The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/
RIP EU SERVER
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✭No one saw guilds being refunded more than they bid either and that is apparently happening though nobody wants to tell you that because they're hoping nobody notices.@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ ʀʋʟɨʄɛ⍟
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sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭My chief complaint with the multi-bid system was that it was impossible to test it thoroughly. The PTS does not get the same traffic, nor does bidding on it have the same urgency. I specifically said it was impossible to know how long it would take the server to calculate the results of the bids, and that it would cause problems when multi-bid went live.
It appears to me that what has happened is related to precisely that. There is always a delay of about 5 minutes between bid close and when results are posted. There is further another 5-minute delay between finding out if you've won your bid and unbid traders being able to be hired. It seems that 5 minutes was not enough time for those calculations to be made with the new multi-bidding "feature" and since there was no additional delay coded in, the kiosks went "available to hire" before the results of bids were posted.
This sucks, and I'm so sorry to all those affected. As if running a trade guild and dealing with the weekly bids isn't stressful enough, to have this introduced by a system that was intended to make this "less stressful" is an extraordinary slap in the face. @ZOS_GinaBruno, you guys have time to stop this from happening on PC/NA. Please do.Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
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Shamisa_En✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno if you're going to actually address the ridiculous guild trader bid refunds, maybe with a roll back, you should probably be taking the server down?The devil's in the details.6 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Why ignore ll the warnings about multi bidding?
Because it was easier to disregard us.
And why not fix performance and guild issues BEFORE CHANGING THINGS? I swear we begged you.10 -
dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭I love that EU are just guinepigs
Even associating with ZOS at this point is disgusting
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StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dtsharples wrote: »I love that EU are just guinepigs
Even associating with ZOS at this point is disgusting
Not their choice, I'm sure.1 -
dagrdagaz_5912✭✭✭Could the topic poster please add 'PvP' to the title.
With every dramatic complaint post about server performance, i always think wtf r u talking about?!
I only do PvE and i never have the issues mentioned in these topics.
geezEdited by dagrdagaz_5912 on 18 August 2019 21:081 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dagrdagaz_5912 wrote: »Could the topic poster please add 'PvP' to the title.
With every dramatic complaint post about server performance, i always think wtf r u talking about?!
I only do PvE and i never have the issues mentioned in these topics.
geez
It evolved to be about other issues, including the trader swap.0 -
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✭dagrdagaz_5912 wrote: »Could the topic poster please add 'PvP' to the title.
With every dramatic complaint post about server performance, i always think wtf r u talking about?!
I only do PvE and i never have the issues mentioned in these topics.
geez
Guild bidding, end game PvP!
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✭dagrdagaz_5912 wrote: »Could the topic poster please add 'PvP' to the title.
With every dramatic complaint post about server performance, i always think wtf r u talking about?!
I only do PvE and i never have the issues mentioned in these topics.
geez
*points to ZOS responses*
*stops feeding trolls*0 -
baratron✭✭✭✭✭dagrdagaz_5912 wrote: »Could the topic poster please add 'PvP' to the title.
With every dramatic complaint post about server performance, i always think wtf r u talking about?!
I only do PvE and i never have the issues mentioned in these topics.
geez
Did you read ANY of the topic? It isn't just a PvP issue. Here's a poster who was having severe issues doing crafting writs.Guildmaster of the UESP Guild on the North American PC/Mac Server 2200+ CP & also found on the European PC/Mac Server 1700+ CP
These characters are on both servers:
Alix de Feu - Breton Templar Healer level 50
Brings-His-Own-Forest - Argonian Warden Healer level 50
Hrodulf Bearpaw - Nord Warden Bear Friend & identical twin of Bjornolfr level 50
Jadisa al-Belkarth - Redguard Arcanist looking for a role
NA-only characters:
Martin Draconis - Imperial Sorceror Healer (Aldmeri Dominion) level 50
Arzhela Petit - Breton Dragonknight Healer (Daggerfall Covenant) level 50
Bjornolfr Steel-Shaper - Nord Dragonknight Crafter & Not-Much-Damage Dealer (Ebonheart Pact) level 50
Verandis Bloodraven - Altmer Nightblade Healer & clone of Count Verandis Ravenwatch (Aldmeri Dominion) level 50
Gethin Oakrun - Bosmer Nightblade Thief & terrible Tank (Ebonheart Pact) level 501 -
dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭PVE is still a thing?
How many times can you kill the same thing in exactly the same way.
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ATomiX69✭✭✭✭Yall complaining about ZOS, yet youre spending money on ESO+ and hundreds of dollars on crown crates, im sure they are gonna change the way of looking at things if you just keep throwing money at them.smurf account
New PvP content when?
Better cyro performance when?
Farmed about 3 GO's worth of AP
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dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭No reason at all to stay ESO+
The DLCs are all blah, unless you need the4 item sets which realistically arent all that goodEdited by dtsharples on 18 August 2019 21:266 -
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✭dtsharples wrote: »PVE is still a thing?
How many times can you kill the same thing in exactly the same way.
Sometimes I go to Cyro to kill swarms of NPCs who pretend to be real people over and over again on the same objective all day ad nauseam. Breaks up the monotony of veteran PvE."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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martinhpb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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And what is the answer to the effects of this awesome uplift in the quality of life for GM's?
