Lets tackle a hard topic. How about a unified auction house?

Knowledge

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Taleof2Cities

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Judas Helviaryn

Invincible

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Look! Another thread about about a change that 100% of the player who aren't zeni fan bois want!

4 years of begging for this, maybe we'll get it in another 4.

Emma_Overload

OP, I highly recommend you change your post so that the words "auction house" are renamed to something else. Auction houses have been discussed to death since 2014, and it's clear that ZOS doesn't want one and doesn't care about the problems it would solve.

I suggest an alternate strategy: How about asking for a unified guild store SEARCH functionality? This way we could search for an item at a bank, and see prices and locations for ALL guild stores at once.

Gythral

Let's stop flogging this 5 year old dead horse!
(much as I want a global trade option)

Kova

This isn't a market simulator. This is a magical mmorpg that is still trying it's best to be unique, despite the numerous changes made to suplicate people that dont like that it's not like another game they like.

Nothing keeps you from selling in zone or joining a guild. I've been in a big trade guild for years and haven't sold something in 3 months. Still haven't been kicked.

Honestly, the only time I see people having a difficult time with trading is when they don't really like playing the game so they don't invest effort into selling, or when they finally get into a guild they behave like an arrogant, cringey jerk.

Beardimus

I think the OP enjoys contentious debates, but hey ill indulge him.

Us ESO fans don't want an AH. Current system is cool bar a search function would be nice. But you already know that as there are a million dead AH threads on here and this debate has been had before generally by casuals, noobies from WOW or people wanting an argument.

HOWEVER. you sir have the oddest argument yet. In short you argue that a globalised auction facility IS open to manipulation as with those add ons and yet are PRO auction house basically.so everyone can manipulate not just those with add ons. That's some wild angle indeed!!

Lastly please remember you are speaking for a third of the community, the other lot are consoles and don't have add ons thank goodness.

Regardless, as per all.other threads on this. Flat no, ESO system is great if you use it right and efficiently. Most Pro AH people dont and thus struggle.

There, indulged :- )

OrdoHermetica

It will never happen. They would have to fundamentally change a huge portion of the economic system of the game that many players have spent literally years investing in, and that's a whole lot of work that would *** off a whole lot of players. Furthermore, they knew what they were doing when they set it up this way. It wasn't an accident; the trade system is intentionally different from other MMOs with auction house setups, and they want it to be this way. People wanting an auction house system is nothing new, but they haven't cared the last 1,000 times this topic has been brought up, and they won't care the next 1,000 times, either.

This poor dead horse is clearly one of those zombie horses from the Crown Store.

Knowledge

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

It will never happen. They would have to fundamentally change a huge portion of the economic system of the game that many players have spent literally years investing in, and that's a whole lot of work that would *** off a whole lot of players. Furthermore, they knew what they were doing when they set it up this way. It wasn't an accident; the trade system is intentionally different from other MMOs with auction house setups, and they want it to be this way. People wanting an auction house system is nothing new, but they haven't cared the last 1,000 times this topic has been brought up, and they won't care the next 1,000 times, either.

This poor dead horse is clearly one of those zombie horses from the Crown Store.

Never say never. You may be surprised.

OrdoHermetica

Knowledge wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

It will never happen. They would have to fundamentally change a huge portion of the economic system of the game that many players have spent literally years investing in, and that's a whole lot of work that would *** off a whole lot of players. Furthermore, they knew what they were doing when they set it up this way. It wasn't an accident; the trade system is intentionally different from other MMOs with auction house setups, and they want it to be this way. People wanting an auction house system is nothing new, but they haven't cared the last 1,000 times this topic has been brought up, and they won't care the next 1,000 times, either.

This poor dead horse is clearly one of those zombie horses from the Crown Store.

Never say never. You may be surprised.

I mean, sure. In theory, they could undo a system they've doubled down on for several years and alienate all the people who have invested huge amounts of time and money into trade guilds.

In theory, they could also decide to remove sorcerers from the game, because a lot of people really don't like them. I'd say the likelihood of either happening is about equal.

paulsimonps

preevious

The system we have now is actually pretty excellent.
I know it was made because the mega-server couldn't handle a global auction house, and thus was made for all the wrong reasons ..
But it doesn't matter, because the merchant guilds system is incredibly superior to all the global AH I have seen in many MMO.

More immersive, allowing the crafty player to have an actual impact on the economy, and allowing players to make money by buying low, selling at market price.

Please, powers that be .. never, never change it .. the system we have now is pure genius.

Knowledge

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

It will never happen. They would have to fundamentally change a huge portion of the economic system of the game that many players have spent literally years investing in, and that's a whole lot of work that would *** off a whole lot of players. Furthermore, they knew what they were doing when they set it up this way. It wasn't an accident; the trade system is intentionally different from other MMOs with auction house setups, and they want it to be this way. People wanting an auction house system is nothing new, but they haven't cared the last 1,000 times this topic has been brought up, and they won't care the next 1,000 times, either.

