New form of fun pvp

Micah_Bayer

Bounty hunting. Ah...that would be amazing. Gathering some info off of the bounty sheet of the whereabouts of the so called hunted was last seen which updates every five minutes would be awesome and fun. Too many thieves are roaming about without a care in the world.

Darlon

No.

Aebaradath

Wouldn't work.

Just imagine being on the hunt, hours of hard work, tracking your prey with your Witcher sen-- uhm, scratch the last part. Anyway, your target sees you and goes all "OGM OMG OMG. he's here! mom pull the plug! PULL DA PLUG! aaaah aaaaaaaaaah AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

Micah_Bayer

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Wouldn't work.

Just imagine being on the hunt, hours of hard work, tracking your prey with your Witcher sen-- uhm, scratch the last part. Anyway, your target sees you and goes all "OGM OMG OMG. he's here! mom pull the plug! PULL DA PLUG! aaaah aaaaaaaaaah AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

That would be so much fun lol..The rewards part would be difficult..Might have to make it worth the effort in tracking someone down. But ya know I just thought if people liked role-playing as a dark brotherhood character or Morag tong as many do, one might have to actually have to assassinate something other than an npc with one button.

ItsMeToo

NO

ShadowMonarch

Guessing this is in response to my thread here, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413724/new-forms-of-pvp-how-would-you-feel#latest
Every option in this thread is meant in a way to not impact pve play at all, or the play of people who want nothing to do with it. If you think there is a flaw in the system please go to that thread and read both the first and 2nd post and then comment below on it why and in a constructive manor if you agree or disagree or think the specific examples could be improved.

The bounty system in SWG would work by if X killed Y in certain pvp situations then Y would have the option to put up his own gold as a bounty on player X, there was a minium requirement of 100k so players didn't get troll 1g bountys. Then players that were hunting, in that game called Bounty Hunters, would have the option to get the mission from a terminal, which is was limited on how many people could take the mission ie attack and hunt the target at once, and would begin a in game process of tracking their target and hunting them down, upon a sucessful hunt of a player the reward would be the gold that Y used to put on X's head. There was no way to check the bounty on your own head and when you took the bounty of another player you couldn't see their name until you came face to face and were fighting them.

This system meant that Pve'ers and players who were not interested did not have to ever be effected by it, it was simply a system for pvpers.

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Wouldn't work.

Just imagine being on the hunt, hours of hard work, tracking your prey with your Witcher sen-- uhm, scratch the last part. Anyway, your target sees you and goes all "OGM OMG OMG. he's here! mom pull the plug! PULL DA PLUG! aaaah aaaaaaaaaah AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

In as passed game that this would occur in there was a system so when you logged out your character in combat wouldn't disappear from the world for 3mins, which meant if you logged out in combat or shut off the PC/pulledtheplug/ectect, you would be guaranteed to come back dead. (which isn't really a big deal if you die in eso, you don't lose anything, sure the other player gained the bounty but you haven't lost anything.) Its just another form of pvp for pvpers to have fun with and it saw great success in swg.

Turelus

Bounty systems don't work unless they have very weird limitations.

You just get the events which happened on EVE Online for years until they made a system (which isn't compatible with ESO)

When your bounty is high enough, you let a friend kill you and keep the money yourself.

vegabondgamer

The only thieves with bounties are in those towns murdering NPC's because there's no guard. Hunting them? Unlikely, you know where they are.

BaylorCorvette

Bounty Hunting in Star Wars Galaxies was amazing. Especially when Jedi's had perma death.

Inhuman003

Tournaments 1v1, 3v3, 5v5 plus brackets

RDMyers65b14_ESO

They already scrapped this idea when they scrapped the second part of the justice system.

lionofjudah7

Give us a new zone like ic but in the jungle with diff world bosses n npcs etc and a new currency

Vizier

I'd rather they add more PvP objectives throughout Cyrodiil. For instance break up each Keep's territory using the delves, towns, priories.roads, bridges, etc. Make them capturable and comparable or just under keep tower values. Maybe they cause significant impact on the campaign value and strength of keeps. This would spread out the fighting in Cyro and maybe even allow them to up the pop caps. It would promote small group play and give the whole map strategic value.

Gilvoth

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bounty hunting. Ah...that would be amazing. Gathering some info off of the bounty sheet of the whereabouts of the so called hunted was last seen which updates every five minutes would be awesome and fun. Too many thieves are roaming about without a care in the world.

i would love it.
i hope this happens.

exeeter702

Turelus wrote: »

Bounty systems don't work unless they have very weird limitations.

You just get the events which happened on EVE Online for years until they made a system (which isn't compatible with ESO)

When your bounty is high enough, you let a friend kill you and keep the money yourself.

Ive lost count of how many times ive tried to explain this to people on here who swear up and down a bounty hunting pvp justice system would be amazing.

To @Micah_Bayer sorry but it simply cant work on a fundamental level in mmos like this. The system is too easy to game. Especially in eso where bounty is generated from nothing which creates a slew of problems from an economy standpoint. The arrangements to collect woulf be highly controlled and not anywhere remotely close to being as organic as many like to believe a lucrative bounty system would be.

And on the other hand, if the incentives simply arent there, no one will even bother. Those that want to get into consensual pvp in pve areas already simply duel. And those that want the "risk" are likely stealing for pve / rp reasons.

Its an idea that would have sounded amazing in the late 90s with the advent of online mmos, but in practice, these systems universally never work out in the same sensariona fashion as they are often thought of in how they are portayed in other film or tv.

exeeter702

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Bounty Hunting in Star Wars Galaxies was amazing. Especially when Jedi's had perma death.

