Cp being added to BG !! ( as of now )

montiferus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Himself

And because he's nowhere near as good as he pretends to be

LOL. Yeah that was kind of my thoughts as well. I find it interesting he hasn't posted to this thread in a bit. If he is so talented he should have nothing to hide.

Aztlan

I like the idea of having the option of CP or no CP battlegrounds.

Arkangeloski

Perma blockers siting on flags... ugh

Ihatenightblades

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Thats all we can ask for is for you to listen to is

But imo in the end people will want to do CP over non cp

Mainly because they dont like having to have multiple builds for each pve pvp and now non cp thats just too much i think but we'll see

Betsararie

I can't wait for them to ruin BGs !!

This is going to be so unfun.

tplink3r1

Finally. I haven't played it yet, i was waiting for them to add it.

Morgul667

After advertising a no CP direction ZOS is now adding CP everywhere

Good for those who like CP PVP, I personnaly prefer no-CP and am quite disappointed

HEBREWHAMMERRR

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Finally. I haven't played it yet, i was waiting for them to add it.

I have a spoiler alert for you, CP won't make any bit of difference for you in BGs. In fact, it's going to be a lot less fun.

Mihael

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

The answer is not to add cp to battle grounds instead give better rewards and make a better leaderboard/ranking systems. Yes at first more people will come but after a week of playing they will leave because the rewards are still not worth it and people are stilll being matched up against premades. Not to mention the leaderboards rewards time played instead of w/l ration or any type of skill.

Forztr

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

How can you work out which is more popular if we only have one option to choose from?

If we had a choice and one version was significantly more popular than the other the population wouldn't be split it would be playing the popular one.

The problem with battlegrounds for me is that they're badly designed.

• Four players a team is not enough for objective based pvp (except deathmatch)
• The maps are too big for straight up deathmatch.
• 4v4v4

I can add CP to the list now but since my original three keep me out it's a moot point.

You should make them 6 v 6 v 6 for the objective based modes and you should split the objective games from deathmatch in queues.

I should be your target audience for battlegrounds I enjoy PVP and I own Morrowind but the way they're done in this game doesn't interest me and having only a CP version reduces my potential participation in them from slim to none.

Solariken

Mihael wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

The answer is not to add cp to battle grounds instead give better rewards and make a better leaderboard/ranking systems. Yes at first more people will come but after a week of playing they will leave because the rewards are still not worth it and people are stilll being matched up against premades. Not to mention the leaderboards rewards time played instead of w/l ration or any type of skill.

@Mihael I agree with you on the reward aspect but I actually appreciate what ZOS tried to do with the leaderboard scoring. It's a decent balance between time investment and skill.

Playing the objectives properly and and playing strategically will rocket some players up the leaderboards way faster than other players who just go in treating every mode like deathmatch.

The current leaderboard is a much better reflection of skill than most people give it credit.

doslekis

I love battlegrounds. Have all of the achievements besides the healing and new chaosball ones.

I'm at CP 430, and I seemed to always do better in bgs than in vivec. But I can still hold my own on vivec. I think it's more of the small scale gameplay of bg that I do better in compared to the 20 man raids of cyrodiil trampling or getting trampled.

I believe the community as a whole prefers CP, or at least the option to choose.

Member when there was only one CP campaign around midyear mayhem? Vivec que was over 9000 while non CP was empty.

Champion points take time to get and I think those who got them should be rewarded. When I got to CP 160 the first thing I did was craft a new set of hundings rage and qued up for CP cyrodiil.

Yeah I died a lot, but I was able to turn in a handful of "kill x enemy x" quests by the end of the day.

gammelscroll

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Thank you @zos thats all i have to say.

Thank you for listening

yea so broken class can be even more broken with cp enable in BG

this change will destroy bg and nowone will play. Unkillable buildsmwith cp exploits and chaos ball ....soooo funnnn

you just wanna have cp enable so u can faceroll over low cp players, so you feel like you got skill

damarky

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Yes its true for PVP (cyrodiil) most go to CP Campaigns No one wants to get one shot in the middle of no where and ride back to the fight.

I like CP PVP (cyrodiil) I have over 1000 CP but for Battle Grounds it just wont work.

Now lets talk Battle Grounds where having CP will just make it not fun.

The Maps are just to small for CP Battle Grounds to work.

Example

1. Capture the Flag, CP Tank comes to take Flag off grren team all 4 from Green team try and use ultimate s and burst him down but doesn't work, CP Tank Caps and comes back again. RIP Capture the Flag
2.. domination, a team of CP tanks could stack one person each capture point no one can take Flag back Rip Domination
3. Chaosball, First CP tank picks up Chaosball scores 500 points RIP ChaosBall
4. Death Match. CP Tank thinks its fun to see if the whole team can survive the whole match not dying. Guard each other RIP Death Match.

No one wants a death match where it used to be considered good killing 20 players no deaths and 20 assists. Changing to CP Battle grounds they lucky to finish Battle Ground with 5 Kills and no deaths and 5 assists. RIP Death Match.

