Anyone else's toons connected to lore characters?

Aigym_Hlervu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I have one Dres, her name is Ember Dres, but my other characters are names I created outside ES lore.

Is she really a House Dres retainer or it is just a name she was given and thinks she's a part of the Great House?

Sheezabeast

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I have one Dres, her name is Ember Dres, but my other characters are names I created outside ES lore.

Is she really a House Dres retainer or it is just a name she was given and thinks she's a part of the Great House?

I rp her as being of Dres lineage. She has left House life to live a life with her partner who rescued her from her situation. Also both of your statements mean the same thing, she knows she is House Dres, born from Dres lineage, and the name was given at her birth and knows her heritage. Do you know how condescending you sound, by the way?

Aigym_Hlervu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I have one Dres, her name is Ember Dres, but my other characters are names I created outside ES lore.

Is she really a House Dres retainer or it is just a name she was given and thinks she's a part of the Great House?

I rp her as being of Dres lineage. She has left House life to live a life with her partner who rescued her from her situation. Also both of your statements mean the same thing, she knows she is House Dres, born from Dres lineage, and the name was given at her birth and knows her heritage. Do you know how condescending you sound, by the way?

No, man, this was nothing about any kind of superiority. Knowing that some players differ their characters' actions, ethics, appearance, etc. from their own and realizing you're one of them, I asked a question about your character, not about you, intentionally. I did it specially not to offend you personally. So no condescending sounds here - you've just read it that way. I only meant I was interested if she had completed a certain quest to become an affiliate of House Dres or not. Now I see she hadn't and it's not just her name but more of the matter of her farfetched autobiography.

There is a certain quest in Kragenmoor, after Ember completes it she will be named a Hand of Dres by the House Grandmaster himself. That quest completion will make her a personal friend of the Grandmaster and his House alike and a House's reputable person to run special errands. She won't need to invent and tell people fables of her lineage, heritage and etc. anymore - she will become a certain respected affiliate of the Great House. Just like me, so we could become associates of the same Great House. Achievement system and the option to link achievements in the chat window helps to prove it to anyone who would query Ember's possible statements of her House Dres affiliation, so she will not be treated as a liar if anyone calls her that way for that. I hope you'll find this information helpful to your character's development.

Sheezabeast

How does completing a quest OOC validate her backstory in the slightest? Her autobiography is somehow far fetched because me as the author and creator chose to bring to life a character that out of all the Dunmer Houses, was designated as House Dres? That....that’s called normal, that’s no different than picking her to be any other race or name. There are few times where the OOC circumstances change IC decisions. Calling my character far fetched because she was born a Dres and didn’t complete some quest is absurd and condescending.

InaMoonlight

Nop, I'm usually just me.

Vinterskald

Seems like a lot happened in this thread, but I shall just ignore that for now and refer back to OP's question - I always give my characters somewhat extensive backstories that are tied, in some way or another, to characters already in the lore, but not always directly. My necro healer's surname is Drinith, since he grew up in Kogoruhn as a member of House Dagoth, and Drinith is the name of the ancestor tomb there. One of my magblades has the surname Velador, due to being related to Dranos Velador, who you meet in Cradle of Shadows. A bunch of my characters have some relation to House Ravenwatch, but it's usually not reflected in their names. But other than that, all of my characters are somehow interrelated, even outside of the games I played them in (my DK tank is an ancestor of my Nerevarine, my main sorc healer's magical creation aids my champion of Cyrodiil, all my Dark Brotherhood characters throughout the games are somehow related, etc), so that I can weave their stories together with those of in-game characters very easily

Aigym_Hlervu

I'm not talking about her backstory you created for her, @Sheezabeast. Ember was spawned in Coldharbour or on the ship on the way to Morrowind with no backstories to choose from in the game unlike the way those Mount&Blade games or anything of that kind gave us the option to do. To make her affiliated with a certain faction you have to meet different requirements, regarding House Dres - to complete a quest. It is the only way possible to do it the game provides. I've done it, your character hasn't done it.

So I make a conclusion she's not a Dres affiliate in spite of anything you say about her backstory. I thought she would go and do that quest instead of you argueing with me, but I see I was wrong. Ok, it's your choice. I'm Cygemai Hlervu, but I have no connections to that Hlervu family of Vvardenfell. It's just a coincidence based on the certain reason. It's silly to try to make somebody believe all the opposite. Of course you may call yourself author and tell me she is Dres, but I think you understand how does that sound to me. Thus being a Hand of Dres I do not consider Ember to be affiliated with us, she has never been Dres in spite of the name she bears.

