Blatent cheating in PvP- c'mon man.

Elong

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Annoying to be sure, but that's small time. If they want to take that troll to the next level, they need to get a group of 20 down there, each on their own siege and turn it away and just hold it there. That way you can't even place any that are pointing in the proper direction at all. They could even all have a guild tag so the opposing faction knows not to kill them. A bunch of AD all running around with the guild tag "Team Purple" and doing this on a regular basis would be horrifying and hilarious.

@redspecter23

Honestly- I've seen some pretty crappy sabotage in Vivec. There was one guy who would put up a ton of camps in random places- just to keep people from putting up effective camps. (What a waste of AP, right?)

But it would be pretty *** of someone to hop on a different faction and set up 16 oils on the ground so that the faction can't defend their own keep. There's got to be rules in place for this cross faction trolling/sabotage. I get it, though. I'm sure there's plenty of AD/DC/EP people that hop on alternate characters and spy for their home faction. Seems like it would be pretty boring, though.

Why would anyone want to spy? The campaigns really aren't that serious, man. There are no spais.

No. There's definitely people who are willing to spy. A while back, DD actually kicked a few new recruits who said that they'd pop on EP toons to help us. I mean, it's "play as you want"- but there's still a sportsmanship to even video games, you know?

That's not really spying???? There's nothing to spy on in this game's pvp lol

THATS SOMETHING A SPAI WUD SAY THO!!!1!

Prince_of_all_Pugs

To be fair he was prolly trying to help you, siege is so bad in cyrodil right now there’s no point in using it.

NedicWildling

So if i wanna RP in pvp as a saboteur I can't? i thought pLaY hOW yOu wAnT was the ESO motto...

DisgracefulMind

Elong wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Annoying to be sure, but that's small time. If they want to take that troll to the next level, they need to get a group of 20 down there, each on their own siege and turn it away and just hold it there. That way you can't even place any that are pointing in the proper direction at all. They could even all have a guild tag so the opposing faction knows not to kill them. A bunch of AD all running around with the guild tag "Team Purple" and doing this on a regular basis would be horrifying and hilarious.

@redspecter23

Honestly- I've seen some pretty crappy sabotage in Vivec. There was one guy who would put up a ton of camps in random places- just to keep people from putting up effective camps. (What a waste of AP, right?)

But it would be pretty *** of someone to hop on a different faction and set up 16 oils on the ground so that the faction can't defend their own keep. There's got to be rules in place for this cross faction trolling/sabotage. I get it, though. I'm sure there's plenty of AD/DC/EP people that hop on alternate characters and spy for their home faction. Seems like it would be pretty boring, though.

Why would anyone want to spy? The campaigns really aren't that serious, man. There are no spais.

No. There's definitely people who are willing to spy. A while back, DD actually kicked a few new recruits who said that they'd pop on EP toons to help us. I mean, it's "play as you want"- but there's still a sportsmanship to even video games, you know?

That's not really spying???? There's nothing to spy on in this game's pvp lol

THATS SOMETHING A SPAI WUD SAY THO!!!1!

shh

SirAndy

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Tbh a video showing this behavior would help.

You can't imagine someone turning around siege weapons?

Marcus684

Years ago a guildie of mine in a now-defunct guild would do stuff like this. I heard him in Teamspeak talking about letting enemy NBs ambush into keeps on him, turning siege, purging siege DoTs when that used to cause all the damage to happen immediately, etc. These kinds of trolls really do exist, but I doubt there’s anything that can be done about it. Just wait for them to get bored and log off, but don’t get all angry and rage at them, because that just gets them excited to troll more.

Beardimus

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Annoying to be sure, but that's small time. If they want to take that troll to the next level, they need to get a group of 20 down there, each on their own siege and turn it away and just hold it there. That way you can't even place any that are pointing in the proper direction at all. They could even all have a guild tag so the opposing faction knows not to kill them. A bunch of AD all running around with the guild tag "Team Purple" and doing this on a regular basis would be horrifying and hilarious.

