of-the-heartland
Battlefield Acrobat https://eso-sets.com/set/battlefield-acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear https://eso-sets.com/set/beekeepers-gear
Black Rose https://eso-sets.com/set/black-rose
Blessing of the Potentates https://eso-sets.com/set/blessing-of-the-potentates
Blooddrinker https://eso-sets.com/set/blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift https://eso-sets.com/set/buffer-of-the-swift
Caustic Arrow (Master) https://eso-sets.com/set/caustic-arrow
Crafty Alfiq https://eso-sets.com/set/crafty-alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom) https://eso-sets.com/set/crushing-wall
Dagon's Dominion https://eso-sets.com/set/dagons-dominion
Darkstride https://eso-sets.com/set/darkstride
Deadly Strike https://eso-sets.com/set/deadly-strike
Draugr Hulk https://eso-sets.com/set/draugr-hulk
Duneripper's Scales https://eso-sets.com/set/dunerippers-scales
Eagle Eye https://eso-sets.com/set/eagle-eye
Elf Bane https://eso-sets.com/set/elf-bane
Endurance https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance
Eyes of Mara https://eso-sets.com/set/eyes-of-mara
Flanking Strategist https://eso-sets.com/set/flanking-strategist
Fortified Brass https://eso-sets.com/set/fortified-brass
Frostbite https://eso-sets.com/set/frostbite
Grace of the Ancients https://eso-sets.com/set/grace-of-the-ancients
Hawk's Eye https://eso-sets.com/set/hawks-eye
Hunding’s Rage https://eso-sets.com/set/hundings-rage
Impregnable Armor https://eso-sets.com/set/impregnable-armor
Innate Axiom https://eso-sets.com/set/innate-axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance https://eso-sets.com/set/jorvulds-guidance
Kvatch Gladiator https://eso-sets.com/set/kvatch-gladiator
Law of Julianos https://eso-sets.com/set/law-of-julianos
Leki's Focus https://eso-sets.com/set/lekis-focus
Leviathan https://eso-sets.com/set/leviathan
Light Speaker https://eso-sets.com/set/light-speaker
Mark of the Pariah https://eso-sets.com/set/mark-of-the-pariah
Marksman's Crest https://eso-sets.com/set/marksmans-crest
Mother’s Sorrow https://eso-sets.com/set/mothers-sorrow
Netch's Touch https://eso-sets.com/set/netchs-touch
Night Mother's Embrace https://eso-sets.com/set/night-mothers-embrace
Night Terror (3-piece) https://eso-sets.com/set/night-terror
Orgnum's Scales https://eso-sets.com/set/orgnums-scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow https://eso-sets.com/set/perfected-caustic-arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall https://eso-sets.com/set/perfected-crushing-wall
Permafrost https://eso-sets.com/set/permafrost
Plague Doctor https://eso-sets.com/set/plague-doctor
Ranger's Gait https://eso-sets.com/set/rangers-gait
Red Eagle's Fury https://eso-sets.com/set/red-eagle-s-fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Relics+of+the+Physician+Ansur+Set
Robes of Alteration Mastery https://eso-sets.com/set/robes-of-alteration-mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery https://eso-sets.com/set/robes-of-destruction-mastery
Salvation https://eso-sets.com/set/salvation
Sergeant's Mail https://eso-sets.com/set/sergeants-mail
Shacklebreaker https://eso-sets.com/set/shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain https://eso-sets.com/set/shapeshifters-chain
Shield Breaker https://eso-sets.com/set/shield-breaker
Shield of the Valiant https://eso-sets.com/set/shield-of-the-valiant
Silks of the Sun https://eso-sets.com/set/silks-of-the-sun
Spider Cultist Cowl https://eso-sets.com/set/spider-cultist-cowl
Spinner's Garments https://eso-sets.com/set/spinners-garments
Spriggan’s Thorns https://eso-sets.com/set/spriggans-thorns
Strength of the Automaton https://eso-sets.com/set/strength-of-the-automaton
Swamp Raider https://eso-sets.com/set/swamp-raider
Sword Dancer https://eso-sets.com/set/sword-dancer
Sword-Singer https://eso-sets.com/set/sword-singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces) https://eso-sets.com/set/syvarras-scales
Torug's Pact https://eso-sets.com/set/torugs-pact
Trial by Fire https://eso-sets.com/set/trial-by-fire
Twilight's Embrace https://eso-sets.com/set/twilights-embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece) https://eso-sets.com/set/vesture-of-darloc-brae
War Maiden https://eso-sets.com/set/war-maiden
Way of Air (4-piece) https://eso-sets.com/set/way-of-air
Way of the Arena https://eso-sets.com/set/way-of-the-arena
Willow's Path https://eso-sets.com/set/willows-path
Willpower https://eso-sets.com/set/willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance https://eso-sets.com/set/witch-knight-s-defiance
Wrath of the Imperium https://eso-sets.com/set/wrath-of-the-imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright https://eso-sets.com/set/ysgramors-birthright