Watchdog

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

I'm not talking about her backstory you created for her, @Sheezabeast. Ember was spawned in Coldharbour or on the ship on the way to Morrowind with no backstories to choose from in the game unlike the way those Mount&Blade games or anything of that kind gave us the option to do. To make her affiliated with a certain faction you have to meet different requirements, regarding House Dres - to complete a quest. It is the only way possible to do it the game provides. I've done it, your character hasn't done it.

So I make a conclusion she's not a Dres affiliate in spite of anything you say about her backstory. I thought she would go and do that quest instead of you argueing with me, but I see I was wrong. Ok, it's your choice. I'm Cygemai Hlervu, but I have no connections to that Hlervu family of Vvardenfell. It's just a coincidence based on the certain reason. It's silly to try to make somebody believe all the opposite. Of course you may call yourself author and tell me she is Dres, but I think you understand how does that sound to me. Thus being a Hand of Dres I do not consider Ember to be affiliated with us, she has never been Dres in spite of the name she bears.

*sighs*

I cannot shake off the feeling that you think you are the only one doing it completely right and the whole of the roleplaying community has been doing it completely wrong for decades (while having tons of fun and creating awesome pieces of writing and artwork along the way, mind you).

*sighs again*

Here we go again.

I do know other people who are totally unable to comprehend the concept of roleplaying, and I do know there is nothing that can be done to allow their brains to wrap around the idea that some people can actually create stories outside the confines of the one presented by the game, despite the fact that the same happens with any literature in the fiction genres - the authors create stories outside the confines of the real world and of their own real life stories.

Aigym_Hlervu

Hey, @Watchdog. We all are playing the same RPG - a role-playing game. If those guys are role-players, then who am I if I don't create backstories but just pick up a role the game provides and play it? I don't say those players are wrong. For example someone says he's an Ordinator. It's good to know it someone else has joined the Order, to know our numbers become greater, so I become interested in his armor, his way of playing, some details, etc. But then it turns out that the man just "created a backstory", he just made his character an Ordinator in his mind, while I had to spend really much time on various in-game activities like quests, picking up the right armor, weaponry, certain actions, etc. to become the one and to make it lore-wise using the game mechanics the game provides. Moreover, the man says he is a "roleplayer". What do you suppose I have to think about such a "roleplayer"? That's it.. So it is me who sighs everytime I meet such an "author" who says he is another Lord of the Rings, whatever, but actually he is not. I've met such people IRL, there's even a special word for the likes of them, but it's rude and intranslatable.

Ilsabet

The people who are our characters didn't simply spring into existence as fully-formed adults in the prison in Coldharbour or on the ship to Morrowind. They were somewhere, doing something, before they were sacrificed or got that letter encouraging them to visit Vvardenfell. The Prophet acknowledges that when he refers to the Vestige's "former self" in the Wailing Prison. Determining what that old life consisted of - the character's backstory - is an essential part of any roleplaying endeavor: What was this person's life before they became an adventurer, before the beginning of the story we see?

Understanding a character's life experiences can help shape their personality and inform how they react to situations and make decisions. This is important for roleplayers who consider their characters to be entities separate from themselves who act in a way that makes sense for the characters (rather than being simply avatars of the player). A character who was orphaned on the streets of Sentinel and had to steal to survive might be more comfortable with thievery than a character who was raised to be a paladin of Stendarr, for example.

The fact that ESO doesn't force players to lock in preset options like Mount & Blade means that players have complete freedom to create their characters' backstories and be as detailed as they want. While it's true that some approaches are less lore-friendly than others (my Vestige probably isn't going to be an interdimensional space pirate ninja robot from Chicago), in many cases there's nothing in the game that directly conflicts with a given character concept or backstory. Which means that a backstory can be plausible within the game world, because there's nothing saying that it didn't happen that way.

It's simply a different approach. While one person may choose to only include characterization elements that are directly validated by in-game content, others may choose not to be limited to only what the game explicitly offers us. Maybe nobody's going to come out and say that Ember Dres is a member of House Dres from birth, but nobody's going to tell you that she isn't either. Players have that freedom because the game doesn't dictate what happened to your character before the beginning of the in-game story.

Also, since you seem to think that the amount of time spent on in-game pursuits to support a character concept is a measure of the validity of the concept, I can tell you that a person can spend just as much time creating, refining, writing, drawing, and interacting with an original creative backstory, and probably have even more fun doing it.

Aigym_Hlervu

Hello, @Ilsabet! Will you belive me if I tell you a story about Cygemai Hlervu before he was sacrificed to Molag Bal by that Altmeri scum? A story of him being one of the Daedric Princes who was banished into a mortal body of one of the Hlervu family of Vvardenfell, a story that all his actions before and after the sacrifice are just a part of a Daedric plan to reclaim his Daedric essence and his Daedric realm. I could tell you more details, but lets stop it here for now. Will you believe that story?

