Cp being added to BG !! ( as of now )

Slack

I bet OP plays a sorc

Ihatenightblades

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

Ihatenightblades

bubbygink wrote: »

I pretty much agree with what HEBREWHAMMER and LOKO have said in this thread. Both of you are exactly on point.

Just want to add that it is so funny seeing all these zerglings who tried out BGs on day one and got absolutely crushed, who then stopped doing BGs because of that, now be like "oh hey now that CP is enabled I'll actually try BGs again" - as if it was totally the no-CP holding them back all along. If BGs do switch to CP there is going to be another reality check for these players: it isn't the no-CP that is causing you to get wrecked or not be able to make your build work, it's that your used to running over players in a zerg and you can't do that in BGs. It isn't the no-CP that is "limiting your theory crafting" or w/e BS is consistently being spewed. You just aren't that good.

If CP BGs go live I wonder what the next excuse is going to be from these guys? The one positive of actually adding CP to BGs would be to see all these zerglings squirm to come up with a new excuse for why they get crushed in BGs other than the old "well my build doesn't work in no-CP" that they all pull now. As others have said, the BG population would spike at first if CP was added before all these zerglings find that they are still getting wrecked just as bad and go back to their 50 man cyrodiil groups (or their 14 man tower farm group that's "totally not a zerg man!!!11"). And then BGs will be ruined for those of us who actually like the balanced competition. Not to mention the issues it will cause those with low CP.

I implore ZOS to reconsider there position on this and at least offer up some kind of explanation for the potential change- there was no dev note or anything.

Wanna know why nobody does non cp bg? You cant negate as much damage which makes proc sets aids in bg. Its all about burst and i know i have played with the best on xbox. Stam Nb rule BG atleast until viper nerf and they are still kings of Bg period unless cp was added. Looks like devs know more than you and its a good thing they know how to phase out the nonsense that goes on in some of these forums.

Just L2P man you will be fine

bubbygink

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Wanna know why nobody does non cp bg? You cant negate as much damage which makes proc sets aids in bg. Its all about burst and i know i have played with the best on xbox. Stam Nb rule BG atleast until viper nerf and they are still kings of Bg period unless cp was added. Looks like devs know more than you and its a good thing they know how to phase out the nonsense that goes on in some of these forums.

Just L2P man you will be fine

Do you play on XBox NA? What is your gamertag. I'm sure I will have remembered playing against one of the best on XBox.

If you thing stamblades rule BGs now then you are out of your mind. On my Magblade I love coming across stamblades - by far the squishiest class to kill. Magic classes are the meta in BGs on XBox NA and if you truly were playing with the best you'd know this. Practically all the good premades carrying a magplar and mag warden and maybe a mag dk. Mag sorcs are also obviously very popular.

I'll do fine in CP BGs just like I do in no-CP BGs. I don't need to L2P. But from your posts in this thread it sounds like you struggle pretty badly in the no-CP BGs - you'll find out that you won't magically perform better with CP enabled. You aren't struggling because you "Can't negate proc set damage." I do that just fine. You're struggling because you just need to get better. If CP does get enabled you'll probably have some other excuse about how your class is underpowered or something.

Tonturri

I was looking for a reason to poke back into battlegrounds and thought I found it with the Viper changes, and now this. RIP my (almost - Healing Ward) shieldless bear-ult magden.

I've no desire to deal with the increase in troll builds or the need to grind in order to have an even playing field. Ew.

Edit: I've even started playing GW2 pvp more than ESO. Think on that O.O

Integral1900

Oh dear, bit of a controversial one me thinks

Welcome to the great pug turkey shoot

HEBREWHAMMERRR

bubbygink wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Wanna know why nobody does non cp bg? You cant negate as much damage which makes proc sets aids in bg. Its all about burst and i know i have played with the best on xbox. Stam Nb rule BG atleast until viper nerf and they are still kings of Bg period unless cp was added. Looks like devs know more than you and its a good thing they know how to phase out the nonsense that goes on in some of these forums.

Just L2P man you will be fine

Do you play on XBox NA? What is your gamertag. I'm sure I will have remembered playing against one of the best on XBox.

