Are you OK with the upcoming jewelry craft grind?

lihentian

Before you vote, i want to make several things clear.
1st. it take 20 mat to green, 30 to blue, 40 to purple, and 80 gold mat to gold your jewelry.
2nd, think about wirt and master wirt. would you ever consider spend 80 gold mat to complete such master wirt?
3rd, they are releasing true elite gear which are superior to normal gold equipment that can only be acquire through veteran hard trial. so crafting and normal gold equipment are now inferior
4th, to craft certain trait you will have to buy trait stone from master wirt vendor and pvp vendor. they do not drop these special trait stone.

Cadbury

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

Meh. It'll do.

Shardan4968

Jewelry crafting??

I don't have anything better to do with my life anyway. I think it sounds fun. I enjoy relaxing exploring and picking up nodes, so maybe I'll enjoy this aswell.

Zordrage

Hell no, this is insane..

driosketch

I don't care

Yes it's a huge grind up front. But like nirn and housing mats, in a year I'll have a craft bag full of jewelry mats anyways.

grumlins

I don't care

Yep I am, because it's not a grind since there are already well established systems of gearing. Additionally, jewelry is not one of those cosmetic things we really can't see these items on our characters.

Thannazzar

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

Tbh the difference between purple and gold jewelry is so minimal that I wouldn't bother upgrading. I'll wait for the golden vendor rotation and buy with ap since there is little else to spend it on.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Thannazzar wrote: »

Tbh the difference between purple and gold jewelry is so minimal that I wouldn't bother upgrading. I'll wait for the golden vendor rotation and buy with ap since there is little else to spend it on.

but have you consider set bonus, trait bonus, and enhancement bonus? also don't you care about master wirt? spend 80 gold mat to craft a master writ??

boombazookajd

I don't care

We'll see when it hits the live server. I'm going to reserve judgement until then.

Anotherone773

Totally, in fact i want more grind. lets make it 800 gold mat to golden a single piece of jewelry.

The sky is falling the sky is falling! I picked the most ridiculous option by the way. But i would like to make a couple of serious points:

1) this is on test. There is a reason its called TEST server. It is used to test things. So getting in a tizzy about something that isnt even live yet is completely pointless. Im pretty sure there will be quite a few adjustments made before the live version drops and not all of those will be seen on PTS.

2) Woodworking upgrade mats are used on two items at most. Rosin is currently averaging 3k/each. Clothing mats on a max of 7 items, Dreugh Wax is currently averaging 4.9k each. Smithing mats can be used on up to 9 items, Tempers are at 7.1k each. So you would need a max of 16 rosin, 56 dreugh wax, or 72 tempers.(Note: im ignoring other variables such as second weapon and your craft passive being not max). This is reflected in the price of the mats.

Jewelry has exactly 3 slots so 24 gold upgrade mats. So if you make it like the other mats then your going to be somewhere between rosin and wax in price and probably closer to rosin. They likely want to make it a bit more expensive to upgrade jewels. So i would expect it be as much as tempers or twice as much in "cost" to upgrade.

So, it nots going to be OMG THE GRIND! as bad as people think it is, more than likely. I would also like to point out this is the LEAST grindy MMO of any i have played when it comes to gear in some 15 years or more. So lets not get all doomsday if you have to put a little bit of effort into something that might, but probably wont, make you leet.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Anotherone773 wrote: »

The sky is falling the sky is falling! I picked the most ridiculous option by the way. But i would like to make a couple of serious points:

1) this is on test. There is a reason its called TEST server. It is used to test things. So getting in a tizzy about something that isnt even live yet is completely pointless. Im pretty sure there will be quite a few adjustments made before the live version drops and not all of those will be seen on PTS.

2) Woodworking upgrade mats are used on two items at most. Rosin is currently averaging 3k/each. Clothing mats on a max of 7 items, Dreugh Wax is currently averaging 4.9k each. Smithing mats can be used on up to 9 items, Tempers are at 7.1k each. So you would need a max of 16 rosin, 56 dreugh wax, or 72 tempers.(Note: im ignoring other variables such as second weapon and your craft passive being not max). This is reflected in the price of the mats.