Sheezabeast

There is a fundamental difference that you're just not seeing or understanding. You roleplay in ESO in a way that is different than how I play. My main, Svanhilde, has been with me in every game since Oblivion, I'm able to continue her story across different games, the stories are unrelated happenings, like a book in a series, is how I see her in other games. I did not birth her from the the construct of ESO. You very closely follow what you feel convicted to do, and that is to roleplay in such a tight-fisted, narrow minded way that forces you to alter your creativity around things like quests. When I'm questing, I'm playing as me. When I'm rping, I'm playing on Svan. Or in this case, my Dunmer Ember. Your way of doing things does NOT entitle you to discredit other people's creative efforts. You're entitled to your opinion, and based on how you've been looking down your nose and right-fighting this entire conversation, you're quite unaware of how your public display of distaste for something different than what you do, makes people feel attacked and judged by you. Which is what you're doing, whether you see it or not.

CassandraGemini

I never thought a topic like this could spark so much controversy and the way this thread turned out to be is pretty much the last thing I expected when I clicked it. Still, I feel like I want to share my thoughts on the matter as well, so here goes.

Not all of my characters are somehow related or connected to specific characters/families from the lore, but they all have names that are true to the lore of their respective races. I do have a Dunmer that is part of the Varano family, but that's the most specific one. I don't "roleplay" with other people in game, but I do have a backstory and a headcanon for all of my characters. All of those are very different, and each of them behaves accordingly. For example my Breton MagSorc Vyctorya is very loyal to the Daggerfall Covenant and her High King and so, obviously, she has never done any quests for any of the other alliances.
My first character ever, on the other hand, a Bosmer Nightblade called Cirithiel, couldn't care less about her being a part of the Aldmeri Dominion. She is, first and foremost, a part of the Dark Brotherhood, and cares mostly about them. They're her family and this is where her loyalty lies. Of course this means that she kills people for a living. She's also not opposed to stealing, if the opportunity presents itself. Just like every "first" character in pretty much any game I ever play will always be a rogue/thief/assassin type. This is what I enjoy playing and roleplaying the most, especially because it is so very different from what I am (and want to be) in real life. It's a way of life I will never explore in reality, and I don't have any dark desire to do so that I just suppress - I am absolutely happy abiding by the law. And yet I just love to sneak up on unsuspecting citizens and murder them in cold blood in a game because my contract tells me to. It's nothing personal, but the word of the Night Mother needs to be acted upon, that's just how it is.

For Cirithiel at least, not for me (well, duh, but given what I've read here, I felt like pointing it out just to be sure). Also not for any of my other characters as of now, even though the Khajiit Necromancer that I have planned might go down that road as well, you never know. Sometimes they have a mind of their own. And for me that's half the fun in a "roleplaying game", to just go with the flow and listen to what my characters tell me about themselves. Most of the time their stories just evolve all by themselves, and before I even really think about it, all kinds of things come into my head: Where they've grown up, what their parents were like, whether they have siblings or not, if they get along with their families, if they have significant others or children, what they do or have done for a living, whether they're commoners or of royal blood, what they like to eat, what their hobbies are, what they despise and so on and so on. One of the first things I have read in this forum was a thread about the backstories people invent for their characters - a writing excercise. I saw your awesome post there @Ilsabet and decided to participate myself, in part because of it, and I share your feelings about how much fun it is to come up with this stuff and expand on it. These things are a big reason why I can even get into RPGs the way I do, because they allow me to explore things I never can (or, in some cases, don't want to) in real life.

So... yeah, long post that only pertained in a small part to the original question but, as I said, I felt like elaborating

Aigym_Hlervu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There is a fundamental difference that you're just not seeing or understanding. You roleplay in ESO in a way that is different than how I play. My main, Svanhilde, has been with me in every game since Oblivion, I'm able to continue her story across different games, the stories are unrelated happenings, like a book in a series, is how I see her in other games. I did not birth her from the the construct of ESO. You very closely follow what you feel convicted to do, and that is to roleplay in such a tight-fisted, narrow minded way that forces you to alter your creativity around things like quests. When I'm questing, I'm playing as me. When I'm rping, I'm playing on Svan. Or in this case, my Dunmer Ember. Your way of doing things does NOT entitle you to discredit other people's creative efforts. You're entitled to your opinion, and based on how you've been looking down your nose and right-fighting this entire conversation, you're quite unaware of how your public display of distaste for something different than what you do, makes people feel attacked and judged by you. Which is what you're doing, whether you see it or not.

