Returning Stamsorc PVP

Morgul667

Hello,

As Im returning to TESO, id like to ask for advice on stamsorc redguard

Would really appreciate some help

I mainly play BG and no CP cyrodill

Was thinking 5 medium new accolyte moon + bloodspawn + fury

Maybe ancient dragonguard or the new bruma set instead of fury?

Im thinking to run 2h and try that new dizzying swing thing

any must have skills lately?

Could use some support

mursie

i'm running truth/new moon (nma front bar and truth double). with bloodspawn. brp dw back bar.

dizzy/executioner/foward momentum/streak/camo hunter/beserker rage (or dbos)
darkdeal/hurricane/quick cloak/rending slash/vigor/atronoch

constantly on the move. hits hard but it's a hit and run type playstyle.

biggest change i made was going nord. before that, i felt like i was melting to much on orc.

i also started using the physical resists plus stam/health pots. let's you be a bit tankier...plus beserker rage gives you nice windows to get in and stay in the fight to close a kill before streaking out.

Morgul667

Thanks

Nice detailed reply

is truth really worth it?

Anyone tried the ancient draguonguard? Or the new bruma set?

fbours

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks

Nice detailed reply

is truth really worth it?

Anyone tried the ancient draguonguard? Or the new bruma set?

I use ancient dragonguard and new moon in one of my setups, it works for my playstyle pretty well. Also a nord on my stamsorc.

Morgul667

Appreciate the answer but was hoping to get a little more

Is unfathomable darkness any good?

Anybody tried the bruma new set?

Morgul667

Any more help and ideas for a poor returning player ?:)

MurderMostFoul

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks

Nice detailed reply

is truth really worth it?

Anyone tried the ancient draguonguard? Or the new bruma set?

Ancient dragonguard is solid for stamsorc hit and run style.

Aznox

Morgul667 wrote: »

Hello,

I mainly play BG and no CP cyrodill

I'm having a lot of fun and good results with my take on the AzureBlight build.

2x Kra'gh Sellistrix
5x Azureblight Reaper
1x Maelstrom maul (Merciless Charge) - Front bar
5x Prisoner's Rags - Jewelry + Back bar

No Dizzying spam, just pure AoE madness and excellent hit-and-run ability.

Iskiab

Stamsorc is great, I don’t play one but play against them a lot.

I usually mix healing and damage as mag and what I see a lot do is shuffle/forward momentum through people and burst me down at the back of my group, then kite around a lot waiting for their burst. It’s really annoying (meaning it’s effective) and if you get the burst down it’s deadly.

I’d practice the whole dizzy - med (for stun) - onslaught into executioner burst combo. Get that down and the stamsorc speed makes it really difficult for mag to kite. That’s the playstyle that I see lots do really well with.

raasdal

5 x Way Of Fire
3 x Endurance
1 x vMSA 2H (Backbar)
2 x vBRP DW (Frontbar)
2 x Skoria
Orzorgas + Steed + 3x Swift. 7 Heavy.

Flurry spam for the win. There is alot more to it than just the sets though. But most OP thing currently in No-CP, for Stamsorc and anything else, trust me. Have not met a build that matches is 1v1 entire previous patch.

Morgul667

Thanks, is way of fire so strong ? Does not seen that strong choice compared to others

I need to check that azureblight set

raasdal

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks, is way of fire so strong ? Does not seen that strong choice compared to others

I need to check that azureblight set

Yes, WoF and RM are the two highest single target damage sets in the game for no CP if you build for it (flurry).

Azureblight is also great and has excellent synergy with Stamsorc. The key is that the proc is AoE and can stack on everyone.

MurderMostFoul

raasdal wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks, is way of fire so strong ? Does not seen that strong choice compared to others

I need to check that azureblight set

Yes, WoF and RM are the two highest single target damage sets in the game for no CP if you build for it (flurry).

Azureblight is also great and has excellent synergy with Stamsorc. The key is that the proc is AoE and can stack on everyone.

Does WoF proc off dots applied by weapons? (Rending Slashes)

Morgul667

What is RM? Red mountain?