If you thing stamblades rule BGs now then you are out of your mind. On my Magblade I love coming across stamblades - by far the squishiest class to kill. Magic classes are the meta in BGs on XBox NA and if you truly were playing with the best you'd know this. Practically all the good premades carrying a magplar and mag warden and maybe a mag dk. Mag sorcs are also obviously very popular.

I'll do fine in CP BGs just like I do in no-CP BGs. I don't need to L2P. But from your posts in this thread it sounds like you struggle pretty badly in the no-CP BGs - you'll find out that you won't magically perform better with CP enabled. You aren't struggling because you "Can't negate proc set damage." I do that just fine. You're struggling because you just need to get better. If CP does get enabled you'll probably have some other excuse about how your class is underpowered or something.

Exactly. This is what I keep preaching over and over. I have no issues or struggles with them adding cp regarding my class, play style, etc. I will only be even better than I am now because of sustain, mitigation, damage, etc.

They aren't removing the good players thumbs.

I, along with many other strong players on this forum, can foresee the gameplay direction adding CP will take battlegrounds. Spoiler : it will be even less fun for solo play, sub max CP and premade vs premade are going to be an absolute snooze fest that I don't want to be a part of.

kargen27

Personally I think the best thing they could do for battlegrounds is make it PuG only and have each battle consist of three rounds. Each round the players are scrambled to form new teams.

bmannb16_ESO

SnubbS wrote: »

The biggest problem with ESO PvP is Damage. Damage isn't high enough in most cases—and it's most definitely not consistent enough. BGs should have a 25k health cap, and disable the use of Heavy Armor. Those two changes would really go a long way towards providing fast-paced gameplay where it's more about dealing & avoding damage, and less about absorbing/healing through damage. I'd even say nerf impen & impreg as well—maybe hardcap crit resist in BGs to 1500.

Nope, I like my fights drawn out with counter play. All this would do is empower more NB insta kills. Not what most consider fun.

Mihael

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

Malmai

Bislobo wrote: »

That will bring more people into BG's. Some people like to theorycraft builds and CP brings more depth to it, that is why i prefer CP pvp. I will definitely play more BG's next patch.

Next patch there will be no people its just another cash grab...

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

Careful, you might make too much sense for him.

Ihatenightblades

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

lmao break free cost and sprint. Please stop. If those are the things stopping you from competing you definitely need to L2P buddy.

Il teach you something about cp. the MAIN things that get buffed and makes strong impact with cp is damage and damage mitigating. Thats all. Period.

The rest is small potatoes

Mihael

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

lmao break free cost and sprint. Please stop. If those are the things stopping you from competing you definitely need to L2P buddy.

Il teach you something about cp. the MAIN things that get buffed and makes strong impact with cp is damage and damage mitigating. Thats all. Period.

The rest is small potatoes

Lol as a max cp player who plays vivec and sotha I like no cp bgs better, so no it's not stopping me from competing, but sure let's act like you didn't forget what half of the green cp tree does lol,

Also you are crying because you played no cp bgs and got rekt because you couldn't stay alive with out your cp crutch damage mitigation lol.

If you put as much effort into the game as you do at making irrelevant post that don't make sense and hiding your lack of game knowledge by saying "L2P" then maybe just maybe you would be able to appreciate no cp bgs

TequilaFire

But it takes many small potatoes to complete the stew.
I miss the days before CP.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

TequilaFire wrote: »

But it takes many small potatoes to complete the stew.
I miss the days before CP.

This man is wise. I imagine him with small, circular rimmed glasses and a lengthy beard.

Ihatenightblades

kargen27 wrote: »

Personally I think the best thing they could do for battlegrounds is make it PuG only and have each battle consist of three rounds. Each round the players are scrambled to form new teams.

Tonturri wrote: »

I was looking for a reason to poke back into battlegrounds and thought I found it with the Viper changes, and now this. RIP my (almost - Healing Ward) shieldless bear-ult magden.

I've no desire to deal with the increase in troll builds or the need to grind in order to have an even playing field. Ew.

Edit: I've even started playing GW2 pvp more than ESO. Think on that O.O

No desire to level up like the rest of us? Then get to hikin

Ihatenightblades

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

lmao break free cost and sprint. Please stop. If those are the things stopping you from competing you definitely need to L2P buddy.

Il teach you something about cp. the MAIN things that get buffed and makes strong impact with cp is damage and damage mitigating. Thats all. Period.