Jewelry has exactly 3 slots so 24 gold upgrade mats. So if you make it like the other mats then your going to be somewhere between rosin and wax in price and probably closer to rosin. They likely want to make it a bit more expensive to upgrade jewels. So i would expect it be as much as tempers or twice as much in "cost" to upgrade.

So, it nots going to be OMG THE GRIND! as bad as people think it is, more than likely. I would also like to point out this is the LEAST grindy MMO of any i have played when it comes to gear in some 15 years or more. So lets not get all doomsday if you have to put a little bit of effort into something that might, but probably wont, make you leet.

1) yes it is on test, thats why i like to have our voice to be heard, so it might have a chance of improvement before actual release.

2)Yes jewelry require 24 bar to upgrade 3 slot. but you will never get bar directly from any where other then player trading. instead you will get dust when you refine base material or decon gold equipment. there is a video demonstrate gold jewelry decon on youtube. so basically you need 80 gold mat, not 8. when everyone need 80 of these for a single slot, i doubt the demand will be low. plus only those who bought summerset have access to jewelry crafting, the price probably higher then other crafting mat.

KingJ

Hell no, this is insane..

What what do you mean true elite gear?

redspecter23

No, this is a Bit much

I get the feeling that ZOS is trying to play it safe and be careful not to flood the game with mats. A year down the road, it will feel very out of place that one crafting system drops mats at 1/10th the rate, requires 10 times the amount necessary for upgrades and lacks a hireling like cloth/wood/blacksmithing. It will be annoying, but fine to start off this way, but I do hope it's reexamined later on and potentially brought in line with the other similar crafts to make it less grindy when the shine and newness has worn off a bit.

Jhalin

Hell no, this is insane..

100x the cost as all other equipment crafting lines...

Well, that’s a good way to make sure I never do anything but research for transmuting and sell the overpriced, artificially rare mats to make some serious bank

XGCAlbatr0ss

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

KingJ wrote: »

What what do you mean true elite gear?

He has no idea, Him and I have been going back and forth in another almost nearly identical thread/ arguement. Hes oblivious as to why it is setup this way. Check here to see what he has said about this. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/410286/best-way-to-farm-jewellery#latest

Colecovision

No, this is a Bit much

My purple bone pirates is going to be great next patch. I’ll grind to level up the craft and make something blue for fun, but I don’t expect to do more. The big variable is that I’ve never paid attention to all the jewelry I vendor. I only know it’s a lot. Maybe 40 purple isn’t that crazy. Gold is probably not happening.

Cuthceol

I don't care

I won't be crafting until next year when it becomes base game anyway lol

Anotherone773

Totally, in fact i want more grind. lets make it 800 gold mat to golden a single piece of jewelry.

lihentian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

The sky is falling the sky is falling! I picked the most ridiculous option by the way. But i would like to make a couple of serious points:

1) this is on test. There is a reason its called TEST server. It is used to test things. So getting in a tizzy about something that isnt even live yet is completely pointless. Im pretty sure there will be quite a few adjustments made before the live version drops and not all of those will be seen on PTS.

2) Woodworking upgrade mats are used on two items at most. Rosin is currently averaging 3k/each. Clothing mats on a max of 7 items, Dreugh Wax is currently averaging 4.9k each. Smithing mats can be used on up to 9 items, Tempers are at 7.1k each. So you would need a max of 16 rosin, 56 dreugh wax, or 72 tempers.(Note: im ignoring other variables such as second weapon and your craft passive being not max). This is reflected in the price of the mats.

Jewelry has exactly 3 slots so 24 gold upgrade mats. So if you make it like the other mats then your going to be somewhere between rosin and wax in price and probably closer to rosin. They likely want to make it a bit more expensive to upgrade jewels. So i would expect it be as much as tempers or twice as much in "cost" to upgrade.