@redspecter23

Honestly- I've seen some pretty crappy sabotage in Vivec. There was one guy who would put up a ton of camps in random places- just to keep people from putting up effective camps. (What a waste of AP, right?)

But it would be pretty *** of someone to hop on a different faction and set up 16 oils on the ground so that the faction can't defend their own keep. There's got to be rules in place for this cross faction trolling/sabotage. I get it, though. I'm sure there's plenty of AD/DC/EP people that hop on alternate characters and spy for their home faction. Seems like it would be pretty boring, though.

Why would anyone want to spy? The campaigns really aren't that serious, man. There are no spais.

No. There's definitely people who are willing to spy. A while back, DD actually kicked a few new recruits who said that they'd pop on EP toons to help us. I mean, it's "play as you want"- but there's still a sportsmanship to even video games, you know?

That's not really spying???? There's nothing to spy on in this game's pvp lol

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

If i wanted instant gratification id load up an FPS, more succinctly if i just want action with no picture bigger than the 15 minutes im in i play battlegrounds. In Cyrodiil i for one play to the campaign, for my alliance as it gives me purpose and the decent guilds I'm in are ALL the same.

Cyrodiil may hold no value for you, i understand that, but condoning cheating as you have lost interest or become disillusioned with a part of the game isn't cool. The disgraceful behavior of some ruins it for others. And that's legit.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Beardimus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Annoying to be sure, but that's small time. If they want to take that troll to the next level, they need to get a group of 20 down there, each on their own siege and turn it away and just hold it there. That way you can't even place any that are pointing in the proper direction at all. They could even all have a guild tag so the opposing faction knows not to kill them. A bunch of AD all running around with the guild tag "Team Purple" and doing this on a regular basis would be horrifying and hilarious.

@redspecter23

Honestly- I've seen some pretty crappy sabotage in Vivec. There was one guy who would put up a ton of camps in random places- just to keep people from putting up effective camps. (What a waste of AP, right?)

But it would be pretty *** of someone to hop on a different faction and set up 16 oils on the ground so that the faction can't defend their own keep. There's got to be rules in place for this cross faction trolling/sabotage. I get it, though. I'm sure there's plenty of AD/DC/EP people that hop on alternate characters and spy for their home faction. Seems like it would be pretty boring, though.

Why would anyone want to spy? The campaigns really aren't that serious, man. There are no spais.

No. There's definitely people who are willing to spy. A while back, DD actually kicked a few new recruits who said that they'd pop on EP toons to help us. I mean, it's "play as you want"- but there's still a sportsmanship to even video games, you know?

That's not really spying???? There's nothing to spy on in this game's pvp lol

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

If i wanted instant gratification id load up an FPS, more succinctly if i just want action with no picture bigger than the 15 minutes im in i play battlegrounds. In Cyrodiil i for one play to the campaign, for my alliance as it gives me purpose and the decent guilds I'm in are ALL the same.

Cyrodiil may hold no value for you, i understand that, but condoning cheating as you have lost interest or become disillusioned with a part of the game isn't cool. The disgraceful behavior of some ruins it for others. And that's legit.

Let's not forget that this is also just "your opinion". Assuming cyrodiil holds no value if someone doesn't care about the scoring and that people should play something else is just asinine.

Elong

Beardimus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Annoying to be sure, but that's small time. If they want to take that troll to the next level, they need to get a group of 20 down there, each on their own siege and turn it away and just hold it there. That way you can't even place any that are pointing in the proper direction at all. They could even all have a guild tag so the opposing faction knows not to kill them. A bunch of AD all running around with the guild tag "Team Purple" and doing this on a regular basis would be horrifying and hilarious.

@redspecter23

Honestly- I've seen some pretty crappy sabotage in Vivec. There was one guy who would put up a ton of camps in random places- just to keep people from putting up effective camps. (What a waste of AP, right?)

But it would be pretty *** of someone to hop on a different faction and set up 16 oils on the ground so that the faction can't defend their own keep. There's got to be rules in place for this cross faction trolling/sabotage. I get it, though. I'm sure there's plenty of AD/DC/EP people that hop on alternate characters and spy for their home faction. Seems like it would be pretty boring, though.

