Razum dar's face looks a little...

Dracane

I wish to remind you, that Summerset plays years after the main story and the first encounters with Raz.
It's natural, that over the cause of years, someone changes ever so slightly.

Recremen

Everstorm wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Raz is dead.

Turelus Why do you have to hurt me like that?

Look, I am just saying some of us made some choices in which he didn't come out of well off.
I know "Raz" turned up again at a later date, but can we truly be sure it's the same Raz?

@Turelus

Kinda spoilers so behind a tag, but

Yes, it's the same Raz. The first time you talk with him after that quest where he "dies" from falling rocks you find out that he escaped with some dodging and weaving, but got rather injured in the process. Here, have a timestamped video featuring the dialogue you missed.

I'm pretty damn sure they added that later on, he was dead as a doornail on my first character, pre Dark Brotherhood.

@Everstorm and @Turelus

Nope, it was in vanilla! I remember back in the first few months of the game when I was doing All The Quests, I heard some bad things about Senalana and saved it until I had already finished to AD main story, since I didn't want to lose him unless I absolutely had to. Lo and behold, though, after finishing Senalana and going back to see him again, he gave me this dialogue! It's just easy to miss or skip because he only says it once, I believe.

swippy

SantieClaws wrote: »

To all those wondering if Raz is alive or not.

He exists in both states yes until you open the box.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Savos_Saren wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

To all those wondering if Raz is alive or not.

He exists in both states yes until you open the box.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Unfortunately, some people won't get the meaning of this. Brilliant, though!

@SantieClaws @Savos_Saren

the best joke i've heard about this is that the cat was fully aware of the parameters of the experiment, and made an informed decision for the chance to be in a box.

swippy

Dracane wrote: »

I wish to remind you, that Summerset plays years after the main story and the first encounters with Raz.
It's natural, that over the cause of years, someone changes ever so slightly.

of course we can't ignore the possibility that he was kidnapped and murdered by the Hollywood elite, and then replaced with a look-alike in order to appease the masses and further their secretive insidious agenda.

#wakeupsheeple

VaranisArano

swippy wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wish to remind you, that Summerset plays years after the main story and the first encounters with Raz.
It's natural, that over the cause of years, someone changes ever so slightly.

of course we can't ignore the possibility that he was kidnapped and murdered by the Hollywood elite, and then replaced with a look-alike in order to appease the masses and further their secretive insidious agenda.

#wakeupsheeple

What have you done?!


Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1013/

Maryal

Everstorm wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Raz is dead.

Turelus Why do you have to hurt me like that?

Look, I am just saying some of us made some choices in which he didn't come out of well off.
I know "Raz" turned up again at a later date, but can we truly be sure it's the same Raz?

@Turelus

Kinda spoilers so behind a tag, but

Yes, it's the same Raz. The first time you talk with him after that quest where he "dies" from falling rocks you find out that he escaped with some dodging and weaving, but got rather injured in the process. Here, have a timestamped video featuring the dialogue you missed.

I'm pretty damn sure they added that later on, he was dead as a doornail on my first character, pre Dark Brotherhood.

He died when I did that quest line too ... nearly 3 years ago. He died ... I remember getting really sad ... so sad that I had tears running down my cheeks.

Maryal

Violynne wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

I though he died too, at the end of the quest line in the base game. So, how is it that he is alive now?

He explains it, if you actually took the time to notice him standing in the crowd before we walked the Path of Jone and Jode.

It had nothing to do with the path of Jone and Jode ... in fact, that quest (Jone/Jode) was bugged for me for the longest time ... a year after I started playing the game was when I was finally able to complete the Jone/Jode quest. Anyway, Raz died in some sort of a ruin. He was willing to die and gave my toon instructions on what to do, even though that meant he would die. That's why I was so sad. I guess there was an option to save him and forgo the ancient artifact, but at the time, I didn't realize I had a choice.

MacCait

Turelus wrote: »

Raz is dead.

Nothing can kill Raz... he'd just find a way around it

Chrlynsch

Turelus wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Raz is dead.

Turelus Why do you have to hurt me like that?