Look CP Battle Grounds just wont work. If you want to bring more players to Battle Grounds Make it either any one that is a sub member paying each month to play ESO can go into Battle Grounds and make the rewards better and set up a ranking system. So we get more players that can play and more players that want to play.

If you had the chance to win 500k Gold each week for being the Top 10 players for each game type I am sure we would get more players.

Alucu

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Any chance for looking at the population of all the Cyrodiil campaigns as well? Seems we have too many dead servers and 1 with too high of a pop cap to function.

Yes, we're taking a look at the campaigns to see what should change for Update 16.

If you could incentivize the population in 7 day campaigns it would be great for everyone. For those who play in vivec and sotha, so they can have a better working server strain, and for those of us who are looking for a viable alternative for a home campaign. You know, one with normal players, and not a dead PvE wasteland where cheaters, newbies and tel var farmers run amok

damarky

ZOS_GinaBruno 3 minutes of your time.

Here is what FENG RUSH said about BG's

https://youtu.be/Yzoxycg53vg?t=13m48s

13min 50 seconds to 16min 50 seconds.

Pretty much sums it up!

Ihatenightblades

Sigtric wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

If this is just a test then offer both and base conclusions on that.

Outright switching it is effectively shutting out anyone who is not at CP cap or comfortably near it.

It's effectively shutting down the only PVP in the game that anyone can join at any time and have a chance because it's a more equal footing.

It's a bad change.

Its a bad change for YOU. What about the people who actually enjoy CP they earned like myself?

Yes CP makes people more powerful BUT THATS THE POINTTT

This isnt call of duty this is a MMORPG. Taking away the grind is taking away the game.

If they take away cp there would he NO incentive for leveling cp unless you do pve.

damarky wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno 3 minutes of your time.

Here is what FENG RUSH said about BG's

https://youtu.be/Yzoxycg53vg?t=13m48s

13min 50 seconds to 16min 50 seconds.

Pretty much sums it up!

Dude nobody cares about what one streamer thinks and how he gets destroyed in cp bg.

We the people are louder than any streamer out there and thats why @ZoS listened to us

Feanor

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

If this is just a test then offer both and base conclusions on that.

Outright switching it is effectively shutting out anyone who is not at CP cap or comfortably near it.

It's effectively shutting down the only PVP in the game that anyone can join at any time and have a chance because it's a more equal footing.

It's a bad change.

Its a bad change for YOU. What about the people who actually enjoy CP they earned like myself?

Yes CP makes people more powerful BUT THATS THE POINTTT

This isnt call of duty this is a MMORPG. Taking away the grind is taking away the game.

If they take away cp there would he NO incentive for leveling cp unless you do pve.

damarky wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno 3 minutes of your time.

Here is what FENG RUSH said about BG's

https://youtu.be/Yzoxycg53vg?t=13m48s

13min 50 seconds to 16min 50 seconds.

Pretty much sums it up!

Dude nobody cares about what one streamer thinks and how he gets destroyed in cp bg.

We the people are louder than any streamer out there and thats why @ZoS listened to us

Yes, the potatoes are always louder, hence PvP is in the state it is.

montiferus

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Dude nobody cares about what one streamer thinks and how he gets destroyed in cp bg.

We the people are louder than any streamer out there and thats why @ZoS listened to us

Once again how about that gamertag?

Riggsy

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER exclusive weapon set reward with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any exclusive weapon rewards for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

Ihatenightblades

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER special weapon set with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any weapons reward for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

Non cp bg is done get over it l2p and adapt nobody wants their CP stripped in anything besides beginners such as yourself

Betsararie

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER special weapon set with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any weapons reward for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

You are 100% correct, we will never see no-cp BGs again, and we will never be given an option to choose between the two.

We will never even see an option to queue by deathmatch vs objective. We'll never get better rewards or a sophisticated ranking system. We'll never get any of that and yet that is what BGs needs. Truly a sadly fate for a failed implementation.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER special weapon set with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any weapons reward for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

Non cp bg is done get over it l2p and adapt nobody wants their CP stripped in anything besides beginners such as yourself

Don't feed the troll, the zergling is delirious.

TequilaFire

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER special weapon set with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any weapons reward for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

Non cp bg is done get over it l2p and adapt nobody wants their CP stripped in anything besides beginners such as yourself

Other way around, if you need CP for a crutch.

Jawasa

No CP or CP are just diffrent not more competativ or skilled. Fact is bg's will suck as long as They dont add a mmr matching and ranking system and then add asylum weapons for top %.

Ihatenightblades

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER special weapon set with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any weapons reward for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

Non cp bg is done get over it l2p and adapt nobody wants their CP stripped in anything besides beginners such as yourself

Other way around, if you need CP for a crutch.

We dont but like i said 99 percent of game includes CP so it would only be catering to people like you who cant take on higher cp than themselves. L2p or stick to cod

I have gone 20-0 10-0 15-0 19-1 all the time in non cp are you kidding me? Non CP is 10000x easier than cp. but non cp is for scrubs who cant kill anybody with a decent build

Crom_CCCXVI

When CP is added to BG, is probably when I quit playing entirely. CP is an abortion, a combat game where no one dies, LOL

damarky

damarky wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Yes its true for PVP (cyrodiil) most go to CP Campaigns No one wants to get one shot in the middle of no where and ride back to the fight.