The rest is small potatoes

Lol as a max cp player who plays vivec and sotha I like no cp bgs better, so no it's not stopping me from competing, but sure let's act like you didn't forget what half of the green cp tree does lol,

Also you are crying because you played no cp bgs and got rekt because you couldn't stay alive with out your cp crutch damage mitigation lol.

If you put as much effort into the game as you do at making irrelevant post that don't make sense and hiding your lack of game knowledge by saying "L2P" then maybe just maybe you would be able to appreciate no cp bgs

Non cp BG is the same to me with just less damage mitigating. Every bg match i play i get atleast 8 more kills than deaths minimum. And at times i have gone 20-0 18-1 12-0 10-0 mannnnny times especially when you Q with friends that are prettty good also.

You seem to be one of the people who is scared of cp. my only guess would be because you cant kill anything in CP pvp LOL. That's usually it xD just learn to play man if you dont like CP play another game this game is for mmorpg fans not first person shooter even playing field. Go to halo or overwatch or something if you want that or stay on eso and keep getting wrekt il take the ap

Sigtric

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

lmao break free cost and sprint. Please stop. If those are the things stopping you from competing you definitely need to L2P buddy.

Il teach you something about cp. the MAIN things that get buffed and makes strong impact with cp is damage and damage mitigating. Thats all. Period.

The rest is small potatoes

Lol as a max cp player who plays vivec and sotha I like no cp bgs better, so no it's not stopping me from competing, but sure let's act like you didn't forget what half of the green cp tree does lol,

Also you are crying because you played no cp bgs and got rekt because you couldn't stay alive with out your cp crutch damage mitigation lol.

If you put as much effort into the game as you do at making irrelevant post that don't make sense and hiding your lack of game knowledge by saying "L2P" then maybe just maybe you would be able to appreciate no cp bgs

i have gone 20-0 18-1 12-0 10-0 mannnnny times

lol

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

lmao break free cost and sprint. Please stop. If those are the things stopping you from competing you definitely need to L2P buddy.

Il teach you something about cp. the MAIN things that get buffed and makes strong impact with cp is damage and damage mitigating. Thats all. Period.

The rest is small potatoes

Lol as a max cp player who plays vivec and sotha I like no cp bgs better, so no it's not stopping me from competing, but sure let's act like you didn't forget what half of the green cp tree does lol,

Also you are crying because you played no cp bgs and got rekt because you couldn't stay alive with out your cp crutch damage mitigation lol.

If you put as much effort into the game as you do at making irrelevant post that don't make sense and hiding your lack of game knowledge by saying "L2P" then maybe just maybe you would be able to appreciate no cp bgs

Non cp BG is the same to me with just less damage mitigating. Every bg match i play i get atleast 8 more kills than deaths minimum. And at times i have gone 20-0 18-1 12-0 10-0 mannnnny times especially when you Q with friends that are prettty good also.

You seem to be one of the people who is scared of cp. my only guess would be because you cant kill anything in CP pvp LOL. That's usually it xD just learn to play man if you dont like CP play another game this game is for mmorpg fans not first person shooter even playing field. Go to halo or overwatch or something if you want that or stay on eso and keep getting wrekt il take the ap

Still waiting for you to drop that gamertag....

Krayzie

I can't wait to abuse CP BGs with my tank group all running meteor front bar and resto ult backbar.

I don't even have a tank or Morrowind LOL but I'm definitely sold now.

This is gonna be so much as the kewl kids call it, "aids and cancer".

I can see it now, all 4 of us guarding stacked on eachother at flags, dominating death match.

Just the trashiest troll group ever.

and were gonna tbag

Ihatenightblades

Krayzie wrote: »

I can't wait to abuse CP BGs with my tank group all running meteor front bar and resto ult backbar.

I don't even have a tank or Morrowind LOL but I'm definitely sold now.

This is gonna be so much as the kewl kids call it, "aids and cancer".

I can see it now, all 4 of us guarding stacked on eachother at flags, dominating death match.

Just the trashiest troll group ever.

and were gonna tbag

1 tank u can get away with in bg 4 tanks u crazy your group will get diminished by any decent group out there.