Your creative efforts do NOT entitle you to discredit other people's in-game achievements. Moreover I sticked to your character having said nothing rude to you personally. I've even tried to help, but you've shown your "gratitude". Thank you much. Since you allow yourself to chin me personally, I warn you: the more impolite you are to me, the more aggressive and rude I am to you. I've only said that your Ember was not a House Dres affiliate. She might be in your mind, but she's not in the game. I've also given you a tip on how to make her a Dres member not only in your headcanon. Now look what have you written to me up there in response.. I will not retaliate this time in order to cease the conflict. But try it again and I'll pour a brown organic substance upon you with pleasure, the way you do it yourself to me.

A thousand times I have said it: I'm not speaking of your backstories. I'm not interested in any stories you create in your minds. I can create many of them myself. I'm speaking of the roleplaying in-game activity only. If I want to read some fiction, I'll read the Ilsabet's headcanon thread with great pleasure. I like it much, I have to admit. You're like pocket crusaders or a Hydra who had many heads but still it was a single creature (it's much like you - many speaking heads support a single intolerant approach) - can't you just stop or is it such a very great necessity you feel to convince me your fiction making means anything to the actual in-game roleplaying?

VaranisArano

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There is a fundamental difference that you're just not seeing or understanding. You roleplay in ESO in a way that is different than how I play. My main, Svanhilde, has been with me in every game since Oblivion, I'm able to continue her story across different games, the stories are unrelated happenings, like a book in a series, is how I see her in other games. I did not birth her from the the construct of ESO. You very closely follow what you feel convicted to do, and that is to roleplay in such a tight-fisted, narrow minded way that forces you to alter your creativity around things like quests. When I'm questing, I'm playing as me. When I'm rping, I'm playing on Svan. Or in this case, my Dunmer Ember. Your way of doing things does NOT entitle you to discredit other people's creative efforts. You're entitled to your opinion, and based on how you've been looking down your nose and right-fighting this entire conversation, you're quite unaware of how your public display of distaste for something different than what you do, makes people feel attacked and judged by you. Which is what you're doing, whether you see it or not.

Your creative efforts do NOT entitle you to discredit other people's in-game achievements. Moreover I sticked to your character having said nothing rude to you personally. I've even tried to help, but you've shown your "gratitude". Thank you much. Since you allow yourself to chin me personally, I warn you: the more impolite you are with me, the more aggressive and rude I am to you. I've only said that your Ember is not a House Dres affiliate. She might be in your mind, but she's not in the game. I've also given you a tip on how to make her a Dres member not only in your headcanon. Now look what have you written to me up there in response.. I will not retaliate this time in order to cease the conflict. But try it again and I'll pour you with a brown organic substance with pleasure.

A thousand times I have said it: I'm not speaking of your backstories. I'm not interested in any stories you create in your minds. I can create many of them myself. I'm speaking of the roleplaying in-game activity only. If I want to read some fiction, I'll read the Ilsabet's headcanon thread with great pleasure. I like it much, I have to admit. You're like pocket crusaders or a Hydra who had many heads but still it was a single creature (it's much like you - many speaking heads support a single intolerant approach) - can't you just stop or it is a very great necessity you feel to convince me your fiction making means anything to the actual in-game roleplaying?

If I may be so bold as to offer an idea, you have written a lovely guide on How to Join the Ordinator's Faction that is available as reference for any player who wants to use your roleplaying approach. Have you considered writing a similar guide for House Dres? I think that would make a fantastic resource for the roleplaying community and anyone who's interested in joining House Dres in-game.

The benefit of such guides are that you rarely have to worry about offering unwanted advice or criticism on threads where people generally aren't looking for either - your guide is there for any players who are interested, while players who aren't can carry on as they please, harming no one.

Feel free to take or leave the idea as you see fit, of course.

Aigym_Hlervu

VaranisArano wrote: »

If I may be so bold as to offer an idea, you have written a lovely guide on How to Join the Ordinator's Faction that is available as reference for any player who wants to use your roleplaying approach. Have you considered writing a similar guide for House Dres? I think that would make a fantastic resource for the roleplaying community and anyone who's interested in joining House Dres in-game.

The benefit of such guides are that you rarely have to worry about offering unwanted advice or criticism on threads where people generally aren't looking for either - your guide is there for any players who are interested, while players who aren't can carry on as they please, harming no one.

Feel free to take or leave the idea as you see fit, of course.

Hello, Varanis. Sadly, there's only one option to join.. well at least to somehow become an affiliate of that Great House I'm aware of. So there's not much information to make it a full guide. If anyone knows another way, I'd appreciate to discuss it. Thank you for appreciating my efforts regarding my Guide to become an Ordinator in ESO, though I understand it was just a polite form of an advice to leave. This matter was between me and Sheezabeast only, we discussed his Ember Dres character. Though other players could just pass by, they somehow felt insulted the very same way I had been insulted by the unwanted claims of Sheezabeast's character. Moreover, I remember you told me not to make it personal, to separate these players type from their characters - people could be offended.. So look what I've been written in response though I followed your advice.. I was not the one to make it personal.