Why would anyone want to spy? The campaigns really aren't that serious, man. There are no spais.

No. There's definitely people who are willing to spy. A while back, DD actually kicked a few new recruits who said that they'd pop on EP toons to help us. I mean, it's "play as you want"- but there's still a sportsmanship to even video games, you know?

That's not really spying???? There's nothing to spy on in this game's pvp lol

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

If i wanted instant gratification id load up an FPS, more succinctly if i just want action with no picture bigger than the 15 minutes im in i play battlegrounds. In Cyrodiil i for one play to the campaign, for my alliance as it gives me purpose and the decent guilds I'm in are ALL the same.

Cyrodiil may hold no value for you, i understand that, but condoning cheating as you have lost interest or become disillusioned with a part of the game isn't cool. The disgraceful behavior of some ruins it for others. And that's legit.

No, what she is saying is there is absolutely nothing to spy on. Everything on the map is clear, black and white (or blue red yellow). People scout keeps, or they burst and you know where to go. If someone wants to sit on an alt and say "lfg group said they're going Dragonclaw" to their friends, people literally just take the keep back 15 mins later. There's literally nothing worth spying for on this game lol.

kringled_1

Elong wrote: »

No, what she is saying is there is absolutely nothing to spy on. Everything on the map is clear, black and white (or blue red yellow). People scout keeps, or they burst and you know where to go. If someone wants to sit on an alt and say "lfg group said they're going Dragonclaw" to their friends, people literally just take the keep back 15 mins later. There's literally nothing worth spying for on this game lol.

If people didn't spy, then how would the other factions get to appreciate how much PvP happens in DC zone chat? (PC/NA Vivec)
Seriously though, I agree.

Elong

kringled_1 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

No, what she is saying is there is absolutely nothing to spy on. Everything on the map is clear, black and white (or blue red yellow). People scout keeps, or they burst and you know where to go. If someone wants to sit on an alt and say "lfg group said they're going Dragonclaw" to their friends, people literally just take the keep back 15 mins later. There's literally nothing worth spying for on this game lol.

If people didn't spy, then how would the other factions get to appreciate how much PvP happens in DC zone chat? (PC/NA Vivec)
Seriously though, I agree.

It's never been the same since Publius was banished though.

Ruckly

kringled_1 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

No, what she is saying is there is absolutely nothing to spy on. Everything on the map is clear, black and white (or blue red yellow). People scout keeps, or they burst and you know where to go. If someone wants to sit on an alt and say "lfg group said they're going Dragonclaw" to their friends, people literally just take the keep back 15 mins later. There's literally nothing worth spying for on this game lol.

If people didn't spy, then how would the other factions get to appreciate how much PvP happens in DC zone chat? (PC/NA Vivec)
Seriously though, I agree.

If there is PvP in DC zone chat it is from second stringers. I don't hear much from the two eminent prime-time zone generals anymore; one who uses caps lock instead of ! to dominate zone chat. I don't really bother zone generaling anymore since lag bombing became a thing. From my analysis of DC prime-time I would say they are badly in need of 5-8 man beat down squads among other things. And DC guilds need to expose x and y to real battles and not just empty keep takes.

zyk

Of course there's nefarious cross-faction activity. But let's face it, the people stuck on semantics and who still find OMG SPAI!!! funny after all these years generally don't care.

We all know some players take the campaign seriously. This fact means that troubled individuals on all sides -- especially but not limited to those who also care about the campaign score -- will try to troll and/or grief them in different ways. Call it whatever you want, but obviously it happens.

poietin

NirnStorm wrote: »

Doing something I don't like =/= Cheating

LOL. A real life equivalent would be "calling 911 when I see something I don't like"

Mr_Walker

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

ellahellabella

Elong wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

No, what she is saying is there is absolutely nothing to spy on. Everything on the map is clear, black and white (or blue red yellow). People scout keeps, or they burst and you know where to go. If someone wants to sit on an alt and say "lfg group said they're going Dragonclaw" to their friends, people literally just take the keep back 15 mins later. There's literally nothing worth spying for on this game lol.

