Healers ruining cyrodil at an alarming rate

Fawn4287

The number of healers in PvP is alarming and is a good indicator as to the state of the game, even 2 mans run around with a dedicated healer now and it is absolutely painful, watching the least skillful players see that they were 1vX victims on a dps build but now 2+2+vX on a healer. off healing is just ridiculous and coupled with a sword and board makes most healbots near unkillable with anything other than a group ultidump. Off healing in PVP needs a straight 50% reduction minimum, a reduction in tankyness to heal output and the AP rewarded for healing needs a significant reduction in order to drive some skill back in to the cyrodil and make people have to actually heal themselves again.

WillhelmBlack

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just PvP in non CP.

Jaxaxo

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

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just PvP in non CP.

But cp is full of procs

Royaji

Jaxaxo wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

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just PvP in non CP.

But cp is full of procs

And CP is full of healers. Pick your poison.

Juhasow

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

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just PvP in non CP.

Same issue in both types.

Fawn4287

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

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just PvP in non CP.

I find non cp has other problems that aren’t as prominent in cp, Dots especially on a DK insanely overperform, proc sets (damage and healing), poisons just to name a few are really problematic and overtuned.

ChunkyCat

how dare they refuse to let you beat them. damn those pesky healers. if not for them, we would clearly see the magnitude of your pixelated prowess.

Iskiab

Healers are moreso for against 2+ people’s damage against one person. 1v1 is usually a stalemate in CP unless someone’s being outplayed or in a build that’s glassy and designed to take people out 1v1.

I wouldn’t run a healer in a group of less then 4. Usually when people have real problems with them it’s because they aren’t doing a proper burst combo or are trying to kill players without isolating them first from the pack.

Skorro

Here I thought it was lag and disconnects .... Bloody healers! *Shakes fists*

Also, no CP is

Kadoin

And when ZOS nerfs healing and you die instantly to those same players because the healing changes affect them less than you and your "pro" build, then what will you complain about next?

Damage of all the skills you don't use, or will you realize that all that damage reduction you built into your build comes with a cost that you can't see yet because healing and sustain in certain cases people keep quiet about are both overtuned?

Can't wait for the show next patch; I have a feeling I won't be invited but I still will enjoy it

Fawn4287

Kadoin wrote: »

And when ZOS nerfs healing and you die instantly to those same players because the healing changes affect them less than you and your "pro" build, then what will you complain about next?

Damage of all the skills you don't use, or will you realize that all that damage reduction you built into your build comes with a cost that you can't see yet because healing and sustain in certain cases people keep quiet about are both overtuned?

Can't wait for the show next patch; I have a feeling I won't be invited but I still will enjoy it

Someone clearly has no understanding of what off healing is, self healing should be strong, off healing from a half tank spamming springs shouldn’t be

Fawn4287

ChunkyCat wrote: »

how dare they refuse to let you beat them. damn those pesky healers. if not for them, we would clearly see the magnitude of your pixelated prowess.

No the current cyrodil playstyle of who stacks the most healers and who has the best hardware to avoid the lagout wins is clearly more fun and rewards skill skill over mindless stacking and heal spamming

Kadoin

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

And when ZOS nerfs healing and you die instantly to those same players because the healing changes affect them less than you and your "pro" build, then what will you complain about next?

Damage of all the skills you don't use, or will you realize that all that damage reduction you built into your build comes with a cost that you can't see yet because healing and sustain in certain cases people keep quiet about are both overtuned?

Can't wait for the show next patch; I have a feeling I won't be invited but I still will enjoy it

Someone clearly has no understanding of what off healing is, self healing should be strong, off healing from a half tank spamming springs shouldn’t be

Complaining about healing springs in 2020 and you question my understanding...? Ok.

Fawn4287

Kadoin wrote: »

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

And when ZOS nerfs healing and you die instantly to those same players because the healing changes affect them less than you and your "pro" build, then what will you complain about next?

Damage of all the skills you don't use, or will you realize that all that damage reduction you built into your build comes with a cost that you can't see yet because healing and sustain in certain cases people keep quiet about are both overtuned?

Can't wait for the show next patch; I have a feeling I won't be invited but I still will enjoy it

Someone clearly has no understanding of what off healing is, self healing should be strong, off healing from a half tank spamming springs shouldn’t be

Complaining about healing springs in 2020 and you question my understanding...? Ok.

My point being even the most below average skilled healer with a decent youtube cut and paste build is doing exponentially more than an equally skilled dps build

Mr_Walker

Fawn4287 wrote: »

The number of healers in PvP is alarming and is a good indicator as to the state of the game, even 2 mans run around with a dedicated healer now and it is absolutely painful, watching the least skillful players see that they were 1vX victims on a dps build but now 2+2+vX on a healer. off healing is just ridiculous and coupled with a sword and board makes most healbots near unkillable with anything other than a group ultidump. Off healing in PVP needs a straight 50% reduction minimum, a reduction in tankyness to heal output and the AP rewarded for healing needs a significant reduction in order to drive some skill back in to the cyrodil and make people have to actually heal themselves again.

Gotta be honest, it is starting to get ridiculous on xbox na. Seems every organised group is 20+ people, with min 10 healers.

Mr_Walker

Iskiab wrote: »

Healers are moreso for against 2+ people’s damage against one person. 1v1 is usually a stalemate in CP unless someone’s being outplayed or in a build that’s glassy and designed to take people out 1v1.

Or a dedicated group build.