So could you write those guys the same type of a message to support me this time? I mean a true supporting message like the ones you've written to me previously: "It's bad to make things personal, you discuss your headcanon though it's a roleplaying section also, it's Fiction and Roleplaying, two separate terms, let me explain you what a roleplaying is, follow @Ilsabet's example and make your own fiction based threads - your headcanon is there for any players who are interested, while players who aren't can carry on as they please, harming no one, etc." . Varanis, I have to apologize for this joke, it really is. If you wish to discuss the ways to connect our game characters to lore ones - let's do it, I really like your way of thinking. But I see no reason to discuss each other personally again especially because of my talks to third parties. Don't start it, please. It was only me and Sheezabeast's character. And some other guys.. Humph.. Sometimes it's so hard to communicate with some difficult people.. They just want to argue on any matter, they can't live without making conflicts.. Though I see they have stopped it and so do I.

Ilsabet

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Hello, @Ilsabet! Will you belive me if I tell you a story about Cygemai Hlervu before he was sacrificed to Molag Bal by that Altmeri scum? A story of him being one of the Daedric Princes who was banished into a mortal body of one of the Hlervu family of Vvardenfell, a story that all his actions before and after the sacrifice are just a part of a Daedric plan to reclaim his Daedric essence and his Daedric realm. I could tell you more details, but lets stop it here for now. Will you believe that story?

Are you asking me that because that's actually the backstory you envision for your character, or because you wanted to come up with a hyperbolic example of something you wouldn't expect me to accept as being supported by the lore and see how I'd react?

Either way, I have two basic reactions:

1. Daedric Princes are some of the more well-documented figures in Elder Scrolls lore, so it gets trickier to incorporate them if you're trying to stay absolutely lore-faithful. I'd be curious about which Prince it is and how your story fits in with what we know about that Prince and what they're up to at this point in history.

2. That sounds pretty badass. If that's what works for you, go for it and have fun and get the most you can out of your game experience.

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

If I want to read some fiction, I'll read the Ilsabet's headcanon thread with great pleasure. I like it much, I have to admit.

I'm actually quite glad to hear that. I've been curious about whether you'd enjoy fanfiction or if it's too out-there for your tastes. You've probably noticed that the vast majority of what I write about (I'd estimate about 95% of the content in the thread) is stuff that actually happens in-game. It's presented through my character's eyes, giving her perspective on things she finds meaningful. But aside from the 5% or so that I shamelessly made up to suit my narrative, it's all supported by what happens in the game. I'm actually kind of proud of that fact.

And if you want an example of how characters can behave differently from their players, it may surprise you to learn that actual me is not hopelessly in love with Darien and he's not even really my type. (Although I will admit that some of character Ilsabet's obsession with him has rubbed off on me since I've been writing about him for like three and a half years.)

CassandraGemini wrote: »

One of the first things I have read in this forum was a thread about the backstories people invent for their characters - a writing excercise. I saw your awesome post there @Ilsabet and decided to participate myself, in part because of it, and I share your feelings about how much fun it is to come up with this stuff and expand on it. These things are a big reason why I can even get into RPGs the way I do, because they allow me to explore things I never can (or, in some cases, don't want to) in real life.

That's awesome. There's a lot of inspiring creativity on these boards and in the wider Elder Scrolls community. It's pretty great to be a part of it, in however small a way.

Aigym_Hlervu

Ilsabet wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Hello, @Ilsabet! Will you belive me if I tell you a story about Cygemai Hlervu before he was sacrificed to Molag Bal by that Altmeri scum? A story of him being one of the Daedric Princes who was banished into a mortal body of one of the Hlervu family of Vvardenfell, a story that all his actions before and after the sacrifice are just a part of a Daedric plan to reclaim his Daedric essence and his Daedric realm. I could tell you more details, but lets stop it here for now. Will you believe that story?

Are you asking me that because that's actually the backstory you envision for your character, or because you wanted to come up with a hyperbolic example of something you wouldn't expect me to accept as being supported by the lore and see how I'd react?

Of course it wasn't the backstory, it was a hyperbolic example of something I expected you wouldn't accept because it was an absolute lie. Me as a former Daedric Prince in ESO ? No. It's stupid.. Words below are not directed to you, Ilsabeth.

No, guys, I see your concepts of role-playing are really strange. A simple appeal to prove some words in a roleplaying thread of being someone in the game with in-game mechanics meets your fury and aggression. Directed personally. It is impolite and unacceptable. I apologize if I have offended you, @Sheezabeast and others. I've spent hours in the game to find ways to play one role or another not to read your statements your characters were already those heroes just because you have seen them in that role in a daydream.