I like CP PVP (cyrodiil) I have over 1000 CP but for Battle Grounds it just wont work.

Now lets talk Battle Grounds where having CP will just make it not fun.

The Maps are just to small for CP Battle Grounds to work.

Example

1. Capture the Flag, CP Tank comes to take Flag off grren team all 4 from Green team try and use ultimate s and burst him down but doesn't work, CP Tank Caps and comes back again. RIP Capture the Flag
2.. domination, a team of CP tanks could stack one person each capture point no one can take Flag back Rip Domination
3. Chaosball, First CP tank picks up Chaosball scores 500 points RIP ChaosBall
4. Death Match. CP Tank thinks its fun to see if the whole team can survive the whole match not dying. Guard each other RIP Death Match.

No one wants a death match where it used to be considered good killing 20 players no deaths and 20 assists. Changing to CP Battle grounds they lucky to finish Battle Ground with 5 Kills and no deaths and 5 assists. RIP Death Match.

Look CP Battle Grounds just wont work. If you want to bring more players to Battle Grounds Make it either any one that is a sub member paying each month to play ESO can go into Battle Grounds and make the rewards better and set up a ranking system. So we get more players that can play and more players that want to play.

If you had the chance to win 500k Gold each week for being the Top 10 players for each game type I am sure we would get more players.

Another thing to think of if they do end up giving us the option of doing Non CP BG's and CP BG's. There will be more interest for those players that want to give BG's a go as alot of players dont want to change their builds when they have already golded out there CP PVP gear. So if they base it off the first month which one players want to do. CP will win hands down.

Even the Non CP supporters will try it in the first month just so they can get a faster que and in to just double check it is going to be *** game play. As above in quote

So I really hope they dont go well based on the number of players in the first month doing BG's We will only be keeping CP BG RIP!

ecru

Forztr wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

How can you work out which is more popular if we only have one option to choose from?

If we had a choice and one version was significantly more popular than the other the population wouldn't be split it would be playing the popular one.

The problem with battlegrounds for me is that they're badly designed.

• Four players a team is not enough for objective based pvp (except deathmatch)
• The maps are too big for straight up deathmatch.
• 4v4v4

I can add CP to the list now but since my original three keep me out it's a moot point.

You should make them 6 v 6 v 6 for the objective based modes and you should split the objective games from deathmatch in queues.

I should be your target audience for battlegrounds I enjoy PVP and I own Morrowind but the way they're done in this game doesn't interest me and having only a CP version reduces my potential participation in them from slim to none.

6v6v6 is an even worse idea than 4v4v4, bg's need two teams like literally every single other game in existence, not more people on three teams. it's gonna be awesome in your amazing 6v6v6 mode when half your team dies and you get eaten 3v12.

bg's will remain dead until two larger teams are implemented. they will never, ever be a success otherwise. you can quote this post a year or two from now when even less people are queueing.

TequilaFire

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Ugh, so misguided. If you really wanted to see which was more popular you'd give us the option to choose and track the data.

But somehow you believe the popularity of CP Campaigns somehow correlates with the majority wanting CP BGs (the majority of threads on here and actual BGers say otherwise, and the CP Cyro folk have not been clamoring for it) . Or worse, that this is somehow the reason why non-CP BGs have a low population (its because you wont do what we asked: better rewards, more AP, and leader-boards to make it competitive in the long-term - I mean you're giving PVE ANOTHER special weapon set with asylum, after master and VMA, but you cant do any weapons reward for PVP....).

The reason CP is popular in Cyro is due to zergs, period. You cant zerg in a BG so expect the initial boon of new CP BG players to thin out quickly when they realize they actually have to compete. I'd bet much quicker than they did when getting their one BG win for Mid-year Mayhem. Moreover, CP Cyro is broken, has been for awhile with a number of builds, and instead of properly correcting it you choose to import those problems into the BGs.

My advice to others, enjoy non-CP BGs while we have them, because despite what ZOS says they WILL NOT bring them back after implementing CP. They will stick by their mistake then double down on how to "fix it" with some other CP/Skill nerf/balancing scheme, and we all have seen how that works out . But they will not remove CP after adding it (and admit a mistake) nor will they give us 2 options and split the population.

Non cp bg is done get over it l2p and adapt nobody wants their CP stripped in anything besides beginners such as yourself

Other way around, if you need CP for a crutch.

We dont but like i said 99 percent of game includes CP so it would only be catering to people like you who cant take on higher cp than themselves. L2p or stick to cod

I have gone 20-0 10-0 15-0 19-1 all the time in non cp are you kidding me? Non CP is 10000x easier than cp. but non cp is for scrubs who cant kill anybody with a decent build

Well then I guess a lot of us are scrubs because somehow we played this game with out CP over a year before they were introduced. CP should augment your gear so your base gear should stand up in no CP or CP modes.
If you have a good build in the first place CP is just the icing on the cake.
But closed minds are what has ruined this game in the first place.