Turn off guild history
Edited by martinhpb16_ESO on 18 August 2019 21:38At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS shouldnt be allowed to make any more games that require a server connection. Its disgraceful12 -
Denver21✭✭SteveCampsOut wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno Our trader in Cormount was showing the Bid on Trader and Hire Trader option when I went to place our bid for next week. Shortly after that someone must have come along who didn't have a trader and they hired it even though we won our trader this week.
But, but, but.. this patch is soooooo awesooooooome! Served with a dollop of awesome sauce!2 -
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✭sylviermoone wrote: »My chief complaint with the multi-bid system was that it was impossible to test it thoroughly. The PTS does not get the same traffic, nor does bidding on it have the same urgency. I specifically said it was impossible to know how long it would take the server to calculate the results of the bids, and that it would cause problems when multi-bid went live.
It appears to me that what has happened is related to precisely that. There is always a delay of about 5 minutes between bid close and when results are posted. There is further another 5-minute delay between finding out if you've won your bid and unbid traders being able to be hired. It seems that 5 minutes was not enough time for those calculations to be made with the new multi-bidding "feature" and since there was no additional delay coded in, the kiosks went "available to hire" before the results of bids were posted.
This sucks, and I'm so sorry to all those affected. As if running a trade guild and dealing with the weekly bids isn't stressful enough, to have this introduced by a system that was intended to make this "less stressful" is an extraordinary slap in the face. @ZOS_GinaBruno, you guys have time to stop this from happening on PC/NA. Please do.
Perhaps is ZOS had done some responses to our concerns that were expressed in the PTS thread, this might have come up. You would also think it common sense to program in for each step to proceed only after the previous one has completed. Who would have thought it would be a L2P issue. (Learn 2 Program).
So can we now have a Sub Forum for Guild and Trader issues?Edited by Grimm13 on 19 August 2019 05:135 -
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✭✭Just curious: being warned by PCEU, did they manage to prevent trader bingo melting down at PCNA?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It just didn't happen since only pc EU is just an 1980 calculator
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Mrs_Malaka✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »It just didn't happen since only pc EU is just an 1980 calculator
God I miss those old school Casios... "But screw your courage to the sticking-place,
And we’ll not fail."
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✭✭✭Hey EU traders, just wanted to tell you I'm really sorry you got so screwed, and many of us send our sympathies. We were very lucky that thus far we haven't experienced what you have but I'm fairly sure that's not luck, but them learning from what happened to you and fixing it.
What I'll tell you I've seen while reviewing every single trader in the game tonight, in case you are curious.
A couple of major guilds ended up in slightly less good places. not horrible. I'm seeing a major influx in trader guilds I either haven't heard of, or those that I have seen rarely. So mostly the mid-level guilds are missing, replaced with newer/unknown guilds. I'm sure that'll sort itself out in time once people figure out how to bid in this new system.4 -
OsManiaC✭✭✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Hey EU traders, just wanted to tell you I'm really sorry you got so screwed, and many of us send our sympathies. We were very lucky that thus far we haven't experienced what you have but I'm fairly sure that's not luck, but them learning from what happened to you and fixing it.
What I'll tell you I've seen while reviewing every single trader in the game tonight, in case you are curious.
A couple of major guilds ended up in slightly less good places. not horrible. I'm seeing a major influx in trader guilds I either haven't heard of, or those that I have seen rarely. So mostly the mid-level guilds are missing, replaced with newer/unknown guilds. I'm sure that'll sort itself out in time once people figure out how to bid in this new system.
glad NA didnt have problems and thank you for the supportGM of The Argonian Kebab, The Argonian Steak & The Argonian BBQ - PC - EU (The Tamriel Kitchen) @OsManiaC
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DonRavello✭✭✭Although I am happy for the NA-players that everything went well there, my evil twin hoped that NA would be wrecked as well, only to get ZOS' attention on the topic. Now that NA is fine, why care about those pesky EU players?
Guild traders distributed randomly? - It will resolve automatically in one week. Maybe
Economy ruined by refunding billions to already rich guilds? - Not an issue, prices will skyrocket, but eventually the market will balance itself.
Server lags? - Guys, seriously? Just don't play at prime time. In six months we'll insert 1 more GB of RAM, so you can have twice the fun.
Rollback? - Are you insane? We know, this exists in theory, but it was never tested. And by the way: It was programmed by the same people ...
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Eyllora✭✭✭Hello @StabbityDoom
Thanks a lot for your support
I'm happy that everything worked well for you. We crossed fingers for you guys !!
Have good sales this week :-)2 -
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✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Hey EU traders, just wanted to tell you I'm really sorry you got so screwed, and many of us send our sympathies. We were very lucky that thus far we haven't experienced what you have but I'm fairly sure that's not luck, but them learning from what happened to you and fixing it.
What I'll tell you I've seen while reviewing every single trader in the game tonight, in case you are curious.
A couple of major guilds ended up in slightly less good places. not horrible. I'm seeing a major influx in trader guilds I either haven't heard of, or those that I have seen rarely. So mostly the mid-level guilds are missing, replaced with newer/unknown guilds. I'm sure that'll sort itself out in time once people figure out how to bid in this new system.
Glad NA didnt have problems
The Beta Test on EU Server tought ZOS a lot.
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WildWilbur✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »so the fix is to literally "switch it off and on again"?
Yes, but please don't phone them right now...
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