NotTaylorSwift

DTStormfox wrote: »

Long_Distance wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip]

Can you explain the relevance of this?

Be informed that it's the birthright of every casual zergling to PvD the map in peace. Getting organized and putting effort is NOT allowed!
Also you must always must play the "objectives". That's the way the Cyrodiil is meant to be played as everybody knows and as it has been told to you man times by the Big Boss!

You'll see how much fun that will be for your ball when after 30 days, you'll get 20k gold! You'll be rich in no time :-)

[edited to remove quote]

Nice strawman. This is exactly NOT what I meant.

The relevance of my rage was simple:

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll. What is the purpose of it? Let me answer that for you: It has no purpose. It only disrupt(s) another user’s experience (Code of Conduct section 2.3). The AD ballgroup had no business in our fight - literally nothing, nada, nill, zero business. The way they played the game, is not the way it is meant to be played. The way it is meant to be played is: Play the objectives, score more points than the other Alliances and win in the campaign as an Alliance, and crown an emperor. The purpose of Cyrodiil is not: ignore the campaign Alliance' score and disrupt the normal way of playing by crossing the entire map and wiping every other player on the field. Cyrodiil is a competition between the alliances over territory control (keeps, resources and scrolls), not a competition between 'who can wipe an enemy group of players the quickest'.

Review the "#TAMRIELTOGETHER—ESO’S GROUP ACTIVITIES" page from 10/09/2020. Where the developer explicitly states how Cyrodiil is meant to be played. Surprise, it doesn't include: go to the other side of the map to wipe all enemy players while ignoring the objectives.

Getting killed in pvp is not disrupting your experience.

NotTaylorSwift

Tigor wrote: »

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 31AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master)
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom)
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Draugr Hulk
Duneripper's Scales
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Fortified Brass
Frostbite
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Law of Julianos
Leki's Focus
Leviathan
Light Speaker
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail
Shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant
Shield of the Valiant (5-piece)
Silks of the Sun
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Torug's Pact
Trial by Fire
Twilight's Embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright

Enjoy the dead pvd campaign. Elite and Fire will be the only 2 ep guilds left there.

Tigor

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 31AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master)
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom)
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Draugr Hulk
Duneripper's Scales
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Fortified Brass
Frostbite
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Law of Julianos
Leki's Focus
Leviathan
Light Speaker
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail
Shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant
Shield of the Valiant (5-piece)
Silks of the Sun
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Torug's Pact
Trial by Fire
Twilight's Embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright

Enjoy the dead pvd campaign. Elite and Fire will be the only 2 ep guilds left there.

I don't hope so

NotTaylorSwift

Tigor wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 31AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master)
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom)
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Draugr Hulk
Duneripper's Scales
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Fortified Brass
Frostbite
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Law of Julianos
Leki's Focus
Leviathan
Light Speaker
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail
Shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant
Shield of the Valiant (5-piece)
Silks of the Sun
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Torug's Pact
Trial by Fire
Twilight's Embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright

Enjoy the dead pvd campaign. Elite and Fire will be the only 2 ep guilds left there.

I don't hope so

Pretty much everyone I’ve asked or seen talking about it has said they will move.

tamanosou

DTStormfox wrote: »

Nice strawman. This is exactly NOT what I meant.

