Midyear Mayhem - I see what you did there Zos

Papachico

So before this PvP event started there were many forum posts about the bad performance in Cyrodiil. So I was surprised to have decent performance while the two new opened campaigns Malacath and Boethiah were pop locked. But after playing for a long time on the population locked campaigns I noticed that it was hard to find any action. Which got me thinking how come the campaigns be locked and there is no lag like I experienced for over 4 years on Vivec and Shor? Combined with the fact that it is hard to find any action on Cyrodiil in the two new opened campaigns this event compared to when vivec or shor is locked pop. The only explanation can be that zos lowered the population cap on the new campaigns. This results in better performance of but what do you buy for good performance if there is no people to fight... anyway smart move guess the PvE players can do their quests without experiencing huge delay and terrible lag.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

This is a pretty silly conspiracy theory. I don’t buy it.

Minno

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This is a pretty silly conspiracy theory. I don’t buy it.

It's because most of thepop is doing pve things and not trying toflood emp keeps.

Also wierd bug; shor was 3 bar pop around 3pm today and I still had a que of 6 lol.

CovertDistress4

If its not revenue dependant, crown store related, its working as intended.

pzschrek

Idk about the theory. But I’ve long noticed that, say, 2 bars in shor is a lot less pop and fights than 2 bars in sotha, much less vivec. And IC isn’t usually the explanation. I’ve often wondered where they all go.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

7 day campaigns have always had lower population locks

technohic

Minno wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This is a pretty silly conspiracy theory. I don’t buy it.

It's because most of thepop is doing pve things and not trying toflood emp keeps.

Also wierd bug; shor was 3 bar pop around 3pm today and I still had a que of 6 lol.

That's a good point to. I was kind of buying into lower caps as vivec was as bad as ever Thursday night then yesterday when i was there again after getting my campaign awards, seemed better with longer queues.

I did notice some of the larger ball groups were in partial force while seeing full sized ones in the campaigns i went to for my wait to get into Vivec. Maybe it is just 5he fact that these have been replaced by lighter activity players.

TLDR: Death to ball groups!

thankyourat

The reason performance feels better is because it's the ball groups that cause lag. And most ball groups play in Vivec and shor. The population on the newly opened campaigns are more spread out and it's not really any ball groups active so even when the new campaigns get zergy it's not an AoE tankfest. I'm my opinion the servers can handle the population for the most part but they can't handle the ball groups. This is why I think sometimes Vivec can be very laggy even if the population isn't full. I was playing in a new campaign yesterday and there were seven keeps flagged at the same time where in Vivec it's usually just one keep flagged and a laggy 3 way alliance vs alliance fight with the whole server population centered around 1 keep

frozywozy

thankyourat wrote: »

The reason performance feels better is because it's the ball groups that cause lag. And most ball groups play in Vivec and shor. The population on the newly opened campaigns are more spread out and it's not really any ball groups active so even when the new campaigns get zergy it's not an AoE tankfest. I'm my opinion the servers can handle the population for the most part but they can't handle the ball groups. This is why I think sometimes Vivec can be very laggy even if the population isn't full. I was playing in a new campaign yesterday and there were seven keeps flagged at the same time where in Vivec it's usually just one keep flagged and a laggy 3 way alliance vs alliance fight with the whole server population centered around 1 keep

I have to give you credit for this one. First of all, it's well known that some ballgroups cap their max players at 16 only to boost their huge ego and not to limit the performances impact on the server. Secondly, when a ballgroup does an effort to fight on the opposite side of the map away from their faction, this is mainly to look cool and to record clips. It has nothing to do with trying to get better performances on the server. Third and not the least, when a ballgroup get to attract 50-60players piled up together because 16 can't kill them, the blame goes also to the ballgroup for knowing all the game mechanics and being unkillable. The ballgroup should lower their knowledge to the level of the enemy players and give them a chance so the fight ends faster and performances get better. People need to stop blaming players that need to stack with 40-50 to kill a ballgroup. They barely create any lag.

Sacredx

#weekdays!

Running 16 players with emp in Vivec tonight killing 50 dc then ep was no issue, no lag, skills were working fine.

Then we had 150 ep faction zerg on the last keep to dethrone. Skills were not going off, I was looking at my magicka sitting at 100% with spamming skills... nothing, players were being pulled back by the server literally porting back 50 meters (not by skills).

Blame the ball group?

gw2only1b14_ESO

thankyourat wrote: »

The reason performance feels better is because it's the ball groups that cause lag. And most ball groups play in Vivec and shor. The population on the newly opened campaigns are more spread out and it's not really any ball groups active so even when the new campaigns get zergy it's not an AoE tankfest. I'm my opinion the servers can handle the population for the most part but they can't handle the ball groups. This is why I think sometimes Vivec can be very laggy even if the population isn't full. I was playing in a new campaign yesterday and there were seven keeps flagged at the same time where in Vivec it's usually just one keep flagged and a laggy 3 way alliance vs alliance fight with the whole server population centered around 1 keep

Eso might take a page from GW2 and issue they had in WvWvW and the ball groups they issued in rendering and cleared up there lag issues made everyone look generic but since ball groups is pvp of the 2010s then that's only fix