Look, I am just saying some of us made some choices in which he didn't come out of well off.
I know "Raz" turned up again at a later date, but can we truly be sure it's the same Raz?

Undo OP

SpiderKnight

Izaki wrote: »

That chick though... I hope that she actually has a role in-game. Because that is by far the most badass Altmer I've seen to date in any TES titles. (Naryu is Dunmer, which makes it a different category.)

Is that actually an Altmer though? I've always seen her as Bosmer since the first cinematic trailers, she is holding a bosmer sword, not to say she has to use her own racial style weapon but it would seem odd I guess.

EvilAutoTech

neverwalk wrote: »

Raz is DEAD in my game

It just so happens that your friend here is only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead.

starkerealm

Turelus wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Raz is dead.

Turelus Why do you have to hurt me like that?

Look, I am just saying some of us made some choices in which he didn't come out of well off.
I know "Raz" turned up again at a later date, but can we truly be sure it's the same Raz?

Didn't you know? Raz is Molag Bal. He can't be killed.

VaranisArano

SpiderKnight wrote: »

Probably from nearly getting crushed to death.

Izaki wrote: »

That chick though... I hope that she actually has a role in-game. Because that is by far the most badass Altmer I've seen to date in any TES titles. (Naryu is Dunmer, which makes it a different category.)

Is that actually an Altmer though? I've always seen her as Bosmer since the first cinematic trailers, she is holding a bosmer sword, not to say she has to use her own racial style weapon but it would seem odd I guess.

She's got magic like the Altmer are supposed to and there are Bosmer in the other cinematic trailers with a much more Bosmer-looking armor. Given that there aren't any other Altmer in the cinematics, I think we're meant to assume that she's an Altmer (who doesn't tower over the Nord and who has suspiciously pale skin and human looking features, so I think there's some human ancestry there.)

Aebaradath

SpiderKnight wrote: »

Probably from nearly getting crushed to death.

Izaki wrote: »

That chick though... I hope that she actually has a role in-game. Because that is by far the most badass Altmer I've seen to date in any TES titles. (Naryu is Dunmer, which makes it a different category.)

Is that actually an Altmer though? I've always seen her as Bosmer since the first cinematic trailers, she is holding a bosmer sword, not to say she has to use her own racial style weapon but it would seem odd I guess.

She's an Altmer. I can smell one from a mile away.

At least she's an interesting Altmer. Would be a nice surprise to see her in-game.

VaranisArano

Maryal wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

I though he died too, at the end of the quest line in the base game. So, how is it that he is alive now?

He explains it, if you actually took the time to notice him standing in the crowd before we walked the Path of Jone and Jode.

It had nothing to do with the path of Jone and Jode ... in fact, that quest (Jone/Jode) was bugged for me for the longest time ... a year after I started playing the game was when I was finally able to complete the Jone/Jode quest. Anyway, Raz died in some sort of a ruin. He was willing to die and gave my toon instructions on what to do, even though that meant he would die. That's why I was so sad. I guess there was an option to save him and forgo the ancient artifact, but at the time, I didn't realize I had a choice.

So, yeah, you get the choice to leave Raz to die or not.

Later in the questline, when you do the final walk of the path of Jone and Jode with and the confrontation with the Tharn kid, you can see Raz again with Ayrenn, Gwaering and the Silvenar. His dialogue varies based on what you chose, but he does explain that he survived, no matter what you chose.

So you can decided whether or not to leave him to die, but ZOS saves him either way.

Major Spoilers for the Reapers march questline in video. Razum-Dar part starts at 1:40, with dialogue for the choice where you left him to die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psfp2rxUAV0

dcam86b14_ESO

I melted and screamed when I heard his voice in the trailer. By far on my list of memorable NPCs in video games.

Nemesis7884

VaranisArano wrote: »

Razum-dar looks very nice and adventursome in the promo pic:


But he lacks a little certain something. This is the Raz I know and adore.

i think he looks better now, more matured, adventerous

bongtokin420insd16

Schrödinger's Raz..... It is truly a beautiful think yes?