The relevance of my rage was simple:

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll. What is the purpose of it? Let me answer that for you: It has no purpose. It only disrupt(s) another user’s experience (Code of Conduct section 2.3). The AD ballgroup had no business in our fight - literally nothing, nada, nill, zero business. The way they played the game, is not the way it is meant to be played. The way it is meant to be played is: Play the objectives, score more points than the other Alliances and win in the campaign as an Alliance, and crown an emperor. The purpose of Cyrodiil is not: ignore the campaign Alliance' score and disrupt the normal way of playing by crossing the entire map and wiping every other player on the field. Cyrodiil is a competition between the alliances over territory control (keeps, resources and scrolls), not a competition between 'who can wipe an enemy group of players the quickest'.

Review the "#TAMRIELTOGETHER—ESO’S GROUP ACTIVITIES" page from 10/09/2020. Where the developer explicitly states how Cyrodiil is meant to be played. Surprise, it doesn't include: go to the other side of the map to wipe all enemy players while ignoring the objectives.

Your play isn't being disrupted because you died.

And there's nothing in the code of conduct that says players can't kill you or that killing you constitutes disruption of play. This doesn't even constitute strict or loose constructionism. There is no reasonable interpretation of the code of conduct that suggests that the way ball groups play is problematic. If you're having problems you can theory craft or work on your rotation or tactics, but approaching this as if it's somehow a violation of the rules to play the game as the game was meant just because you lost is a bit silly. You are literally arguing that your player death is against the rules.

In regards to your situation, the AD ball group in question could easily be argued to have been playing to objectives. They probably gained a lot of AP for the first set of kills as well as taking and holding the keep. They may have also been coordinating with other AD players for scrolls or other keeps. Casual AD players do tend to keep an eye on where the AD ball groups are going so they can coordinate attacks elsewhere on the map. Whether or not the latter was actually successful or even an extant strategy at the time is immaterial. Your player death just means you did not succeed in your own objective.

Sometimes when you play a game particularly if you play it poorly you do not win. That's how games work, and that's what happened to you in this situation. Your loss != disruption of play. You definitely were distracted by the ball group and your objective was interrupted, meaning a more cogent argument is that the ball group was playing to objectives by keeping you from yours.

BTW I am curious which guild it was which inspired all this delicious salt because it very clearly could have been my own. If it was my group, you're very welcome and we'll be back. XOXO

LarsS

DTStormfox wrote: »

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll.

We got the scroll but lost some in the raid on the way back. So we were quite happy that the AD group came and occupied ep until we could regroup get the scroll and bring it home

Marcus_Aurelius

DTStormfox wrote: »

I don't agree. When you ignore a ball group, they get bored and will take the fight to you. Ignoring them is a nonsolution because there is no reason to wait for the fight to come to you if you can take the fight to them.

To fight a 12 person ball group you need a lot more players, having to commit a large amount of troops to fight a small amount for a very long time it's not very good.
What you want to do is to leave a bunch of players to fight the ball group and let others got attack some keep of the ball group alliance.

The few players fighting the ball grop just need to have range attacks and invest in mobility to not get caught, the only thing they need to do is to keep the ball group constantly in combat so they can't port/ride anywhere but will have to move at a slug speed by walk.

MipMip

DTStormfox wrote: »

Review the "#TAMRIELTOGETHER—ESO’S GROUP ACTIVITIES" page from 10/09/2020. Where the developer explicitly states how Cyrodiil is meant to be played. Surprise, it doesn't include: go to the other side of the map to wipe all enemy players while ignoring the objectives.

It says there 'The Alliance War sees members of the three alliances engage in open warfare in the region of Cyrodiil, capturing towns and keeps, controlling Elder Scrolls, and rising to claim the title of Emperor.' - it does NOT say that these activities are done for the campaign score.

From a player perspective it is wonderful that many different playstyles exist in Cyrodiil, and that we are free to define our objectives. I don't understand why some few are so keen on wanting to force everyone to play only their way.

tamanosou

LarsS wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll.

We got the scroll but lost some in the raid on the way back. So we were quite happy that the AD group came and occupied ep until we could regroup get the scroll and bring it home

THEN IT WAS US!

