"Swift" Jewelry crafting is over performing

Moosey27

This should be a stacked buff up to 10%. First bonus 2% next 5% and if you do 3 10%. Run buff is to OP. To much running, not enough fighting.

WrathOfInnos

Maybe not everyone wants to fight. Or maybe it’s not that they are too good at running, you are just not good enough at chasing.

Anyway, it’s a mediocre trait with situational utility use. Don’t try to fix things that aren’t broken.

IlCanis_LupuslI

The only people complaining about this imo are the farming zergs who in my case chase you from alessia to roe to faregyl each time followed up by a huge zerg who pvdoors the empty keeps :-P
Ever thought of using A GAPCLOSER????? L2P issue imo
Gapclosers were forgotten since the previous metas were to snare the targets so they couldnt moove, now people can moove and are a bit faster people just need to learn to adjust, I put a Gapcloser on my bar immideatly as i saw the patch notes....
Adjust and overcome dont cry for nerfs mein Freund.

Nocturnalan

Scrolls running too fast? It's like a perma-block Ulti-generating tank but even less of a concern. Let them run and consider it a win. They are sacrificing other traits for this.

Emma_Overload

Every single Swift jewel can be countered by another Swift jewel. If you're not willing to sacrifice Arcane or Robust, that's your problem.

Chilly-McFreeze

How about you gather all your nerf ideas and put them in one sole thread, so it's easier for us to skip them?

I'll do it for you: "Nerf Vigot, nerf Dawnbreaker, nerf Swift, nerf Time Stop." Anything I forgot?

But on topic: swift means you lose out on every other trait you could use instead. Robust, arcane, healthy, infused... It's not like they get it on top of those traits. Do you wish to sacrifice 3k max resources for merely 10% running speed? That's as much as a minor buff, I don't think that would be balanced either.
Also, for some classes it's the only way to keep up with the mobility meta. Remember all the "stand your ground is dead" threads?

IxSTALKERxI

The other traits are just as strong as swift.

Sheezabeast

You know you've really lived when you live long enough to see running away easier as OP

MajBludd

People complain about everything and anything if they can't catch you, can't kill you, or get killed by a skill. Then they want it nerfed.

Isn't there a cap on speed? If so, what is the point of this thread? If they can't pass the speed cap then they are not over performing, right?

Biro123

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Every single Swift jewel can be countered by another Swift jewel. If you're not willing to sacrifice Arcane or Robust, that's your problem.

That's kind of the definition of over-performing.

Chrlynsch

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Every single Swift jewel can be countered by another Swift jewel. If you're not willing to sacrifice Arcane or Robust, that's your problem.

Not necessarily true. If the game worked perfectly this would be true. But because the game has issues calculating and registering clint position vs server position, you can be wearing swift right on the tailbone of someone also wearing swift and you will not land a single melee attack because your not "in range".

Dashmatt

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Not necessarily true. If the game worked perfectly this would be true. But because the game has issues calculating and registering clint position vs server position, you can be wearing swift right on the tailbone of someone also wearing swift and you will not land a single melee attack because your not "in range".

This is accurate.

Also, can’t honestly say I’ve ever cared about someone running away. It’s when they are attacking you, and it feels like they are running circles around you, partly due to lag. With a speed pot they can do a lap around a tree or pillar to block LOS and then be on you again, maybe missing 1 global cool down of offense.

It definitely rewards skilled play, which is a good thing, but in some players’ hands it is quite bonkers. Not sure anyone was meant to move so quickly - there are enough lag issues without turbo mode.

Chilly-McFreeze

Dashmatt wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Not necessarily true. If the game worked perfectly this would be true. But because the game has issues calculating and registering clint position vs server position, you can be wearing swift right on the tailbone of someone also wearing swift and you will not land a single melee attack because your not "in range".

This is accurate.

Also, can’t honestly say I’ve ever cared about someone running away. It’s when they are attacking you, and it feels like they are running circles around you, partly due to lag. With a speed pot they can do a lap around a tree or pillar to block LOS and then be on you again, maybe missing 1 global cool down of offense.

It definitely rewards skilled play, which is a good thing, but in some players’ hands it is quite bonkers. Not sure anyone was meant to move so quickly - there are enough lag issues without turbo mode.

Hmm... honestly, I had a hard time landing dizzying swing before summerset. now it's also uneasy to land a whole skill of rapid strikes on someone who joggs in 3x swift, even if I wear 2-3 of them myself on an stam sorc.

BUT I still don't think that the trait per se is OP, it's again how badly the game is coded. To reduce speed cap or nerf swift would be just another bandaid fix. Just like nerfing CCs because of broken cc break would be.