Also sort but what do you use 2h for this build? Seems Most of the damage will be made in DW

Skoria proc with carve ?

fbours

raasdal wrote: »

5 x Way Of Fire
3 x Endurance
1 x vMSA 2H (Backbar)
2 x vBRP DW (Frontbar)
2 x Skoria
Orzorgas + Steed + 3x Swift. 7 Heavy.

Flurry spam for the win. There is alot more to it than just the sets though. But most OP thing currently in No-CP, for Stamsorc and anything else, trust me. Have not met a build that matches is 1v1 entire previous patch.

Very interesting builg

raasdal

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks, is way of fire so strong ? Does not seen that strong choice compared to others

I need to check that azureblight set

Yes, WoF and RM are the two highest single target damage sets in the game for no CP if you build for it (flurry).

Azureblight is also great and has excellent synergy with Stamsorc. The key is that the proc is AoE and can stack on everyone.

Does WoF proc off dots applied by weapons? (Rending Slashes)

Yup. Also Ground AoE’s (Stampede for example). Also Light Attacks.

Morgul667 wrote: »

What is RM? Red mountain?

Also sort but what do you use 2h for this build? Seems Most of the damage will be made in DW

Skoria proc with carve ?

2H is for Stampede and vMSA. The build is about gapclosing with vMSA and immedaitely stun them in the ground aoe. The vMSA damage output is great and when backbarring it, the enchant will keep proccing (it’s infused). When i fight, 30% of my damage is from Stampede+vMSA+Enchant. Then flurry spam for WoF+Skoria burst.

Morgul667

Understand thanks
I thought you meant master 2h but i get it now

Quite interesting

Tolino

Iskiab wrote: »

Stamsorc is great, I don’t play one but play against them a lot.

I usually mix healing and damage as mag and what I see a lot do is shuffle/forward momentum through people and burst me down at the back of my group, then kite around a lot waiting for their burst. It’s really annoying (meaning it’s effective) and if you get the burst down it’s deadly.

I’d practice the whole dizzy - med (for stun) - onslaught into executioner burst combo. Get that down and the stamsorc speed makes it really difficult for mag to kite. That’s the playstyle that I see lots do really well with.

Stamsorc is great? Good joke!
Stamsorc is only good at running away from a fight.

Stamsorc is the only class whitout a additional defense. Stamsorc doasn't have any debuffs.
The only thing they have offensiv is great dmg-Passives. But they can't compensate the lack of a good burstcombo.

There are currently 2 ways to play Stamsorc! Either you stack your weapon damage as high as possible and hope that the dizzy Onslought Combo is enough or you play Proc-sets.

Aznox

Morgul667 wrote: »

I need to check that azureblight set

Here's a showcase of the build i've been refining over the past few weeks :

Iskiab

Tolino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Stamsorc is great, I don’t play one but play against them a lot.

I usually mix healing and damage as mag and what I see a lot do is shuffle/forward momentum through people and burst me down at the back of my group, then kite around a lot waiting for their burst. It’s really annoying (meaning it’s effective) and if you get the burst down it’s deadly.

I’d practice the whole dizzy - med (for stun) - onslaught into executioner burst combo. Get that down and the stamsorc speed makes it really difficult for mag to kite. That’s the playstyle that I see lots do really well with.

Stamsorc is great? Good joke!
Stamsorc is only good at running away from a fight.

Stamsorc is the only class whitout a additional defense. Stamsorc doasn't have any debuffs.
The only thing they have offensiv is great dmg-Passives. But they can't compensate the lack of a good burstcombo.

There are currently 2 ways to play Stamsorc! Either you stack your weapon damage as high as possible and hope that the dizzy Onslought Combo is enough or you play Proc-sets.

A lot of the best BG players on PC-NA are stamsorcs.

fbours

Aznox wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I need to check that azureblight set

Here's a showcase of the build i've been refining over the past few weeks :

That build looks awfully familiar.. hm

GRXRG

Iskiab wrote: »

Tolino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Stamsorc is great, I don’t play one but play against them a lot.