If people didn't spy, then how would the other factions get to appreciate how much PvP happens in DC zone chat? (PC/NA Vivec)
Seriously though, I agree.

It's never been the same since Publius was banished though.

The true hero of the Covernant

DisgracefulMind

Beardimus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Annoying to be sure, but that's small time. If they want to take that troll to the next level, they need to get a group of 20 down there, each on their own siege and turn it away and just hold it there. That way you can't even place any that are pointing in the proper direction at all. They could even all have a guild tag so the opposing faction knows not to kill them. A bunch of AD all running around with the guild tag "Team Purple" and doing this on a regular basis would be horrifying and hilarious.

@redspecter23

Honestly- I've seen some pretty crappy sabotage in Vivec. There was one guy who would put up a ton of camps in random places- just to keep people from putting up effective camps. (What a waste of AP, right?)

But it would be pretty *** of someone to hop on a different faction and set up 16 oils on the ground so that the faction can't defend their own keep. There's got to be rules in place for this cross faction trolling/sabotage. I get it, though. I'm sure there's plenty of AD/DC/EP people that hop on alternate characters and spy for their home faction. Seems like it would be pretty boring, though.

Why would anyone want to spy? The campaigns really aren't that serious, man. There are no spais.

No. There's definitely people who are willing to spy. A while back, DD actually kicked a few new recruits who said that they'd pop on EP toons to help us. I mean, it's "play as you want"- but there's still a sportsmanship to even video games, you know?

That's not really spying???? There's nothing to spy on in this game's pvp lol

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

If i wanted instant gratification id load up an FPS, more succinctly if i just want action with no picture bigger than the 15 minutes im in i play battlegrounds. In Cyrodiil i for one play to the campaign, for my alliance as it gives me purpose and the decent guilds I'm in are ALL the same.

Cyrodiil may hold no value for you, i understand that, but condoning cheating as you have lost interest or become disillusioned with a part of the game isn't cool. The disgraceful behavior of some ruins it for others. And that's legit.

I didn't say Cyrodiil doesn't hold value to me, don't put words or assumptions on me. And don't presume I want a first person shooter, I play a magden and a magplar, you really think I'm one shotting people? lol

I said there is nothing to spy on in this game, because there's actually not. There is no super special strategy to the map, for the most part, it's easy to read and easy to see where people are going and where they are (not to mention everyone by now knows all the tricks).

Tell me what people are spying for? What information are they relaying that is super damning to anything? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

Cyrodiil's value is in quality fights, which are rare anyways, but worth it when they happen. You're trying to make something out of nothing by claiming there's "spais" when that's just...useless. Someone can "spy" but it's not going to do anything, because there are enough people on all alliances that scout, wander the map, watch the map, etc etc.

heng14rwb17_ESO

30 DC TO FARE !

Cres

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

Except in real war, if found those spies are dead.

Slack

What a ***.

But I have to admit that it's actually somewhat funny

Knootewoot

Maybe i am dumb. But how can he turn someones siege? If your in it, nobody can meddle with it.

Savos_Saren

Knootewoot wrote: »

Maybe i am dumb. But how can he turn someones siege? If your in it, nobody can meddle with it.

The people at Sej were outnumbered- so they were trying to set up as many oils as possible to help defend. When you have multiple siege- you have to run back and forth between them. One ***, of course, can run over to them while the siege is on its cooldown and turn it around.

Mr_Walker

Cres wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

Except in real war, if found those spies are dead.

And in fake war, people rant and rage about them on forums!

Edirt_seliv

Cres wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

Except in real war, if found those spies are dead.

And in real war, I can't set up a trebuchet in 3 seconds. Nor can I carry 30 of them in my backpack. But alas, some concessions are made for the fun of video games, and the abilty to troll your allies is a god given liberty.