But whatever helps the health of the game, I guess, even if I'm no fan of nerfing the trait for earlier mentioned reasons.

Adenoma

I wonder if reverting range on light and heavy attacks, as well as minutely extending the range of melee attacks would make swift more easily managed. I don’t mean to make everything “ranged,” but with the poor targeting system in eso it would make things just a tidbit more functional. Either that or have tab target provide you more than just an outline of the target.

Kickimanjaro

Are the speedy bois effective or just annoying?

Mazbt

It's a trait made for troll players that will sprint away as soon as they come under even a little bit of pressure. But it's still not worth nerfing it. It helps builds/classes that don't have easy access to speed who won't want to waste a move slot or chug pots all day.

Drakkdjinn

When the counter to cheese is more cheese, the dead will walk the earth.

susmitds

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Every single Swift jewel can be countered by another Swift jewel. If you're not willing to sacrifice Arcane or Robust, that's your problem.

Not necessarily true. If the game worked perfectly this would be true. But because the game has issues calculating and registering clint position vs server position, you can be wearing swift right on the tailbone of someone also wearing swift and you will not land a single melee attack because your not "in range".

Not true. Not a single Swift user escaped my Ambush spam and I am only using one Swift.

Lylith

wouldn't care, but it seems to render some players non-targetable, and that's ***.

Stratforge

Disclaimer: I run 2x Swift and I play solo or small group (2-4). My take is Swift should be taken out entirely. It is probably too strong and definitely weird/annoying to fight against. It doesn't jive with the feel of the game.

Lexxypwns

Swift is ok. You trade damage for escapbility

Ranger209

People can run just as fast without swift as they can with it, the floor is higher but the ceiling is the same.

Mrsinister2

These threads need to stop if swift gets nerfed I'm not sure I can go back to slowplar after finally having a little mobility on a very slow class.

Qbiken

Biro123 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Every single Swift jewel can be countered by another Swift jewel. If you're not willing to sacrifice Arcane or Robust, that's your problem.

That's kind of the definition of over-performing.

Thing with swift is that you don´t really sacrificing anything. Swift increases your suvivability more than any other trait I´ve tested. Like, you don´t need to use skills to heal yourself if your enemy can´t hit you in the first place.

And you barely lose any damage by using swift, it´s neglectable.

lostcloud

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Every single Swift jewel can be countered by another Swift jewel. If you're not willing to sacrifice Arcane or Robust, that's your problem.

Not necessarily true. If the game worked perfectly this would be true. But because the game has issues calculating and registering clint position vs server position, you can be wearing swift right on the tailbone of someone also wearing swift and you will not land a single melee attack because your not "in range".

When you come up against an opponent with 3 swift running on sub 100 ping, with 300ms plus myself being from AU it can become near impossible to hit them. They simply run rings around me, even with gap closers and hard cc can be quite annoying to take them down. But it is what it is.

coplannb16_ESO

the amount of Swift-cheese, specially in IC during this Event is Epic. if any dev thought it would be a good idea having XX people running around pillars trying to hit a single guy abusing Swift (and ultimatively lag). it wouldnt be too bad if if it was just about escaping, but this is also means that single guy can kill one of the enemies after the other without having anything to worry About. also it shouldnt stack on top of expedition-buffs and sprint imho.
basically you either run 3 Swift or you stay out of PvP these days.

Great game design, not!

josh.lackey_ESO

The problem is that the most powerful defense in the game is LoS, and swift is a substantial buff to LoS.

Gilvoth

swift jewelry is Not overperforming.

there is a speed CAP

also:
you can cast "rapid manuvers" does the exact same thing

also:
this armor set does the exact same thing

Cowards set.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery

(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery

(5 items) While Sprinting you gain Major Expedition and Major Protection, increasing your Movement Speed and reducing your damage taken by 30%.


swift jewelry is Not overperforming.
please allow people and eso alone and allowed to play without all these Massive amounts of NERF Requests constantly.

right now as allways every class in both sneak speeds as well as running speeds is like crawling inMUD.
i hate it and i know for a fact im not alone in that.
please stop asking for speeds to be nerfed.

Gilvoth

right now as allways every class in both sneak speeds as well as running speeds is like crawling inMUD.
i hate it and i know for a fact im not alone in that.
please stop asking for speeds to be nerfed.

Gilvoth

"nothing wrong nor shamefull with running away from a fight, return later when you have friends or your more equipt to handle that battle."

want to know where i got that sentence from?
it's from the wording on both and eso AND morrowind LOADING screen

and its completely truth, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being allowed to escape a fight.

Lexxypwns

@Qbiken 3x robust jewels is about as much stam as hulking Draugr. So no, the damage loss isn’t negligible