I usually mix healing and damage as mag and what I see a lot do is shuffle/forward momentum through people and burst me down at the back of my group, then kite around a lot waiting for their burst. It’s really annoying (meaning it’s effective) and if you get the burst down it’s deadly.

I’d practice the whole dizzy - med (for stun) - onslaught into executioner burst combo. Get that down and the stamsorc speed makes it really difficult for mag to kite. That’s the playstyle that I see lots do really well with.

Stamsorc is great? Good joke!
Stamsorc is only good at running away from a fight.

Stamsorc is the only class whitout a additional defense. Stamsorc doasn't have any debuffs.
The only thing they have offensiv is great dmg-Passives. But they can't compensate the lack of a good burstcombo.

There are currently 2 ways to play Stamsorc! Either you stack your weapon damage as high as possible and hope that the dizzy Onslought Combo is enough or you play Proc-sets.

A lot of the best BG players on PC-NA are stamsorcs.

And what they run?
I have tried anything really, new moon fury, new moon spriggan, pariah new moon and i get melted in few seconds anyway even keeping my buffs and heals up all the time, while i see stamcros holding people 4vs1 in bgs, so in no-cp and even having the burst to get you down

Iskiab

GRXRG wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Tolino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Stamsorc is great, I don’t play one but play against them a lot.

I usually mix healing and damage as mag and what I see a lot do is shuffle/forward momentum through people and burst me down at the back of my group, then kite around a lot waiting for their burst. It’s really annoying (meaning it’s effective) and if you get the burst down it’s deadly.

I’d practice the whole dizzy - med (for stun) - onslaught into executioner burst combo. Get that down and the stamsorc speed makes it really difficult for mag to kite. That’s the playstyle that I see lots do really well with.

Stamsorc is great? Good joke!
Stamsorc is only good at running away from a fight.

Stamsorc is the only class whitout a additional defense. Stamsorc doasn't have any debuffs.
The only thing they have offensiv is great dmg-Passives. But they can't compensate the lack of a good burstcombo.

There are currently 2 ways to play Stamsorc! Either you stack your weapon damage as high as possible and hope that the dizzy Onslought Combo is enough or you play Proc-sets.

A lot of the best BG players on PC-NA are stamsorcs.

And what they run?
I have tried anything really, new moon fury, new moon spriggan, pariah new moon and i get melted in few seconds anyway even keeping my buffs and heals up all the time, while i see stamcros holding people 4vs1 in bgs, so in no-cp and even having the burst to get you down

I don’t know. I’ve been trying to figure it out, they’re experienced players but they make it work.

All I’ve figured out that seems to be common about their builds is steed, the form with minor expedition, either forward momentum or shuffle, and streak.

They’ll be able to kite around and have the burst combo down pat. They’re hard to pin down and have really good burst. I think I saw one switch to a DK recently, but they consistently perform really well.

Thraben

To be honest, a Warden is a better Azureblight Reaper than a StamSorc is, they only don't do it because they can kill stuff without procset or without their ulti.

Any ideas how to actually kill stuff without Ulti/ procs? Like a StamNecro, a StamWarden, or a Stemplar can?

Aznox

Thraben wrote: »

To be honest, a Warden is a better Azureblight Reaper than a StamSorc is

Curious to know why you think that, i wouldn't trade hurricane and negate for gripping shards and permafrost in the context of this build.

Any ideas how to actually kill stuff without Ulti/ procs? Like a StamNecro, a StamWarden, or a Stemplar can?

Damage Procs are a part of the no-CP meta as much as anything else.
As for ultimates, in a serious BG, not many kills happen without one being involved (or the snowball effect following the first kill(s) )

Tolino

Aznox wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

To be honest, a Warden is a better Azureblight Reaper than a StamSorc is

Curious to know why you think that, i wouldn't trade hurricane and negate for gripping shards and permafrost in the context of this build.

I'dont think he talks about gripping shards.
Growing Swarm is also an AOE-DoT, which also gives you access to minor Vulnarbility. Stamden has also access to AOE-Major Fracture whit shalks.
+Permafrost would be also great, because it didn't just have an effect on Magicka. The biggest problem with a Azurblight Stamden is the bar space.