So, it nots going to be OMG THE GRIND! as bad as people think it is, more than likely. I would also like to point out this is the LEAST grindy MMO of any i have played when it comes to gear in some 15 years or more. So lets not get all doomsday if you have to put a little bit of effort into something that might, but probably wont, make you leet.

1) yes it is on test, thats why i like to have our voice to be heard, so it might have a chance of improvement before actual release.

2)Yes jewelry require 24 bar to upgrade 3 slot. but you will never get bar directly from any where other then player trading. instead you will get dust when you refine base material or decon gold equipment. there is a video demonstrate gold jewelry decon on youtube. so basically you need 80 gold mat, not 8. when everyone need 80 of these for a single slot, i doubt the demand will be low. plus only those who bought summerset have access to jewelry crafting, the price probably higher then other crafting mat.

1) so we need 3 threads a day about it?Also the people who are actually testing this on PTS are the ones who matter. Everyone else is just speculating based on hearsay...aka knee jerk reactions like they always do.

2) You dont need 80 gold mats, you need 8. Again a kneejerk reaction. People just assume they are going to get 1 dust at time like they get one temper at time on occasion. As i said PTS is meant to test the system, the values on many things will be changed for testing purposes. The entire over the top reaction to JC is based entirely on assumptions. Im sure the devs are watching how much effort is being needed to make 1 mat and do an upgrade of one piece of jewelry.

Even if it is grindy who cares? Pretty much all other gear in the game is basically handed to you. " I have to grind for good gear before i can run that dungeon with you...brb"....walks over to guild trader, checks mail, walks back 5 minutes later..." Ok good to go, lets do this". That is literally how gear grinding in this game is. And all content can be ran in crafted gear so it really is that easy. So if one little thing is harder that we been living without for 4 years, that is ok. We lived 4 years without being to craft our own jewels, im sure we will survive until we casually grind the mats to craft/upgrade them.

Vaoh

Hell no, this is insane..

I want it to be consistent with the six crafts that already exist in the game. 20/30/40/80 mats for a single upgrade is not consistent.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Anotherone773 wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

The sky is falling the sky is falling! I picked the most ridiculous option by the way. But i would like to make a couple of serious points:

1) this is on test. There is a reason its called TEST server. It is used to test things. So getting in a tizzy about something that isnt even live yet is completely pointless. Im pretty sure there will be quite a few adjustments made before the live version drops and not all of those will be seen on PTS.

2) Woodworking upgrade mats are used on two items at most. Rosin is currently averaging 3k/each. Clothing mats on a max of 7 items, Dreugh Wax is currently averaging 4.9k each. Smithing mats can be used on up to 9 items, Tempers are at 7.1k each. So you would need a max of 16 rosin, 56 dreugh wax, or 72 tempers.(Note: im ignoring other variables such as second weapon and your craft passive being not max). This is reflected in the price of the mats.

Jewelry has exactly 3 slots so 24 gold upgrade mats. So if you make it like the other mats then your going to be somewhere between rosin and wax in price and probably closer to rosin. They likely want to make it a bit more expensive to upgrade jewels. So i would expect it be as much as tempers or twice as much in "cost" to upgrade.

So, it nots going to be OMG THE GRIND! as bad as people think it is, more than likely. I would also like to point out this is the LEAST grindy MMO of any i have played when it comes to gear in some 15 years or more. So lets not get all doomsday if you have to put a little bit of effort into something that might, but probably wont, make you leet.

1) yes it is on test, thats why i like to have our voice to be heard, so it might have a chance of improvement before actual release.

2)Yes jewelry require 24 bar to upgrade 3 slot. but you will never get bar directly from any where other then player trading. instead you will get dust when you refine base material or decon gold equipment. there is a video demonstrate gold jewelry decon on youtube. so basically you need 80 gold mat, not 8. when everyone need 80 of these for a single slot, i doubt the demand will be low. plus only those who bought summerset have access to jewelry crafting, the price probably higher then other crafting mat.