Mihael

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LokoMatic wrote: »

Worst idea of all time. I have won 38 BG matches in a row with a pre-made group, this will only make things 10x worse. If you think CP can save you, then you are already lost.

Nobody wants cp to save them. We want cp because we earned them and our sets/builds are built using them because why wouldnt we make our builds with the thought of our cp in them?

95% of this game allowe CP usage get with the program buddy and L2P

I earned my CP too, but I don't want BG's to be ruined by ZOS opening the door for more aids group comps. 2 Magplars / Mag Warden's can tank 8 players in NON CP BG's. Imagine how much worse this will be with CP.

Aids was addressed last patch man if you still struggling its a L2P issue.

I play this game religiously and have yet to experience cheese by another player.

Yes i have been killed plenty times but does that mean its cheese?

1vx isnt easy and you shouldnt feel you have the power to do it at all time.

If you are talking about cheese solo builds then I strongly disagree i have bumped into some unkillable tanks but they also had 0 dmg so i cant be mad its what they do.

Viper is weak proc sets arent as strong and sustain is harder than ever.

I honestly love the current state of the game ( pvp wise )

Pve magplar and magdk need love ❤️

The point is, premade group comps are a handful to deal with in current live, nonCP. This is going to be amplified so much more if CP gets introduce in BGs. The reason we like BGs is because there is no CP. You don't just run around aimlessly spamming abilities, you have to be conscious of your resource management. You have to coordinate with your team to make target switches, time burst, etc. This takes that away. You will have way more sustain, mitigation and utility, which will slightly scale with damage but not enough when you multiply this by 4 people all running similar AIDs builds. I'm not sure what game you're playing but you keep telling Loko to l2p and I've seen the guy open world 1vX better than any player I've seen in the game on a magDK. It's not that we are concerned of the changes, we just don't want them because it ruins the enticement of battlegrounds as a whole. The competitive format that BGs offers is what makes it fun. If it goes live, whatever, it sucks but I already know my build is meant for CP and I tweaked it to be more formidable for BGs. AKA : my build will be better, but I DONT want that at all. It will discourage the lower CP from the current even playing field and turn a lot of people off when they run in to the referenced aids premades of unkillable group comps.

You know cp has nothing to do with sustain right.... i lose like 100-200 recovery max without cp. nice try tho. L2P

So let me get this straight...you're telling me that CP has nothing to do with sustain but in the same sentence telling me you lose 200 recovery without CP. This logic is mind blowing.

I guess I just need to l2p like you https://imgur.com/gallery/Yk7a8

Yes 200 max if that. Most people lose about 80-150 regen and if thats too much for you too handle then you definitely need to L2P

You do realize you get sustain from tenacity (increase resource on heavy attacks), warlord reduces cost of break free, you can reduce the cost of dodge roll, block, and sprint so no it's actually a lot more than 200 recovery that you lose with no cp, but if you knew how to play you would know this

lmao break free cost and sprint. Please stop. If those are the things stopping you from competing you definitely need to L2P buddy.

Il teach you something about cp. the MAIN things that get buffed and makes strong impact with cp is damage and damage mitigating. Thats all. Period.

The rest is small potatoes

Lol as a max cp player who plays vivec and sotha I like no cp bgs better, so no it's not stopping me from competing, but sure let's act like you didn't forget what half of the green cp tree does lol,

Also you are crying because you played no cp bgs and got rekt because you couldn't stay alive with out your cp crutch damage mitigation lol.

If you put as much effort into the game as you do at making irrelevant post that don't make sense and hiding your lack of game knowledge by saying "L2P" then maybe just maybe you would be able to appreciate no cp bgs

Non cp BG is the same to me with just less damage mitigating. Every bg match i play i get atleast 8 more kills than deaths minimum. And at times i have gone 20-0 18-1 12-0 10-0 mannnnny times especially when you Q with friends that are prettty good also.

You seem to be one of the people who is scared of cp. my only guess would be because you cant kill anything in CP pvp LOL. That's usually it xD just learn to play man if you dont like CP play another game this game is for mmorpg fans not first person shooter even playing field. Go to halo or overwatch or something if you want that or stay on eso and keep getting wrekt il take the ap

I know it's hard for some one like you to read lots of words at once but I did say I play on vivec too so stop making
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bubbygink

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Non cp BG is the same to me with just less damage mitigating. Every bg match i play i get atleast 8 more kills than deaths minimum. And at times i have gone 20-0 18-1 12-0 10-0 mannnnny times especially when you Q with friends that are prettty good also.