Beardimus

The energy for denial of wrong doing and defense of folks up to no good in game never ceases to amaze me here. It's kinda funny.

I get that alot of folks couldn't give two hoots for legit play. Each to their own, but when crappy behavior that's not legit undermines the fun of others Its fair enough to point it out and admit it goes on. The odd jump to defence/denial just makes me feel more and more folks are up to suspect stuff that defend all this stuff.

Each to their own. Gamers be gamers, i wouldn't flood a thread about cheating in PvE, or exploiting a trial as i couldn't give two hoots about it But i wouldn't go out of my way to undermine it saying the exploits are a fragment of peoples minds and who cares anyway, what good does that do?

If folks stuck up for each other more when someone called out a wrong the world would be a better place, even if that starts in a game.

Again tho, like legit play, I'm no doubt expecting way too much lol

Ruckly

If it makes you feel better most of the cheats in ESO are relatively harmless. My PC got smoked by something that resulted in me uninstalling/re-installing my anti-virus and finding all these cancer sectors bloating my ram and staring at my anti-virus for hours scanning this crap. I still don't know if my hard-drive is permanently damaged but it does happen with some games. Still staring at my anti-virus. To much data and dirac-delta shunting and w/e.

Savos_Saren

Edirt_seliv wrote: »

Cres wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

Except in real war, if found those spies are dead.

And in real war, I can't set up a trebuchet in 3 seconds. Nor can I carry 30 of them in my backpack. But alas, some concessions are made for the fun of video games, and the abilty to troll your allies is a god given liberty.

I don't think you understand the word "ally". If you're sabotaging a faction- you're not their ally. You're just exploiting the open faction campaign to help your other faction.

Edirt_seliv

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Edirt_seliv wrote: »

Cres wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

Except in real war, if found those spies are dead.

And in real war, I can't set up a trebuchet in 3 seconds. Nor can I carry 30 of them in my backpack. But alas, some concessions are made for the fun of video games, and the abilty to troll your allies is a god given liberty.

I don't think you understand the word "ally". If you're sabotaging a faction- you're not their ally. You're just exploiting the open faction campaign to help your other faction.

I'd argue that "Sabotage" is contextual. Because you see, from my perspective, I am aiding them. Perhaps I understand that our faction is better off not controling x keep because it will create unwanted retaliation.

Or perhaps I brokered a deal that I would hinder x seige and in turn x guild would give back our scroll.

In my mind, I'm a faction hero. Welcome to open world gaming, where not every players experience aligns with yours.

Savos_Saren

Edirt_seliv wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Edirt_seliv wrote: »

Cres wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

In your opinion. You might think the campaigns aren't worth it, but for those that care the nefarious behavior that happens ruins the feel of the game.

Technically spycraft and sabotage are part of war (think WW2, the French Resistance, and the Enigma code machine for starters), so these spys/saboteurs are just making it more realistic.

Plus, lag will get you in the end anyway. It gets everyone....

Except in real war, if found those spies are dead.

And in real war, I can't set up a trebuchet in 3 seconds. Nor can I carry 30 of them in my backpack. But alas, some concessions are made for the fun of video games, and the abilty to troll your allies is a god given liberty.

I don't think you understand the word "ally". If you're sabotaging a faction- you're not their ally. You're just exploiting the open faction campaign to help your other faction.

I'd argue that "Sabotage" is contextual. Because you see, from my perspective, I am aiding them. Perhaps I understand that our faction is better off not controling x keep because it will create unwanted retaliation.

Or perhaps I brokered a deal that I would hinder x seige and in turn x guild would give back our scroll.

In mind, I'm a faction hero. Welcome to open world gaming, where not every players experience aligns with yours.

Yeah... that doesn't sound like a load of ***, right?

"Hey, I'll sabotage Sej so that you can take it.... if you'll give me a whole scroll for it. Oh, and of course, my faction still wants to win the campaign... so our collusion at some point will only hinder your faction. Deal?"

Sounds legit.

yodased

I have always wanted a toggle for shareable siege.