We saw you going out the middle level of the keep when we were on the outer wall and we knew we couldn't pick up the scroll if we bombed you so we just went in and had some fun in the keep itself. Evidently we killed this other guy a few times in doing so.

Tigor

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 31AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master)
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom)
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Draugr Hulk
Duneripper's Scales
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Fortified Brass
Frostbite
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Law of Julianos
Leki's Focus
Leviathan
Light Speaker
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail
Shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant
Shield of the Valiant (5-piece)
Silks of the Sun
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Torug's Pact
Trial by Fire
Twilight's Embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright

Enjoy the dead pvd campaign. Elite and Fire will be the only 2 ep guilds left there.

I don't hope so

Pretty much everyone I’ve asked or seen talking about it has said they will move.

In what reference frame I should put you? I don't recognize your name from Cyrodiil.
I am looking forward to play against other players. It is something new and I foresee a lot of players will be stimulated also with pure pvp without procsets. Now it will be the time to play the game as it should be played, with less distractive nonsense.

LarsS

I hope the hardcore guilds stay, its after all a bigger challenge to fight outnumbered, without proc sets.

DTStormfox

Anyhows. I am done discussing this subject (ball groups etc.) on the Forums because it seems impossible to reason with some people here. Some people here are constantly placing words in my mouth, are constantly exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating arguments, are simply cherry-picking, and are constantly engaging in tu quoque (answering criticism with criticism to avoid the point). I am done with it. I believe I have provided constructive feedback and will continue to do so. I will just ignore any illogical argument from now on and only respond to constructive replies/mentions.

DTStormfox

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 31AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master)
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom)
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Draugr Hulk
Duneripper's Scales
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Fortified Brass
Frostbite
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Law of Julianos
Leki's Focus
Leviathan
Light Speaker
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail
Shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant
Shield of the Valiant (5-piece)
Silks of the Sun
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Torug's Pact
Trial by Fire
Twilight's Embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright

Enjoy the dead pvd campaign. Elite and Fire will be the only 2 ep guilds left there.

What makes you think that? The campaign was populated during the no-proc test. And considering that there are now more sets available, it is more likely highly probable people will stay in this campaign, or do you think otherwise?

TheMightyRevan

DTStormfox wrote: »

Long_Distance wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Hello ballgroups, you all know what guilds I mean.
Griefing is a violation of Code of Conduct section 2.3. Get [snip] out of the campaign and let us play the game as intended. I am [snip] sick and tired of it. I come to play the game casually and have some nice PvP. [snip]

Can you explain the relevance of this?

Be informed that it's the birthright of every casual zergling to PvD the map in peace. Getting organized and putting effort is NOT allowed!
Also you must always must play the "objectives". That's the way the Cyrodiil is meant to be played as everybody knows and as it has been told to you man times by the Big Boss!

You'll see how much fun that will be for your ball when after 30 days, you'll get 20k gold! You'll be rich in no time :-)

[edited to remove quote]

Nice strawman. This is exactly NOT what I meant.

The relevance of my rage was simple:

A DC group was taking their scroll from an EP keep. AD had lost almost everything (keeps and scrolls alike). And behold, here comes the AD ballgroup to ruin the fight between DC and EP by wiping every player in the area (DC and EP players alike). They crossed the ENTIRE map and ignored all other objectives on the way, only to kill everybody in our keep and on the DC scroll. What is the purpose of it? Let me answer that for you: It has no purpose. It only disrupt(s) another user’s experience (Code of Conduct section 2.3). The AD ballgroup had no business in our fight - literally nothing, nada, nill, zero business. The way they played the game, is not the way it is meant to be played. The way it is meant to be played is: Play the objectives, score more points than the other Alliances and win in the campaign as an Alliance, and crown an emperor. The purpose of Cyrodiil is not: ignore the campaign Alliance' score and disrupt the normal way of playing by crossing the entire map and wiping every other player on the field. Cyrodiil is a competition between the alliances over territory control (keeps, resources and scrolls), not a competition between 'who can wipe an enemy group of players the quickest'.