You seem to be one of the people who is scared of cp. my only guess would be because you cant kill anything in CP pvp LOL. That's usually it xD just learn to play man if you dont like CP play another game this game is for mmorpg fans not first person shooter even playing field. Go to halo or overwatch or something if you want that or stay on eso and keep getting wrekt il take the ap

Still waiting for you to drop that gamertag....

Lol me too. I want to see who this apparent master of BGs on XBox is that is telling all us peasants we need to L2P (even though by his own admission he can't properly mitigate proc sets in no-CP despite their strong nerfs).

Autumnhart

Why not, it was the last thing they hadn't done wrong.

Krayzie

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

I can't wait to abuse CP BGs with my tank group all running meteor front bar and resto ult backbar.

I don't even have a tank or Morrowind LOL but I'm definitely sold now.

This is gonna be so much as the kewl kids call it, "aids and cancer".

I can see it now, all 4 of us guarding stacked on eachother at flags, dominating death match.

Just the trashiest troll group ever.

and were gonna tbag

1 tank u can get away with in bg 4 tanks u crazy your group will get diminished by any decent group out there.

4 block tanks being diminished by 4 players? You ever been in PVP before? There will be CP remember?

SnubbS

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

The biggest problem with ESO PvP is Damage. Damage isn't high enough in most cases—and it's most definitely not consistent enough. BGs should have a 25k health cap, and disable the use of Heavy Armor. Those two changes would really go a long way towards providing fast-paced gameplay where it's more about dealing & avoding damage, and less about absorbing/healing through damage. I'd even say nerf impen & impreg as well—maybe hardcap crit resist in BGs to 1500.

Nope, I like my fights drawn out with counter play. All this would do is empower more NB insta kills. Not what most consider fun.

I don't even believe you—I don't believe that you like and/or want this style of play. First, it wouldn't "empower" NB insta kills any more than it would empower game wide burst and faster gameplay. BGs wouldn't be a case of "Look we brought more NBs, we win." It might be a case "We hit our combos faster/better and won."

This style of gameplay (Slow-paced) wouldn't even be that bad, I'm not objecting to it as a concept—but I just don't think it's possible in ESO. There's virtually no counterplay in this game right now—counterplay is not "Oh look I held block and blocked the attack" nor is it "I shield stacked/pounded BoL through the damage." And it's most definitely not "I've built an unkillable tank and cannot die." This game doesn't require much skill, and outside of just LoS'ing your opponent—where's the counter-play?

If you truly wanted ESO to be a Slow-paced game with counterplay, you'd be asking for Healing nerfs, and for abilities to stop being auto aimed.

In my opinion, you should have to aim and hit your abilities anyway. Especially abilities like Meteor, Leap & Dizzy Swing. Dizzy has this awkward wind-up, imagine LoSing someone, charging a DizzySwing halfway, then popping out and hitting them with it—imagine the ability to freely aim your Meteors where ever you want them to go—the same with Leap. You would begin to have a skill gap where certain people are better at hitting their abilities than others, and it would introduce counterplay—you'd have the ability to dodge without having to dodge-roll, you could literally make people miss.

I read your post though, and all I see is a 35k health reactive Templar who just wants to sit in their Rune Focus and pound Breath of Life until something happens.

bigelle.x3_ESO

As a newer player, I finally struggled through the ridiculous gear research times to craft some pvp gear and had a good time in BGs in the past few days. As a mmo PvP veteran I learned the basics quickly, going from an embarrassing 2-8 score on my first BG to a consistent 2-3 kdr now because even though I'm nowhere near as skilled as other players, the handicap from the lack of passive character stat inflation on my end with gear and CP isn't as noticeable. Now with CP added, the veterans will not only have the skill advantage, but their characters will take a lot less damage, deal considerably more damage, and have much more sustain than I can ever hope to achieve in the near future. This is a bad change.

Jawasa

I dont care if it's CP or no CP in bg's give us a proper ranking system and matchmaking.

Beardimus

Is CP enabled on this thread, cos the PvP is real!