ESO is not that simple game. It might not give you a certain skill line, a clear option to join one faction or another. But it doesn't mean the game mechanics restrict you from joining it. You have to spend hours in the game reading dialogues, books and finally doing some certain actions to finally become the one you wish. I've spent hours only to pick up the right dye for my Militant Ordinator armor corresponding to the one we see on the Vivec City guards. I had to dismiss the entire guild of the Ashlander Tribal Union I created in the past, spending time, money, lots of efforts to write its Charter to build Ashlander grounds with yurts, guars, crafting stations, etc. in the Coldharbour Surreal Estate, to make events, etc. only because I was pointed at the fact the Clanfriend title does not give one the right to be a fully legit member of an Ashlander tribe. The entire guild was created around my own imagination but I could not see it until I received another opinion. And I'm grateful for that! I've done too many quests and have read too many dialogues to find a single line in a side quest to somehow legitimize myself being a House Dres affiliate. But you just come here to the Fiction and Roleplaying section and declare your character to be Dres just because she wants it. Nice. That doesn't work that way unless it is your own game and your own world. Read the thread title again: "Anyone else's toons connected to lore characters?". There are no words of it being headcanon, fiction or something.

Your kind of fiction has already destroyed too many universes I liked so much. Ubi destroyed Enroth, Disney destroyed everything I read, watched and played in the Star Wars universe, Terminator 3-..6 thoroughly ruined the first two chapters of that movie. Decades of experience ruined only because someone cannot live in a premade world, but due to the lack of creativity cannot create his own universe, someone can only pervert the world existing. That's a Daedric approach.

A pity you do not understand you were the first to offend me and unlike me none of you has ever apologized for doing that. A very unfriendly approach. You just cry when I give you a flick on your nose for doing that. I wish you to have a good day and I won't even read your.. fiction in this thread anymore. Let's just stop it and get along. May the Force be with you .

VaranisArano

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

If I may be so bold as to offer an idea, you have written a lovely guide on How to Join the Ordinator's Faction that is available as reference for any player who wants to use your roleplaying approach. Have you considered writing a similar guide for House Dres? I think that would make a fantastic resource for the roleplaying community and anyone who's interested in joining House Dres in-game.

The benefit of such guides are that you rarely have to worry about offering unwanted advice or criticism on threads where people generally aren't looking for either - your guide is there for any players who are interested, while players who aren't can carry on as they please, harming no one.

Feel free to take or leave the idea as you see fit, of course.

Hello, Varanis. Sadly, there's only one option to join.. well at least to somehow become an affiliate of that Great House I'm aware of. So there's not much information to make it a full guide. If anyone knows another way, I'd appreciate to discuss it. Thank you for appreciating my efforts regarding my Guide to become an Ordinator in ESO, though I understand it was just a polite form of an advice to leave. This matter was between me and Sheezabeast only, we discussed his Ember Dres character. Though other players could just pass by, they somehow felt insulted the very same way I had been insulted by the unwanted claims of Sheezabeast's character. Moreover, I remember you told me not to make it personal, to separate these players type from their characters - people could be offended.. So look what I've been written in response though I followed your advice.. I was not the one to make it personal.

So could you write those guys the same type of a message to support me this time? I mean a true supporting message like the ones you've written to me previously: "It's bad to make things personal, you discuss your headcanon though it's a roleplaying section also, it's Fiction and Roleplaying, two separate terms, let me explain you what a roleplaying is, follow @Ilsabet's example and make your own fiction based threads - your headcanon is there for any players who are interested, while players who aren't can carry on as they please, harming no one, etc." . Varanis, I have to apologize for this joke, it really is. If you wish to discuss the ways to connect our game characters to lore ones - let's do it, I really like your way of thinking. But I see no reason to discuss each other personally again especially because of my talks to third parties. Don't start it, please. It was only me and Sheezabeast's character. And some other guys.. Humph.. Sometimes it's so hard to communicate with some difficult people.. They just want to argue on any matter, they can't live without making conflicts.. Though I see they have stopped it and so do I.

To clarify where I was misunderstood and offer an apology: My idea was intended as genuine appreciation for your Ordinator guide and acknowledgement that a small guide for joining house Dres would be delightful if you wanted to write one, not a polite hint for you to leave. I'm sorry you took it that way. You have as much right to engage this thread in conversation as any of us. I'm sorry I did not make that clear.

In deference to your request to not keep this going, I will now go back to only reading your comments.