It was anything but amazing lol... its actually a poster child along with eve as to why bounty hunting systems are fundamentally flawed in mmos.

AuldWolf

Honest question: Unexpected ganking aside, would this be that different from duelling?

DeadlyPhoenix

I was really hoping with the dark brotherhood dlc we would be able to accept contracts to kill other players. After all, we make a lot of people mad in this world so surely there would be several willing to perform the black sacrament to have a player taken out.

Serjustin19

There used to be bounty hunting (gold wise unofficially) now there a bounty for receiving teabag's, unofficially by my Guild leader and friend. Teabag's because I refuse go back ad in pvp (at this time) so in way bounty still in game. It's rather if you find them, or you find people who does to you. Especially say person (like my friend) keeping scores of how much. Supposedly it's 30 teabag's I suppose to get. But received 4 so far. (unofficially still a bounty)

evoniee

Ah, it seems interesting to have thqt kinda quest to add for darkbrotherhood dlc. But make sure dont make the hunted get some loss.
I think its okay to make the quest once per 24 hours.and if yhe hunter killed by hunter, the mission fail and not available for 24 hours.

ZOS_Holden

Hi there, @Micah_Bayer.

Bounty hunting as a new form of pvp sounds like a great idea and we can definitely imagine the fun, tense moments a system like that could lead to in-game! We obviously can't promise this idea will make it in game, but thanks for sharing we really appreciate it.

DuskMarine

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

Hi there, @Micah_Bayer.

Bounty hunting as a new form of pvp sounds like a great idea and we can definitely imagine the fun, tense moments a system like that could lead to in-game! We obviously can't promise this idea will make it in game, but thanks for sharing we really appreciate it.

if done right itd be a great idea..........but as the current pvp is cough unplayable due to stutter cough cough itd be probly the worlds worst idea ever.

Arobain

rolling at all the thieves making millions of gold saying " NO! " at this great idea lol

Micah_Bayer

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

Hi there, @Micah_Bayer.

Bounty hunting as a new form of pvp sounds like a great idea and we can definitely imagine the fun, tense moments a system like that could lead to in-game! We obviously can't promise this idea will make it in game, but thanks for sharing we really appreciate it.

Thank you for giving your opinion on the idea. I just thought of it because it would be more immersive and add an extra layer to the justice system. It seems kind of bare bones atm with nothing but unkillable guards to be worried about.

Davor

What happens if we kill the bounty hunter? Do we get to keep his loot? There has to be a big trade off for failing and especially dying. So if the bounty hunter looses what he wears PERMANENTLY and the person who killed him keeps it, it could be fair.

It would make you think twice before trying to kill someone if you loose your armour/weapon you worked so hard to het and be able to loose it and start over again to regain it.

Prabooo

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

Hi there, @Micah_Bayer.

Bounty hunting as a new form of pvp sounds like a great idea and we can definitely imagine the fun, tense moments a system like that could lead to in-game! We obviously can't promise this idea will make it in game, but thanks for sharing we really appreciate it.

Project yer dreams... and let them go...

MrGarlic

No.

There would be some hardened PvP player(s) with heavy armour PvP gear loitering at every crafting drop off point just waiting for someone to accidentally loot something instead of putting their crafting items into the boxes. Then they would pounce on the unfortunate crafter and kill them.

What about the sneak-thief (in full medium sneak gear) trying hard to pickpocket risky nobles in search of that elusive throne blueprint. One slip-up or bad lag moment later, 5 PvPers pounce on him/her/mer and kill them without chance of a fight back.

Insta-death.

Where's the fun in that? Seriously?

The disparity between sneak-gear and PvP gear is too far apart to allow this to happen. Sneak-thieves would have absolutely no survival chance.

The whole concept is just so heavily weighted in favour of the PvP aspect that it could end up ruining an entirely enjoyable section of the game.

ShadowMonarch

MrGarlic wrote: »

No.

There would be some hardened PvP player(s) with heavy armour PvP gear loitering at every crafting drop off point just waiting for someone to accidentally loot something instead of putting their crafting items into the boxes. Then they would pounce on the unfortunate crafter and kill them.

What about the sneak-thief (in full medium sneak gear) trying hard to pickpocket risky nobles in search of that elusive throne blueprint. One slip-up or bad lag moment later, 5 PvPers pounce on him/her/mer and kill them without chance of a fight back.

Insta-death.

Where's the fun in that? Seriously?

The disparity between sneak-gear and PvP gear is too far apart to allow this to happen. Sneak-thieves would have absolutely no survival chance.

The whole concept is just so heavily weighted in favour of the PvP aspect that it could end up ruining an entirely enjoyable section of the game.

You clearly based your opinion off of your own depiction of the system.

SugaComa

Yes and no ... Personally I think when you die that person gets a bounty on their head for killing you , that bounty increases with every kill they get untill they die then instead of the message you avenged X by killing y

It says something about avenging and claiming your bounty you get a reward for the worthy but it's cash isn't 250 it's the bounty claimed on that person

JamieAubrey

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bounty hunting. Ah...that would be amazing. Gathering some info off of the bounty sheet of the whereabouts of the so called hunted was last seen which updates every five minutes would be awesome and fun. Too many thieves are roaming about without a care in the world.

Suspect last seen at Alessia bridge

5 min update

Suspect last seen at Alessia bridge

5 min update

Suspect last seen at Alessia bridge

Doctordarkspawn

The entire notion was disproved back when the PVP part of the justice system was dis-mantled.

It wont work unless in Cyro and even then, it's likely going to need more work than is worth it.

Do it, and I guarentee the justice system will never see use again.