Aznox

Tolino wrote: »

Growing Swarm is also an AOE-DoT, which also gives you access to minor Vulnarbility. Stamden has also access to AOE-Major Fracture whit shalks.
+Permafrost would be also great, because it didn't just have an effect on Magicka. The biggest problem with a Azurblight Stamden is the bar space.

Growing swarm is only 1 tick every 2 seconds.
True, Shalks is a good AoE skill, but you could argue Caltrops can also brings Major Fracture and 1 more tick /sec
Permafrost is 1 tick / sec vs Negate's 2 ticks/sec

Maybe in a premade environnement, with guaranteed healer to help you stand your ground, Stamden would be a better AzureBlight carrier, but in the current Solo-queue context, i wouldn't dismiss Stamsorc as the best candidate

Thraben

Aznox wrote: »

Maybe in a premade environnement, with guaranteed healer to help you stand your ground, Stamden would be a better AzureBlight carrier, but in the current Solo-queue context, i wouldn't dismiss Stamsorc as the best candidate

You should really play a Stamden more often. Healer for a Stamden? A Stamden IS the healer .


Let´s just talk about ground based AoE- Dots (as they are the only ones which are really reliable):

Hurricane + Surge is roughly on par with Arctic Blast, which also stuns. All the other skills are the same, with the exception of Negate versus Permafrost.

There is an easy workaround, just throw Orbs instead - people won´t run away from your orbs, but they damn sure will be alarmed if you throw Negates at them, reducing your chance to reach the 20 ticks.

Luckily, the Warden groups haven´t found out yet, as this approach also synergizes well with synergy bombing. But the cat is out of the bag now, I guess


That being said, Tolino is right, if you do it on your Stamden you get bar space problems as you have other useful class skills, whereas a StamSorc doesn´t have the "problem" of abundant class skills.


However, the question was not "How to cheese with Azurblight Reaper?", but WHAT are the alternatives?

Aznox

Thraben wrote: »

You should really play a Stamden more often. Healer for a Stamden? A Stamden IS the healer .

That's true. (i try to stick to one character to limit my playtime)

There is an easy workaround, just throw Orbs instead - people won´t run away from your orbs, but they damn sure will be alarmed if you throw Negates at them, reducing your chance to reach the 20 ticks.

I do use Orbs on my StamSorc (as can be seen in the video above), and i feel the added negate can really make the difference by preventing a defensive ultimate from going off or bringing targets who jump in late to 20 stacks.

That being said, Tolino is right, if you do it on your Stamden you get bar space problems as you have other useful class skills, whereas a StamSorc doesn´t have the "problem" of abundant class skills.

That's an important thing to keep in mind : even if you have 50 great class skills, what matters is the best 2bars you can get, and some of those 12 skills are going to be non-class skills.

However, the question was not "How to cheese with Azurblight Reaper?", but WHAT are the alternatives?

True, but i've talked enough, i'll let others bring their wisdom to this thread

Neoauspex

Aznox wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Hello,

I mainly play BG and no CP cyrodill

I'm having a lot of fun and good results with my take on the AzureBlight build.

2x Kra'gh Sellistrix
5x Azureblight Reaper
1x Maelstrom maul (Merciless Charge) - Front bar
5x Prisoner's Rags - Jewelry + Back bar

No Dizzying spam, just pure AoE madness and excellent hit-and-run ability.

This is what I've been running, except in Cyro and with Vicious Death. Duel wield for spin to win. Tough to win a 1v1, but great at zergbusting and a ridiculous amount of fun in big fights.

StaticWave

Morgul667 wrote: »

Hello,

As Im returning to TESO, id like to ask for advice on stamsorc redguard

Would really appreciate some help

I mainly play BG and no CP cyrodill

Was thinking 5 medium new accolyte moon + bloodspawn + fury

Maybe ancient dragonguard or the new bruma set instead of fury?

Im thinking to run 2h and try that new dizzying swing thing

any must have skills lately?

Could use some support

Run the fury new moon setup you said in your post and add 2 reduced cost glyphs for no CP