Aigym_Hlervu

Thank you again, @VaranisArano . I was not offended, moreover, we have already settled everything and I'm grateful to you for sharing your knowledge on fiction & roleplaying. Though we have different positions on that, I see that roleplaying is the only sphere we do not agree. It's normal for two thoughtful people. There won't be (I hope I'm not forced to make them!) any comments of mine here, I've said all I wanted to say in the post above. I wonder the moderators have not closed this thread from the very beginning of our debates here .. It might be nice if they cleared all those debate posts including those of mine to make this thread more friendly, so the future readers and post writers would not read our quarrels on roleplaying styles.

Ilsabet

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Hello, @Ilsabet! Will you belive me if I tell you a story about Cygemai Hlervu before he was sacrificed to Molag Bal by that Altmeri scum? A story of him being one of the Daedric Princes who was banished into a mortal body of one of the Hlervu family of Vvardenfell, a story that all his actions before and after the sacrifice are just a part of a Daedric plan to reclaim his Daedric essence and his Daedric realm. I could tell you more details, but lets stop it here for now. Will you believe that story?

Are you asking me that because that's actually the backstory you envision for your character, or because you wanted to come up with a hyperbolic example of something you wouldn't expect me to accept as being supported by the lore and see how I'd react?

Of course it wasn't the backstory, it was a hyperbolic example of something I expected you wouldn't accept because it was an absolute lie. Me as a former Daedric Prince in ESO ? No. It's stupid..

Like I said, backstories can be less or more lore-friendly. If you found a way to make it work without contradicting established lore, I wouldn't call you a liar.

That could be an interesting creative exercise, actually, see how much you can get away with without contradicting anything in established lore.

My original point stands, though - it's quite easy to create a plausible backstory that isn't contradicted by anything in-game even if it's also not explicitly confirmed by anything in-game. I believe that type of backstory is still perfectly valid for that character, but I can see that that's simply a difference of opinion between us.

It is impressive that you're dedicated enough to your vision of roleplaying to spend so much time and effort on building things in-game. It reminds me of all the time I've spent trying to find a particular stolen treasure item just because it has Darien's name on it.

Aigym_Hlervu

Ilsabet wrote: »

It is impressive that you're dedicated enough to your vision of roleplaying to spend so much time and effort on building things in-game. It reminds me of all the time I've spent trying to find a particular stolen treasure item just because it has Darien's name on it.

Your work in your own thread is much greater, Ilsabet. I barely can even imagine the time it took you to create it and write it down. It's magnificent. That is what must be called impressive. Regarding my playing, I won't even make a backstory, I'm not interested in it. I'm fully satisfied with the world the devs created and the role of a player in it. Yeah, I was spawned as an adult there with no backstory - why not? It would be a strange phenomenon IRL, but TES is not life, it's just a tiny model of it. A much simplified one, but it is still a world. Have you heard of that "Last Thursdayism" theory or of the works of XIX century naturalist Philip Henry Gosse like "Omphalos, an attempt to untie the geological Knot"? It works fine in TES. Everything tells us the world existed thousands of years ago, but actually the current world of 2E 582-583 was created 17 years later than the one to come in 740 years in 3E 427 . A nice "paradox" though incomprehensible by a fellow local NPC. Books and the world itself tell us there were wars, tragedies, different events, but they have never been yet created. The same thing is with characters. NPC will never realize a true nature of a PC (if that NPC is not Sotha Sil, of course). So, no, I'm just a guest on Nirn, I'll just write my story there without any "back-" prefix .

That Darien's treasure item - was it that romantic correspondence from an anonymous author, directed to Darien Gautier, those Illicit Letters from Windhelm ?

Ilsabet

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

It is impressive that you're dedicated enough to your vision of roleplaying to spend so much time and effort on building things in-game. It reminds me of all the time I've spent trying to find a particular stolen treasure item just because it has Darien's name on it.

Your work in your own thread is much greater, Ilsabet. I barely can even imagine the time it took you to create it and write it down. It's magnificent. That is what must be called impressive. Regarding my playing, I won't even make a backstory, I'm not interested in it. I'm fully satisfied with the world the devs created and the role of a player in it. Yeah, I was spawned as an adult there with no backstory - why not? It would be a strange phenomenon IRL, but TES is not life, it's just a tiny model of it. A much simplified one, but it is still a world. Have you heard of that "Last Thursdayism" theory or of the works of XIX century naturalist Philip Henry Gosse like "Omphalos, an attempt to untie the geological Knot"? It works fine in TES. Everything tells us the world existed thousands of years ago, but actually the current world of 2E 582-583 was created 17 years later than the one to come in 740 years in 3E 427 . A nice "paradox" though incomprehensible by a fellow local NPC. Books and the world itself tell us there were wars, tragedies, different events, but they have never been yet created. The same thing is with characters. NPC will never realize a true nature of a PC (if that NPC is not Sotha Sil, of course). So, no, I'm just a guest on Nirn, I'll just write my story there without any "back-" prefix .