This poor dead horse is clearly one of those zombie horses from the Crown Store.

Never say never. You may be surprised.

I mean, sure. In theory, they could undo a system they've doubled down on for several years and alienate all the people who have invested huge amounts of time and money into trade guilds.

In theory, they could also decide to remove sorcerers from the game, because a lot of people really don't like them. I'd say the likelihood of either happening is about equal.

Star Wars: Galaxies NGE. Have you heard of it?

Radinyn

Go away

VaranisArano

How are you planning to safeguard the unified auction house against the market manipulation you claim is so destructive to the guild system?

Convenience is a fine reason to want an auction house. Protection from market manipulation, judging by other MMOs, is not a good reason.

Avran_Sylt

Maintaining and creating it would siphon resources and manpower away from the base game. It'll make it easier to buy and sell, but at the same time allow price fixing and market manipulation to be easier. Managing the market would require more resources and manpower.

If you're unaware, the community has already created a type of 3rd party auction house, known as Tamriel Trade Center. Wonderful tool, and really easy to figure out who's buying low and reselling high. Gorram Scalpers.

Ch4mpTW

I am in agreement with you, OP. I too would genuinely appreciate an auction house. This guild trader system is an absolute mess, and I truly feel as though it’s gone on enough.

Knowledge

VaranisArano wrote: »

How are you planning to safeguard the unified auction house against the market manipulation you claim is so destructive to the guild system?

Convenience is a fine reason to want an auction house. Protection from market manipulation, judging by other MMOs, is not a good reason.

The price of goods across the entire game would be visible to everyone without the need to use third party programs or websites (Tamriel Trade Center). This would prevent people from being undersold, exploited, or taken advantage of.

Anyone against this idea clearly loves exploitation and capitalizing on peoples misfortunes or lack of understanding.

Knowledge

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I am in agreement with you, OP. I too would genuinely appreciate an auction house. This guild trader system is an absolute mess, and I truly feel as though it’s gone on enough.

I agree and it is a system that fully enables people to take advantage of others.

Meld777

Ch4mpTW

Knowledge wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I am in agreement with you, OP. I too would genuinely appreciate an auction house. This guild trader system is an absolute mess, and I truly feel as though it’s gone on enough.

I agree and it is a system that fully enables people to take advantage of others.

@Knowledge I apologize to go off-topic for a brief moment, but aren’t you the individual who made the thread about how you’d quit ESO, if Crown Crates were discontinued; or removed? Yet here you are trying to make a point about something which is designed to take advantage of others... Not a good look... Not a good look at all.

Frawr

Knowledge wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I am in agreement with you, OP. I too would genuinely appreciate an auction house. This guild trader system is an absolute mess, and I truly feel as though it’s gone on enough.

I agree and it is a system that fully enables people to take advantage of others.

Everyone has equal access to information. Everyone has the same ability to do research, download addons if they want, and arm themselves with the same information held by everyone else.

The current system promotes equality of opportunity.

Do you disagree with equality of opportunity?

Carbonised

OP, you're the secret shadow account of DoctorESO, right?

You two keep posting the same topics over and over again.

DieAlteHexe

Carbonised wrote: »

OP, you're the secret shadow account of DoctorESO, right?

You two keep posting the same topics over and over again.

Heh, was just thinking the same thing.

Guarlet

Besides all the reasons that have been mentioned in this thread (and every other AH thread ever), I'm against an AH simply because the current system of bidding on guild traders provides such an effective gold sink for the game. I've played too many MMOs that have experienced ridiculous currency inflation over the years, and as far as I'm aware, that hasn't really happened in ESO. In large part because of this. Gold sinks are a good thing.

The main annoyance I have with traders is the lack of a search function, not the existence of the traders themselves.

srfrogg23

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Dude, you’re going to run out of semi-controversial topics to post if you don’t slow down a little bit.

WarMasterCyp

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

I wanted an auction house but ESO community doesn't want it.. for some reason..

Knowledge

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

I wanted an auction house but ESO community doesn't want it.. for some reason..

Individuals that love being able to exploit others for profit and take advantage of the poorly informed enjoy not having an auction house or guild trader search function.

AlienatedGoat

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Ok seriously, can you make an original thread? There's hundreds of auction house threads, you can search for them. There is one of these at least once a month if not more often.

Why do you keep making threads about old and tired arguments? Are you just looking for low hanging fruit to score controversy points?

Knowledge

Phage wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Ok seriously, can you make an original thread? There's hundreds of auction house threads, you can search for them. There is one of these at least once a month if not more often.

Why do you keep making threads about old and tired arguments? Are you just looking for low hanging fruit to score controversy points?

This topic is one that should be discussed over and over.