Review the "#TAMRIELTOGETHER—ESO’S GROUP ACTIVITIES" page from 10/09/2020. Where the developer explicitly states how Cyrodiil is meant to be played. Surprise, it doesn't include: go to the other side of the map to wipe all enemy players while ignoring the objectives.

it literally says "controlling Elder Scrolls", thats exactly what ballgroups do xD. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

vesselwiththepestle

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DTStormfox wrote: »

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What makes you think that? The campaign was populated during the no-proc test. And considering that there are now more sets available, it is more likely highly probable people will stay in this campaign, or do you think otherwise?

during the proc test and the 3 months after that there was no alternative. We had both cp and no cp campaings with no procs. Now we have a choice. Also during the test weeks we had double AP. During the months after that we had less players and there were players who left the game because of the decision to turn off proc sets for 6 months (Which then became only 3 months because of the backlash). We don't know what will happen with the campaign population, we will have to wait and see.

NotTaylorSwift

Tigor wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Lets look forward to U31 (RD 31AUG21)

The sets to use in alphabetical order:

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master)
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom)
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Draugr Hulk
Duneripper's Scales
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Fortified Brass
Frostbite
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Law of Julianos
Leki's Focus
Leviathan
Light Speaker
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow
Perfected Crushing Wall
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail
Shacklebreaker
Shapeshifter's Chain
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant
Shield of the Valiant (5-piece)
Silks of the Sun
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Torug's Pact
Trial by Fire
Twilight's Embrace
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright

Enjoy the dead pvd campaign. Elite and Fire will be the only 2 ep guilds left there.

I don't hope so

Pretty much everyone I’ve asked or seen talking about it has said they will move.

In what reference frame I should put you? I don't recognize your name from Cyrodiil.
I am looking forward to play against other players. It is something new and I foresee a lot of players will be stimulated also with pure pvp without procsets. Now it will be the time to play the game as it should be played, with less distractive nonsense.

it’s not “something new” dunno if u missed it or not but no proc was literally here for months… and in the last few it seemed most people were bored, there were no queues for cyro and populations sometimes didn’t even cap out sooooo ye

NotTaylorSwift

LarsS wrote: »

I hope the hardcore guilds stay, its after all a bigger challenge to fight outnumbered, without proc sets.

They wont

DTStormfox

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

What makes you think that? The campaign was populated during the no-proc test. And considering that there are now more sets available, it is more likely highly probable people will stay in this campaign, or do you think otherwise?

during the proc test and the 3 months after that there was no alternative. We had both cp and no cp campaings with no procs. Now we have a choice. Also during the test weeks we had double AP. During the months after that we had less players and there were players who left the game because of the decision to turn off proc sets for 6 months (Which then became only 3 months because of the backlash). We don't know what will happen with the campaign population, we will have to wait and see.

Those are indeed factors that played a role. On the other hand, the no-proc test was actually extended beyond the three weeks that were proposed planned for the test because the feedback was positive:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

We’ve heard from a lot of you that despite performance largely being the same, disabling proc sets has breathed new life into PvP gameplay and has made fights more enjoyable and fun. To that end, we’ll be leaving proc sets disabled until Update 31 launches in Q3. (Source)

After which they decided to - instead - leave them disabled until Update 30. The reason for this is rather vague because the reasons for concern were not mentioned in the post:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

We also recognize that disabling proc sets in the long term generated a lot more concern than the three-week test we initially proposed, and that this sudden change in the timeline was quite jarring.

We’ve spent a lot of time discussing our options to improve the experience in the short term. We still plan to leave proc sets disabled in Cyrodiil and will instead reduce the duration of this change until Update 30.
(Source)

But - as you point out yourself - time will tell. I have a positive view on the no-proc campaign, especially for the no-cp campaign because proc sets seem to be more impactful when CPs are disabled. I do understand that people have concerns about the limited number of sets available because they spend time farming and collecting set items and they are not able to use them in the no-proc no-cp campaign (sunk cost concern). This time, however, there are more sets available - including sets that require farming.

LarsS

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

I hope the hardcore guilds stay, its after all a bigger challenge to fight outnumbered, without proc sets.

They wont

I doubt that you can speak for all or even a majority.

If some hard core guilds leave I will be a little disappointed, I thought they liked challenges. On the other hand some like yours may only be out for easy AP.