1) so we need 3 threads a day about it?Also the people who are actually testing this on PTS are the ones who matter. Everyone else is just speculating based on hearsay...aka knee jerk reactions like they always do.

2) You dont need 80 gold mats, you need 8. Again a kneejerk reaction. People just assume they are going to get 1 dust at time like they get one temper at time on occasion. As i said PTS is meant to test the system, the values on many things will be changed for testing purposes. The entire over the top reaction to JC is based entirely on assumptions. Im sure the devs are watching how much effort is being needed to make 1 mat and do an upgrade of one piece of jewelry.

Even if it is grindy who cares? Pretty much all other gear in the game is basically handed to you. " I have to grind for good gear before i can run that dungeon with you...brb"....walks over to guild trader, checks mail, walks back 5 minutes later..." Ok good to go, lets do this". That is literally how gear grinding in this game is. And all content can be ran in crafted gear so it really is that easy. So if one little thing is harder that we been living without for 4 years, that is ok. We lived 4 years without being to craft our own jewels, im sure we will survive until we casually grind the mats to craft/upgrade them.

There is a video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxEuGCp-MZc watch it yourself. see how many dust you get each time you decon a gold gear. as for refine raw material there is no video fully dedicate to it, but it does show in several jewel craft related video.

it is not grindy, it is insanely grindy.. also consider master wirt, would you bother doing these wirt that require 80 gold mat?

edit: in the video she decon total of 100 gold ring, she start with 520 dust and end with 592 dust. s so 100 gold ring give 72 dust. decon 100 gold jewelry and you don't even have enough for one gold upgrade. is this really the grind you willing to accept? for me? there are so many easier way to get gold jewelry.. i won't bother.. but the key is to make this profession useful, not something that purely grind and wasting time.

edit: upload an screen shot for people who do not wish to go through the boring video

Kodrac

No, this is a Bit much

It doesn't have to be Provisioning easy but if it's worse than Enchanting then definitely no.

Oakmontowls_ESO

No, this is a Bit much

Anotherone773 wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

The sky is falling the sky is falling! I picked the most ridiculous option by the way. But i would like to make a couple of serious points:

1) this is on test. There is a reason its called TEST server. It is used to test things. So getting in a tizzy about something that isnt even live yet is completely pointless. Im pretty sure there will be quite a few adjustments made before the live version drops and not all of those will be seen on PTS.

2) Woodworking upgrade mats are used on two items at most. Rosin is currently averaging 3k/each. Clothing mats on a max of 7 items, Dreugh Wax is currently averaging 4.9k each. Smithing mats can be used on up to 9 items, Tempers are at 7.1k each. So you would need a max of 16 rosin, 56 dreugh wax, or 72 tempers.(Note: im ignoring other variables such as second weapon and your craft passive being not max). This is reflected in the price of the mats.

Jewelry has exactly 3 slots so 24 gold upgrade mats. So if you make it like the other mats then your going to be somewhere between rosin and wax in price and probably closer to rosin. They likely want to make it a bit more expensive to upgrade jewels. So i would expect it be as much as tempers or twice as much in "cost" to upgrade.

So, it nots going to be OMG THE GRIND! as bad as people think it is, more than likely. I would also like to point out this is the LEAST grindy MMO of any i have played when it comes to gear in some 15 years or more. So lets not get all doomsday if you have to put a little bit of effort into something that might, but probably wont, make you leet.

1) yes it is on test, thats why i like to have our voice to be heard, so it might have a chance of improvement before actual release.

2)Yes jewelry require 24 bar to upgrade 3 slot. but you will never get bar directly from any where other then player trading. instead you will get dust when you refine base material or decon gold equipment. there is a video demonstrate gold jewelry decon on youtube. so basically you need 80 gold mat, not 8. when everyone need 80 of these for a single slot, i doubt the demand will be low. plus only those who bought summerset have access to jewelry crafting, the price probably higher then other crafting mat.