That Darien's treasure item - was it that romantic correspondence from an anonymous author, directed to Darien Gautier, those Illicit Letters from Windhelm ?

Thanks for the nice comments about my thread. It's been an ongoing project in the almost 4 years since I wrote that first post. As I go about questing with Ilsabet, I keep an eye out for quests or experiences or interactions with characters that she would find meaningful or thought-provoking in some way. I honestly never know what I'm going to write about until the experiences happen. I've been pretty lucky that the game provides so much good material to work with.

I'm not familiar with those philosophical theories, but it's an interesting way to think about the microcosm of fictional worlds.

I should probably put Darien's naughty letters on my list too, but the ones I've been going after are a couple of blankets:



I mean I think we can all agree that Ilsabet would qualify for one or both of those blankets. Sadly nobody she's shamelessly robbed politely inquired of in Glenumbra or Rivenspire has been willing to part with one.

wolfbone

well, my wood elf night blade werewolf knew darien before meridia took him, and since has sworn revenge on her. played through the daggerfall quest line, and he was really looking forward to their drink in a tavern till he vnaisehd in cold harbour

emilyhyoyeon

Like a lot of others I tend to avoid making these types of relationships for my characters. It typically feels better to headcanon/design my own for my characters to interact with. A lot of the time I will ''use'' ingame characters for this and pretend they're other people I made up, especially for followers in Oblivion or Skyrim since I don't know how to mod my own.

I headcanon relationships between my khajiit assassin and Teinaava and Ocheeva from Oblivion, and interactions between my argonian master mage and Sinderion the nirnroot guy, but that's pretty much it

ServerusEcru

I think it is quite immersive to have a character who is connected to someone in lore. A lot of old school Rpers avoid it, but I think it makes the world more real with a family and residence to connect to. I made my main character the cousin of King Fahara'jad. He is a Forebear who lives in Sentinel as a Knight of the Order. Our guild is even the Knighthood in TES lore called Order of the Candle. I also made my Necromancer Tu'whacca the Tricky himself. The Redguard's in this era are soft and need a god to lead them. One who does not fear necromancy or magicka, but embraces it.

Syldras

Well, the concept I had in mind for my main char was a Dunmer who grew up in an environment full of mages, alchemists and really eccentric and haughty people - such as his parents So I thought I'd make him part of the Andrethi family, which is very huge and had been mainly associated with House Telvanni since centuries. Sarayn, by the way, is a rather uncommon and outdated name by that time, hinting on his traditionalist upbringing.

Is he related to anyone in the game? Yes. There are some other family members you meet (not only in Vvardenfell), but they aren't very close and those are only minor NPCs (like vendors or commoners). But in case someone asks, I can refer to them. Also, the Andrethi family has an ancestral tomb (no map marker, but it is there), just west from Balmora.

In case anyone cares, I wrote a little more about him here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6604922/#Comment_6604922

And in case noone cares - so what. I'm mainly doing this for myself because to me, personally, it is a deeper level of immersion, which I really enjoy.

Monte_Cristo

My newest character is Princess Alica of Wayrest. Daughter of King Emeric and Queen Maraya. Was supposed tp be called Natalia, but that was 2 letters too long.

NorroenDyrd

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

My newest character is Princess Alica of Wayrest. Daughter of King Emeric and Queen Maraya. Was supposed tp be called Natalia, but that was 2 letters too long.

That is so adorable! I find Emeric and Maraya to be a fascinating couple, in that their marriage seemed to be arranged but they eventually came to care for one another (or at least, it's important for Emeric that Maraya cares for him, as evidenced in his nightmares).

As for myself, I do a lot of OC/NPC (and some OC/OC) shipping! Plus, some of my Vestiges are the ancestors of my Dragonborns (for instance, my Orcs are all related to each other). As for familial connections, one of my characters, Wylmina Adrys, is the niece of Mel Adrys the vampire hunter and, ironically, a vampire herself and a member of House Ravenwatch.

Kalik_Gold

All of my characters have back stories with lore characters or quest lines...

The most prominent names are my Imperials and Nord listed here:

Cinan Tharn - illegitimate unknown son of Abnur Tharn. A drunk whose mother told him about his father taking advantage of her, and not claiming him as his own.

Tyrus Septim - no blood relation to Tiber Septim, his Cyrodillic family name, was used/given to Talos in later years. Talos becomes Tiber Septim and goes on to make the Septim name historical. Currently Tyrus is just a ruffian ex-soldier protecting the Tharn family.

Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar - Great-Great-Grandfather to Silus Vesuius....

Movárth Piquine - currently a member of the Fighters guild. Will go on to become - Movarth Piquine