Emmagoldman

Fawn4287 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

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just PvP in non CP.

I find non cp has other problems that aren’t as prominent in cp, Dots especially on a DK insanely overperform, proc sets (damage and healing), poisons just to name a few are really problematic and overtuned.

I'd argue that they are viable but not overturned.

Fawn4287

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Fawn4287 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

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just PvP in non CP.

I find non cp has other problems that aren’t as prominent in cp, Dots especially on a DK insanely overperform, proc sets (damage and healing), poisons just to name a few are really problematic and overtuned.

I'd argue that they are viable but not overturned.

I think another problem with non cp is some builds are far more well rounded and complete than others, magsorc and stamwarden feel much more like they have it all whilst other builds like a nblade and necros feel like they are lacking in st least one department weather it be healing, survivability or mobility

idk

1. The least skillful players have never 1vX successfully. While 1vX is by no means a sign the attacker is actually skilled they do have to be more skilled than those they are attacking so they cannot be the least skillful player.

Organize your small group better. Use defile. Get a healer which is pretty smart solution and better than complaining.. I have been in some epic battles with small team vs small team that lasted a bit because both groups were good well organized with healers. Those battles did eventually end with one group victorious but it took a lot of team effort and coordination.

Starpulsechic

Fawn4287 wrote: »

The number of healers in PvP is alarming and is a good indicator as to the state of the game, even 2 mans run around with a dedicated healer now and it is absolutely painful,

haha oh gosh, I'm glad to be one of many whom are contributing to your absolutely painful gaming experience. hahah

Radiance

Why don't we just remove the healer role from the game entirely amiright!?!

[Remove for baiting]

Spartabunny08

They nerfed DOTS this patch. Last patch this wasn't a problem. Next update they're already changing it. This is not set in stone and for this patch they didn't adjust the healing with the DOT nerf so yes healing is OP for now, it is going to change. Calm down yes this patch has sucked so bad, I certainly agree but thank the divines it is not staying this way. I assure you just wait till this summer and see how the combat team does. From what I see the new head guy is getting the numbers based upon many variables to get eso hopefully into a fun and fair place for all. It is gonna take some time and they're also renovating the entire game to make it again hopefully better. In summary, this is temporary it'll be ok.

karekiz

I propose we buffed Dot damage to count the hots.

Fawn4287

Radiance wrote: »

Why don't we just remove the healer role from the game entirely amiright!?!

[Remove for baiting]

Yea remove utility builds from PVP entirely, the problem with the campaigns being resource based is that if no one dies no resources get flipped, on xbox NA in the main campaign the usual emperors zergs are half healers with one using practiced incantation at all times, leaving meatbag siege and half a dozen ulti dumps the only real possible way to kill them. So nerf healers and significantly reduce group size and make non large group play viable again

Fawn4287

karekiz wrote: »

I propose we buffed Dot damage to count the hots.

Burst heals far outperform HOTs, especially when off healing

frozywozy

I believe there are two main reasons why people run block tanks with heals.

1) When you put yourself in a bad situation largely outnumbered, roots and snares are so intense that even with a 2-4seconds immunity period, it is still extremely hard nowadays to create some distance between you and the players and be able to kite successfully unless you are a nightblade with cloak or a magsorc with alot of sustain to teleport away.

2) The skill level of players in the game is pretty casual. Mostly because of the eternal cycle of new players coming in to try out the game in PvP for the first time, and most of them realizing how bad performances are and leaving before they can get better, leaving the rest of the veteran players who have sticked around for years. As a result, new players will die repeatidly to veteran players and when they fail to realize what they did wrong, they will simply build tankier and hold block to turtle the fight.

What can be done to improve?

1) Fix issues that promote new players to leave the game right away because of bugs and bad performances
2) New players have to put more efforts into theorycrafting and builds research (lot of useful info out there)
3) ZOS needs to address block casting in battle spirit and the CPs system in 2020

Destyran

Remember when your fighting a group focus the healer? They will focus you for focusing but group healers tend to be squishy if you see a group that all has 45k+ health just leave them if you are by yourself I play Xbox NA and find most group healers will die when focused even when I’m alone and then the others get real squishy and panic while you kill them. Ball groups and healing and stuff that’s because they min max the group not the players

Cazzaxal

Where on this doll did the heals touch you? @Fawn4287

Fawn4287

Cazzaxal wrote: »

Where on this doll did the heals touch you? @Fawn4287

The 50 templar circles and no one dying causing my game to crash and boot me out of cyro

edges_endgame

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Cazzaxal wrote: »

Where on this doll did the heals touch you? @Fawn4287

The 50 templar circles and no one dying causing my game to crash and boot me out of cyro

Well... Your game died... So your statement is false.

mague

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Someone clearly has no understanding of what off healing is, self healing should be strong, off healing from a half tank spamming springs shouldn’t be

Still wrong. I play off healing and i even want cleans on allies. I dont get it why this isnt the same as Vigor. At least give it a synergy like the Templer has.

But i am not a tank build and i die fast.

When did you last time see a organised group running through a well oiled gate/breach ? It is almost impossible to do that without off heals.

And spamming springs as half tank is not a healer. There has to be enough sustain for Shield and Flare and some spike heal to catch utls.

Nothing in PvP is about class and meta. it is about what certain people make out of it. Like its not bad to be a invincible tank. ts just bad to annoy the sh*t out of people by running 20 mins stairs up and down for no reason then to be a memeboi.