1) so we need 3 threads a day about it?Also the people who are actually testing this on PTS are the ones who matter. Everyone else is just speculating based on hearsay...aka knee jerk reactions like they always do.

2) You dont need 80 gold mats, you need 8. Again a kneejerk reaction. People just assume they are going to get 1 dust at time like they get one temper at time on occasion. As i said PTS is meant to test the system, the values on many things will be changed for testing purposes. The entire over the top reaction to JC is based entirely on assumptions. Im sure the devs are watching how much effort is being needed to make 1 mat and do an upgrade of one piece of jewelry.

Even if it is grindy who cares? Pretty much all other gear in the game is basically handed to you. " I have to grind for good gear before i can run that dungeon with you...brb"....walks over to guild trader, checks mail, walks back 5 minutes later..." Ok good to go, lets do this". That is literally how gear grinding in this game is. And all content can be ran in crafted gear so it really is that easy. So if one little thing is harder that we been living without for 4 years, that is ok. We lived 4 years without being to craft our own jewels, im sure we will survive until we casually grind the mats to craft/upgrade them.

Like other people have said, these 10th of a gold mats drop as often as normal gold mats do. So we will need the equivalent of 240 gold mats to upgrade one set of jewelry.

AlnilamE

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

Kodrac wrote: »

It doesn't have to be Provisioning easy but if it's worse than Enchanting then definitely no.

Enchanting is not that bad. The mats are so cheap these days that you can power level it easily if you want.

sharquez

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Ley

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

LiquidPony

I don't care

On one hand, I do think the grind is a bit much.

On the other, I'm really enjoying seeing the same people who throw a hissy-fit at the suggestion that the CP grind should reduced complain about the jewelry crafting grind.

In fact, someone in this very thread posted the following when I suggested that Enlightenment be increased from 400k to 600k:

"So please, spare me the 'earning cp is too haarrrrdd' whining."

So please, spare me the "jewelry crafting is too haarrrrdd" whining.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

LiquidPony wrote: »

On one hand, I do think the grind is a bit much.

On the other, I'm really enjoying seeing the same people who throw a hissy-fit at the suggestion that the CP grind should reduced complain about the jewelry crafting grind.

In fact, someone in this very thread posted the following when I suggested that Enlightenment be increased from 400k to 600k:

"So please, spare me the 'earning cp is too haarrrrdd' whining."

So please, spare me the "jewelry crafting is too haarrrrdd" whining.

so 240 gold mat for a set of three piece jewelry is actually not too much for you?

Ley

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to cough up the money or make due with purple/blue jewelry. Assuming I can't get it via other means in game.

Everyone seems to be fixated on the cost/grind to make gold jewelry. I'm just happy I'll be able to craft jewelry for sets that didn't have jewelry previously.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

No, this is a Bit much

I think they either need to do away with the 1/10th nonsense, or buff the rates at which they are dropped. I am fine with not being able to max this out in a day. I am fine with a Gold Ring requiring more effort than a gold armor piece. I just think they went a little too far on this one.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to cough up the money or make due with purple/blue jewelry. Assuming I can't get it via other means in game.

Everyone seems to be fixated on the cost/grind to make gold jewelry. I'm just happy I'll be able to craft jewelry for sets that didn't have jewelry previously.

so you would pay around 2 million gold for one set upgrade.. maybe total 3 million for full set of three piece jewelry crafted? you do realize that they require 10 times more for every step of the crafting.. right? that include trait stone, and some trait stone are sold by special vendor only. like there is one that can only be purchase via master wirt merchant.

p.s. with the insane amount of mat required to do jewelry crafting, these mat are probably way more expensive then all current mat... 3 million is only a late game estimate at first release most likely will cost way more gold and effort.

Lylith

Hell no, this is insane..

i think it's absurd, but my opinion doesn't mean ***.

the abusive relationship continues.